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Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 08:20 AM Nov 2019

David Rothkopf: "the bribery case against Trump is the strongest..."






















David Rothkopf ✔ @djrothkopf

Replying to @djrothkopf

To recap, while I agree with @repadamschiff that the bribery case against Trump is the strongest because bribery is specifically mentioned in the Constitution as grounds for impeachment, there are other v. nearly equally strong counts that could be brought:

1. We know he lied under oath to Mueller
2. We know he violated both the foreign and domestic emoluments clauses of the Constitution
3. We know he violated FEC rules (per the Cohen case)
4. We know he obstructed justice many times (per Mueller)
5. We know he failed to cooperate with subpoenas from the Congress
6. We know he violated the law requiring him to turn over his taxes to the Congress

These are all clear cut cases where there are mountains of proof and where prosecution of anyone else would take place.

There are, of course, many other cases of abuses of Congress, lying, potential tax fraud, serial abuse of women, commission of human rights abuses at our border, conspiracy w/a foreign enemy to attack our elections, abuse of power, negligence or worse in the case of Puerto Rico..

and in my view, there is a Constitutional responsibility to investigate these abuses and where proof is established to make the cases for impeachment there as well. You may be able to think of and cite others. But beyond the two areas which Schiff has cited as a primary focus..

there are at least a half a dozen others that are open and shut cases of impeachable offenses. To not investigate them, to not hold the president accountable for them, is to to invite the president's assertion they were not crimes or that he has been, as he likes to put it...

"exonerated." It minimizes and reduces efforts like those of Mueller while seeming to confirm the fabricated and dishonest assertions and twisted theories of Trump, Barr, McConnell, Graham and company. Further, the message its sends to future presidents is...

...that they are indeed above the law, that the oath of office is plastic and its consideration is merely optional, particularly if you have the political protection of one house of Congress or a corrupt Attorney General. Not investigating these case therefore...

does lasting damage to our democracy. That it also reconfirms a message to foreign enemies that America's democracy is not only weak but that there a ways president's can collaborate with them to undermine it that can bring those enemies favor from corrupted US governments...

is, it should go without saying a profound danger. Indeed the failure to hold Trump and Russia truly accountable for the 2016 attack--Mueller convictions and indictments aside--already directly led to the president's belief he could do what he did in Ukraine.

Laws are not just suggestions for a free society. They must be enforced to have value. For all members of society. If one person is able to operate beyond their reach or sees them only selectively enforced then one of the most important principles on which our democracy...

was founded has been undermined and negated and we have started on the long and dangerous road back to tyranny.@RepAdamSchiff in my view is a very good man, one of the very best public servants we have in our Congress. This is not an attack on him.

Rather, it is simply to make the point that there is work to be done beyond the core case that is being made, whether it is done at the same time as that case or afterwards. And that there is a responsibility to future generations to do that work.


7:06 AM - Nov 13, 2019


Well said!
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David Rothkopf: "the bribery case against Trump is the strongest..." (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Nov 2019 OP
Rod Blagojevich is in prison for attempted bribery Buckeyeblue Nov 2019 #1
Not for nothing genxlib Nov 2019 #2
every crime by every criminal in the Exec should be tracked down Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2019 #3

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
1. Rod Blagojevich is in prison for attempted bribery
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 08:29 AM
Nov 2019

So I agree. It's a crime. People go to prison for bribery.

genxlib

(5,526 posts)
2. Not for nothing
Wed Nov 13, 2019, 08:41 AM
Nov 2019

Trump said he was considering giving him a "get out of jail free" card because he doesn't think it was fair.

And there is that other thing. Rod B is a Democrat and D's are expected to play by the rules where Repubs get a pass.

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