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marked50

(1,366 posts)
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:10 PM Nov 2019

Drump's constant use of the term "Perfect"

I haven't seen anything on the subject of the use of this term that may apply beyond what we may understand and it is sort of scary.

Perfection and Perfect are terms and concepts held very strongly in the Evangelical world and in many Christian beliefs.

Simply; things that are "Perfect" are the Bible and Christ, etc.

There are a couple of links that describe this: Not that you need to read up on the subject but it may emphasize my point

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_perfection

https://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionaries/bakers-evangelical-dictionary/perfect-perfection.html

That point is---The word "Perfect" and it's frequency of use by Drump in many areas, not just the Ukraine phone call, is another one of his code words to his followers. This is truly along the cult lines and rings many evangelical (not just them) bells. He even fully capitalizes the word PERFECT to emphasize this connection. He is deliberately drawing a comparison of himself with Christ.

Something to be aware of, esp, when dealing with his cult followers.

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Drump's constant use of the term "Perfect" (Original Post) marked50 Nov 2019 OP
I think he just has a limited vocabulary. patricia92243 Nov 2019 #1
And that's a bigly word, that I can tell you SonofDonald Nov 2019 #2
He's President Chauncey Gardener, except everything Trump touches dies. TheBlackAdder Nov 2019 #39
No doubt about that but we know marked50 Nov 2019 #3
Yep, Occam's Razor. OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2019 #8
His utter lack of a functional adult vocabulary is why it was "perfect"... Moostache Nov 2019 #37
Agreed, he's just a simpleton. TwilightZone Nov 2019 #14
That was my immediate thought. Garrett78 Nov 2019 #24
yes he doesn't know many words and he's ridiculously prone to hyperbole jcgoldie Nov 2019 #28
And he suffers from perseveration: tblue37 Nov 2019 #29
Perseveration certainly ties in with Berlin Expat Nov 2019 #40
Yep--dementia is one of the conditions that can cause perseveration. nt tblue37 Nov 2019 #43
Deliberately so. maxsolomon Nov 2019 #34
the more immoral and criminal his actions...the more he uses that word. Thomas Hurt Nov 2019 #4
I think he's picking up cues from The Family lunatica Nov 2019 #5
I am aware of "The Family" and the hand-picked from God thing sort of headed me in this direction marked50 Nov 2019 #6
It's just the sort of thing he would eat right up lunatica Nov 2019 #16
Rachel Maddow had an A block about Trump's use dewsgirl Nov 2019 #7
trump's use of the word 'love' is bizarre empedocles Nov 2019 #10
Yes it is. Sometimes it seems he is just a bot, needing dewsgirl Nov 2019 #12
IMHO, "perfect" more rightly translates to "perfectly fine" DeminPennswoods Nov 2019 #9
or it was just like on the note cards they gave me. mopinko Nov 2019 #15
He's trying to brand his way out of this, as he always does. Short, easy to remember phrases are key NCLefty Nov 2019 #11
The immaculate phone call? nt Buns_of_Fire Nov 2019 #13
another speed rant azureblue Nov 2019 #17
Verbal stereotypy? Tanuki Nov 2019 #18
I think that, along with "beautiful", it's just indicative of his limited vocabulary Aristus Nov 2019 #19
That's Our President. RobinA Nov 2019 #20
Hey! Don't hate Kim Jong-un because he's beautiful! jcgoldie Nov 2019 #31
Or living in a cardboard box... 3catwoman3 Nov 2019 #32
He loves hyperbole Apollo Zeus Nov 2019 #21
He uses the word in a legal/criminality context. kentuck Nov 2019 #22
You might be right about it being a code word wnylib Nov 2019 #23
I think this is it. He does have a Mob background. MarcA Nov 2019 #27
Yep. That's how I see it. And apparently wnylib Nov 2019 #38
You may be reading too much into this. Caliman73 Nov 2019 #25
He's a perfect shithead, so there's that. Orrex Nov 2019 #26
Things that Donald Trump thinks are beautiful dalton99a Nov 2019 #30
It was a perfect call nykym Nov 2019 #33
I think he's just 100% full of shit. spanone Nov 2019 #35
When he uses the word perfect Butterflylady Nov 2019 #36
Yes, Psycho is a perfect Cha Nov 2019 #41
He only has a few words in his vocabulary. Ms. Toad Nov 2019 #42

SonofDonald

(2,050 posts)
2. And that's a bigly word, that I can tell you
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:14 PM
Nov 2019

Many people are saying it

The low information types it seems

OAITW r.2.0

(24,455 posts)
8. Yep, Occam's Razor.
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:24 PM
Nov 2019

Trump ain't no evangelical who has ever meditated on the word "perfect" wrt to Christian theology.

He used that word on his initial description of the phone call and it will remain "perfect" in all future Trump descriptions about this phone call. Phone call was perfect....easy for Trump to remember.

I've never heard anyone refer to a phone call as "perfect" . Good, encouraging, constructive, breakthrough, etc. Never, ever "perfect".

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
37. His utter lack of a functional adult vocabulary is why it was "perfect"...
Tue Nov 12, 2019, 02:44 PM
Nov 2019

He wanted to express "appropriate" or even "procedural", but then his idiot mind got stuck in a loop and thinking that "OK" was just not strong enough to defend himself, it was the only thing that came to his empty little head though...but he then got stuck in another loop of trying to think a of word better than "OK" and all he could come up with was "perfect".

I loathe him with every single fiber of my being and for his 'fans', yes I DO look down on you, I DO believe that you are idiots and inbreds and I DO NOT want you around, at all.

tblue37

(65,336 posts)
29. And he suffers from perseveration:
Tue Nov 12, 2019, 02:13 PM
Nov 2019
perseveration [per-sev?er-a´shun]

the inappropriate persistence or repetition of a thought or action after the causative stimulus has ceased or in response to different stimuli; for example, a patient answers a question correctly but incorrectly gives the same answer to succeeding questions. Perseveration is most often associated with brain lesions but is also seen in schizophrenia.


Physical brain injury, trauma or damage

Perseveration is particularly common with those who have had traumatic brain injury.
Perseveration is sometimes a feature of frontal lobe lesions, and of other conditions involving dysfunction or dysregulation within the frontal lobe. This is especially true when the lateral orbitofrontal cortex or inferior prefrontal convexity (Brodmann areas 47/12) are affected.
Perseveration is also sometimes seen as a symptom of aphasia.

Berlin Expat

(950 posts)
40. Perseveration certainly ties in with
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 06:54 AM
Nov 2019

the hypothesis that Trump may well be suffering from frontotemporal dementia.

maxsolomon

(33,310 posts)
34. Deliberately so.
Tue Nov 12, 2019, 02:19 PM
Nov 2019

At heart, he's a Patent Medicine huckster. He speaks the language of his marks; simple, punchy, repetitive.

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
4. the more immoral and criminal his actions...the more he uses that word.
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:17 PM
Nov 2019

the more he is challenged on his behavior the more he accuses others of doing the same thing, or worse because that is what he would do.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
5. I think he's picking up cues from The Family
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:18 PM
Nov 2019

Netflix has a good documentary about them. It’s not a real family, it’s a bunch of politicians who think god has made them super special. They think Trump is hand picked by god.

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
7. Rachel Maddow had an A block about Trump's use
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:23 PM
Nov 2019

Of words. It was quite interesting, he uses these keys words and then they become basically irrelevant. Such as coup and fake news.

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
12. Yes it is. Sometimes it seems he is just a bot, needing
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:34 PM
Nov 2019

Putin's programming.
No real beliefs, passions, empathy, emotions, etc. just an empty vessel there for the taking, couple that with possible pre dementia, likely amphetamine addiction, sociopathic/narcissistic personality disorder, we are in real danger.

NCLefty

(3,678 posts)
11. He's trying to brand his way out of this, as he always does. Short, easy to remember phrases are key
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:29 PM
Nov 2019

"No collusion."
"Read the transcript!"
"Perfect call!"

azureblue

(2,146 posts)
17. another speed rant
Tue Nov 12, 2019, 12:01 PM
Nov 2019

The years of snorting adderol and UK sudafed have fried his brain. He is a burnt out meth head.

Aristus

(66,319 posts)
19. I think that, along with "beautiful", it's just indicative of his limited vocabulary
Tue Nov 12, 2019, 12:18 PM
Nov 2019

and his being a huckster.

If he wasn't born into wealth, he'd be a cheap carny barking his life away on some forlorn fairground somewhere.

RobinA

(9,888 posts)
20. That's Our President.
Tue Nov 12, 2019, 12:59 PM
Nov 2019

He uses "beautiful" often and oddly. I'd love to know where he picked that usage up.

Apollo Zeus

(251 posts)
21. He loves hyperbole
Tue Nov 12, 2019, 01:12 PM
Nov 2019

"Yuge, bigly, perfect..." all of those words and would-be words. Just part of his non-stop braggadoious salesmanship.

Trump is an atheist. OTOH if Pence was using that word....

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
22. He uses the word in a legal/criminality context.
Tue Nov 12, 2019, 01:33 PM
Nov 2019

It is "perfect" if there is not enough evidence to call it a crime, in his opinion,

wnylib

(21,433 posts)
23. You might be right about it being a code word
Tue Nov 12, 2019, 01:37 PM
Nov 2019

but my take on "perfect" re the phone call is an organized crime perspective. A self incrimination actually, except that he stops short of a full explanation of why the call is perfect. A full explanation would be, in a tone of indignation, "Whadya mean it was improper? It was perfect. He (Zelensky) got my drift, ya know, and I didn't have ta say nothin' bout no quid pro quo. Nothin ta give me away. Perfect call." And to himself he wonders, "Damn, how did they figure it out just from the call when I was so careful about how I put the squeeze
on Zelinsky?"

MarcA

(2,195 posts)
27. I think this is it. He does have a Mob background.
Tue Nov 12, 2019, 02:11 PM
Nov 2019

Just like his use of "beautiful" and "wonderful". It's his expression of getting
away with something; a con, a crime.

Caliman73

(11,730 posts)
25. You may be reading too much into this.
Tue Nov 12, 2019, 02:01 PM
Nov 2019

No offense intended at all. Your post shows that you are thoughtful, but you may be giving Trump much more credit than he deserves. I seriously doubt that he would know the significance of the concept of "perfection" in the religious sense and I will give 3 reasons for my argument.

1. Trump is not religious, at all. Doesn't care for it, has never been active in religious study or practice. He wouldn't know the religious connotation of "perfection" on his own.
2. Trump is not articulate. He has a tendency to use words over and over again, even if they are not contextually accurate. He likely knows what "perfect" means in a conversational sense and he chose the word and continues to say it. Seth Meyers, the late night host was discussing this the other day. He was either given or possibly heard the word, "foisted" recently (although he says it as, "foistered&quot in discussing the Mueller investigation.
3. Trump is incurious and lacks the attention span to really understand things. If the new "anonymous" book is to be believed (though we have heard from different sources) Trump's briefings have had to be paired down from several, to three, to one, to one short item with graphic heavy explanations. So again, it wouldn't be something Trump is doing purposefully.

That is not to say that he wasn't fed the word by someone who may want it out there as code. A lot of Trump followers tend to think that he is saying things that are significant. Perhaps I am the one underestimating him, though from everything observable in the last few years, I would have to say that it is likely just that he heard the word, likes it, and has it in his repository of adjectives, like when he says, "like a dog" for everything bad.

Ms. Toad

(34,065 posts)
42. He only has a few words in his vocabulary.
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 08:43 AM
Nov 2019

He uses them over and over again - and when he gets one associated with a concept he can't shake it loose. He also randomly capitalizes words and, again, once he does this it gets stuck and repeats itself.

You're overthinking this.

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