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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFolks, this is kind of a big deal.
Not that we didn't know it, but to have it confirmed in a court of law and all.
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Shimon Prokupecz?Verified account @ShimonPro · 4m4 minutes ago
Wow we are done with direct examination!
Prosecutors essentially end with Gates telling the world that Trump was told by Stone more Wikileaks info was coming.
7:31 AM - 12 Nov 2019
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,182 posts)In other news, November is officially International Zelensky/Zelenskyy/Zelinsky Month.
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Shimon Prokupecz?Verified account @ShimonPro · 2m2 minutes ago
Heres how the the question went by Aaron Zelinsky, a former Mueller prosecutor:
After Mr Trump got off the phone with Mr Stone, what did Trump say?
Gates: He indicated more information would be coming."
7:37 AM - 12 Nov 2019
FakeNoose
(32,639 posts)Tommy_Carcetti
(43,182 posts)Leghorn21
(13,524 posts)This Gates fellow was smack in the middle of all sorts of...interesting scenarios.
Mighty glad he saw the light and flipped his on switch, WHEW
malaise
(268,993 posts)His presidency is fucked.
Get thee to the greatest page RFN!
SergeStorms
(19,201 posts)is as illegitimate as they come. Trump to prison, and the REAL president - Hillary Clinton - installed as the legitimate 45th President of the United States. NOW, PLEASE!
malaise
(268,993 posts)https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election/jimmy-carter-trump-presidency-russian-interference-investigation-robert-mueller-white-house-2020-a8979921.html
Jimmy Carter questions Trumps legitimacy, says he was put into office because the Russians interfered
Johnny2X2X
(19,066 posts)We've gotten to a place in this country where the media barely even covers something as huge as this. Trump worked with a go between for Wikileaks to leak DNC emails, this is a crime.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Seriously?
What sort of media coverage do you expect within 18 minutes?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/roger-stone-trial-to-resume-with-focus-on-trump-campaign-and-wikileaks/2019/11/12/e2e0fb0c-0309-11ea-9518-1e76abc088b6_story.html
Former top Trump official details campaigns dealings on WikiLeaks, and suggests Trump was in the know
Gates testifies he was told by Paul Manafort that Trump would be updated on disclosure of hacked Democratic emails as government rests its case.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/12/politics/roger-stone-trial-rick-gates-testimony/index.html
(CNN)A top aide to Donald Trump's 2016 campaign revealed new details in court testimony Tuesday about Trump's reaction to dumps of information from WikiLeaks at key moments in the race.
Former deputy campaign chair Rick Gates testified that he was riding in a Chevy Suburban from LaGuardia Airport in New York in mid-2016 when Trump took a late-evening phone call from his longtime associate Roger Stone, where the pair apparently discussed WikiLeaks' planned release of hacked Democratic emails.
"After Mr. Trump got off the phone with Mr. Stone, what did Mr. Trump say?" prosecutor Aaron Zelinsky asked Gates. "He indicated more information would be coming," Gates responded, in testimony at Stone's criminal trial in Washington.
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You do understand that people need to write these things, yes?
What media do you believe is "not even covering this"?
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)projected into the future, such as Muller report bombshells. Now it's all happening in realtime. Events occur and then the news cover said event. I know for fact, primetime will be all over this.
spanone
(135,831 posts)OliverQ
(3,363 posts)because it's clear Mueller had ample evidence Trump was guilty.
Botany
(70,504 posts)Yes, that was his job.
stopdiggin
(11,306 posts)Trump's statement was he "didn't recall." Unless refuted that sort of covers him on the "lying/perjury" charge. The next step up would be, was there something inherently criminal (or guilty) in the call itself?
Understand, IMO the whole campaign was a cesspool of corruption and dirty dealing .. but Mueller reported what he reported (not what I wished) .. and Mueller additionally stated that he was not impeded or shut down. So, absent further evidence ... I'm not sure where your claim of shut down or ample evidence arises.
uponit7771
(90,336 posts)stopdiggin
(11,306 posts)Are you referring to the Senate? Because otherwise you have that "sitting president" thing.
ScratchCat
(1,990 posts)The MOFOTUS perjured himself in his answers to Bob Mueller.
God damn it, he fucking lied and that is a mother fucking crime! People went to prison for lying.
neohippie
(1,142 posts)His responses were about having no recollection that is not the same thing as proving perjury.
How is anyone going to prove what was remembered by whom?
C Moon
(12,213 posts)2naSalit
(86,601 posts)Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)BigBearJohn
(11,410 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)calimary
(81,261 posts)docgee
(870 posts)KPN
(15,645 posts)other side must present "superior" proof? But that's all moot for impeachment since the Senate is the judge and jury and we know where the GOP is on this. So yeah, without "a stained dress", impeachment isn't going to happen.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)Conviction in the Senate is much less likely, as things stand now.
ancianita
(36,055 posts)all this evidence, he can still be indicted and tried in a proper court later.
His SOLE trick left is to win 2020.
KPN
(15,645 posts)There will be articles of impeachment brought to the Senate. And there is great value in that in terms of public opinion, the resultant vote in 2020, and legacy absolutely. ... I am just enormously frustrated by a self/serving rigged jury the GOP controlled Senate. They are all traitors to the Constitution and democracy in my book.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)And FOX is considered real news.
Mersky
(4,981 posts)calimary
(81,261 posts)I want that fuck, Roger Stone, put AWAY!!!!!