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guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
Tue Nov 12, 2019, 12:24 PM Nov 2019

Trump, Ukraine and Impeachment: The Inside Story of How We Got Here

From the article:

The unfolding story is in many ways a sequel to the events that led to Robert S. Mueller III’s investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election. Once again, the plot involves foreign influence in an election and is centered in the post-Soviet sphere.
Only one day before Mr. Trump spoke to Mr. Zelensky, Mr. Mueller had testified to Congress about how the Russians had tried to help elect Mr. Trump by organizing the theft and release of emails damaging to his opponent. In that case, the Russians were the pursuers who sought contacts with Mr. Trump’s campaign.

Now the president and his minions were the aggressors, seeking help with the 2020 re-election effort. They asked the Ukrainians to investigate unfounded allegations about former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr., one of Mr. Trump’s leading Democratic rivals, as well as to chase a conspiracy theory that Ukraine, not Russia, had intervened in 2016.


To read more:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/11/us/ukraine-trump.html?te=1&nl=morning-briefing&emc=edit_NN_p_20191112&section=topNews?campaign_id=9&instance_id=13794&segment_id=18715&user_id=fa8c1273ad5c8d2cec40b8db91360f10&regi_id=98233847tion=topNews
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Trump, Ukraine and Impeachment: The Inside Story of How We Got Here (Original Post) guillaumeb Nov 2019 OP
Justice is coming malaise Nov 2019 #1
There are only two narratives. guillaumeb Nov 2019 #2
The Con is a crook, a liar, a racist, a woman hater malaise Nov 2019 #3
So no conspiracy involving the cruel world against innocent Trump? guillaumeb Nov 2019 #4
LOL malaise Nov 2019 #5

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
2. There are only two narratives.
Tue Nov 12, 2019, 12:43 PM
Nov 2019

1) Trump is the victim of this conspiracy that includes many career US Government employees, and many other foreign countries, the entire Democratic Party, and the actual US media, or,

2) Trump is a crook.

Occam's razor suggests number 2.

malaise

(268,997 posts)
3. The Con is a crook, a liar, a racist, a woman hater
Tue Nov 12, 2019, 12:45 PM
Nov 2019

an uncouth scumbag, a low life and a man who believes he is above the law

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