*****IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY HEARING THREAD 6**********

[crickets]

[Hermit-The-Prog]

1. how long will these 5 minute things go on?

[BumRushDaShow]

2. I guess until they get tired

[maxsolomon]

41. until every member has had a turn

AKA eternity.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

44. I think they're sneaking more in, off camera

[crickets]

3. Favorite line of the day so far from Kent:

(paraphrase)

Q: Do you think Yovanovitch's anti-corruption efforts upset anyone?

A: Well, any time you engage in anti-corruption policy, you are going to piss off somebody.

Wry smile at the irony from Kent, zing.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

5. i heard some laughter in the background

[lagomorph777]

159. Rachel had it done up in needlepoint and had it behind her all night last night.

[CapnSteve]

4. Stewart (R) - what a dick!

...and what are the NAZI-looking lapel pins the Rs are wearing? All it needs is a swastika; it's got the NAZI eagle above...

The round pin below is the standard Congress pin, just noticed that Stewart had something above it...

[Ilsa]

138. Stewart: there's corruption all over the world, but can

You name a vice president of a country that demanded that a country fire their prosecutor? What a straw man argument! He worded it to sound like Biden was the only corrupt politician in the world, when he isn't at all.

[Blaukraut]

6. Stewart just endorsed that presidential candidates can and should be investigated. HAHA

So there really was nothing wrong with Trump being investigated when he ran for president. Thank you!

[cstanleytech]

156. Only problem with him trying that stance in this case is it wasnt an independent investigation

due to actual evidence warranting said by law enforcement rather it was a President abusing his power to try and get a bogus investigation started.

[BumRushDaShow]

7. Kent just blew away Stewart

Stewart insisted they can hold funds for certification yet Kent said that DOD HAD already certified!

[BumRushDaShow]

8. Mike Quiqley (D-IL) up

[BumRushDaShow]

9. Elise Stefanik (R-NY) up

[CapnSteve]

11. She should be ashamed...Trumpette

[BumRushDaShow]

15. And a Lyin' Ryan groupie

That seat needs to be taken back!

[redwitch]

129. We're trying!

Stefanik is loathsome.

[madaboutharry]

12. Their argument is that since the scheme was found out

and the aid was released that it doesn't matter that Trump tried to shake down Ukraine.

That is their argument.

[NewJeffCT]

17. the aid wasn't released

until the whisteblower contacted NSC lawyers and the IG's office. And, John Bolton still had to go around people to get it released.

[ancianita]

18. EXACTLY. nt

[BumRushDaShow]

19. And every lawyer has said that this type of argument will lose every time

"Your honor - Yes I broke into the bank and blew up the safe door and grabbed the money but I dropped it while running out of the door when the cops came so I didn't really steal anything" does not get one off the hook.

[groundloop]

119. True, but that argument is only intended for the court of public opinion

All that repubs have to accomplish is to keep voters in red states from turning against repub Senators over this. If those red state voters can be placated enough so that not too many Senator seats are at risk then they've done their job.

[BumRushDaShow]

123. You'll never have the hardcore ones change

The idea is to get to the independents and others.

[crickets]

23. It's not going to work

The aid was delayed for so long that Ukraine's defenses against Russia have eroded, and people have died who might otherwise still be alive. The holdup was illegal, the reasons for the holdup were illegal, and people died.

I do think that it was made clear at the beginning of the hearing that weakening our ally against Russia was a weakening of our own national defense, but that point needs to be made again and again.

Our national security and defense was needlessly weakened by corrupt and illegal behavior at the behest of the president sworn to protect the nation. He forswore his oath to the people, full stop.

/preaching to choir

[Bettie]

10. Just listening to the Repugs

with their condescension and insistence that everyone but them is lying makes me feel stabby.

Is there a special course they take in how to be truly nasty pieces of garbage or it is a natural talent?

[CapnSteve]

13. Stabby indeed.

[bdamomma]

27. stabby

or snarky. They are very abrasive.

[Midnightwalk]

43. Slappy

[CrispyQ]

74. It makes me pissed as shit at the people I know who still support this vile party.

I will never look at people who still identify with the GOP the same again. I'm not rude, unless they are, but I don't seek them out, ever.

[Bettie]

108. Makes me feel that way too

to see relatives who are 100% all in for him, I have to interact with them occasionally, but I read a lot at family gatherings these days because I just can't with this trump-supporting crap. According to their own stated beliefs and holy book, he's the worst possible person and yet, they think he's the spokesman for their god.

Once it is no longer fashionable to display hate so blatantly, they'll try to put their masks back on. I will never forget who they have shown me they are.

[blogslut]

14. I dig Mike Quigley

that is all

[ancianita]

24. My senator! Lt. Colonel Vindmen is The Closer with eye witness evidence.

[BumRushDaShow]

16. Eric Swalwell (D-CA) up

[BumRushDaShow]

20. Swalwell is hyping Mulvaney and his "Get over it"

[bdamomma]

21. thank you crickets for the threads

[crickets]

28. Y'welcome! Just using yours as a template has made it easy.

[BumRushDaShow]

22. Swalwell talking about Drumpf tweets inisting they are "Never Trumpers"

and he asks them if they are and no they are not.

Wasn't Drumpf NOT going to "watch"?

[Squinch]

29. We shouldn't play into this, though. It makes it seem as if being a Never Trumper is a bad thing.

I would hope some Republican, during these hearings, will answer, "Does that mean would I ever vote for Trump? The answer is absolutely, I would never vote for him."

[BumRushDaShow]

35. The problem with that though

is that the GOP allows Drumpf to assign civil servants who may or may not be GOPers, to be a GOPer and not "non-partisan", and that has to be smacked down.

[Squinch]

139. But in a forum where the entire world is watching, I really think it would be worth it for

one or a couple of them to say it. And say it with disgust in their voices.

[BumRushDaShow]

142. Seems that other than Amash, who changed from R to I

was the only one to do that "publicly". The rest are cowards.

[BumRushDaShow]

25. Will Hurd (R-Texas) up

(he is not running again)

[uponit7771]

26. POW !!! Swalwell hits it out of the park !!

[TlalocW]

30. What he say? I'm watching

But I'm not the best at recognizing important plot twists.

TlalocW

[gay texan]

31. As per the GOP

It's all the black guys fault

[BumRushDaShow]

32. Joaquin Castro (D-TX) up

Extortion and Bribery right outta the gate!

[pangaia]

33. Taylor and Kent are so damn smart and honest and patriots !

And PATIENT !!!!

[DeminPennswoods]

36. Suffering fools is a prerequiste for being a diplomat

nt

[elleng]

47. yes

[Gothmog]

34. Steve Castor is a major league asshole

Link to tweet

[Mars and Minerva]

37. Is Castro grandstanding?

I don't get why he's doing this.

[BumRushDaShow]

39. He had a punchline

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212681960#post38

[BumRushDaShow]

38. Castro -

"Is attempted murder a crime?" "Is attempted robbery a crime?" "Is attempted extortion and bribery a crime?"

[shanti]

40. And Taylor said he didn't know!

His face was red too.

[BumRushDaShow]

45. It doesn't matter

In the law, ALL of those things that were "attempted" ARE crimes!

[crickets]

54. He said 'yes' to the first two and 'I don't know' to the third

I understand his desire to remain unbiased, but that was strange.

[BumRushDaShow]

58. By then he knew what Castro was trying to do

[ananda]

112. He's a Reep. Nuff said.

nt

[BumRushDaShow]

42. Ratcliff R-Douche back

[dweller]

59. and Schiff shut his assclown crap down !

your time is dwindling ...



✌🏼

[BumRushDaShow]

62. Yup

[Tiggeroshii]

46. Ratcliffe:"We shouldn't impeach a president for exercising his constitutional right?"

Kent: "I'm here as a fact witness, your constitutional obligation is to consider the evidence before you."

[backtoblue]

50. That was beautiful nt

[ChubbyStar]

57. I screamed BOOM when Kent said that!

Stupid blustering fools.

[backtoblue]

60. LOL I said Bam!

[bdamomma]

48. Rat cliffe

is a jerk. They are just so nasty. They again, are all complicit in this, repigs that is. Gasping for air aren't they.

[BumRushDaShow]

49. Schiff knocking down Ratcliff's colliquy bullshit

[bdamomma]

61. we know who

the grown ups are.

[BumRushDaShow]

51. Swalwell - cutting off the RAT and reading the rules and law

[elleng]

52. THANK Mr. Swalwell!

[BumRushDaShow]

53. Denny Heck (D-Washington) up

[helpmenow]

55. I love Schiff

[stevil]

56. Smalwell reintroducing reality and RULES

[BumRushDaShow]

63. The stinky Gymsuit is back

It seems that Nunes will be doing nothing. It'll be the Gym/Ratcliff show.

[ChubbyStar]

70. "let's check this guy Zelensky out"

Uh Gym, stop giving away your shower thoughts.

[MuseRider]

79. He is like one of those

little annoying, buzzy bugs that are too fast to step on or swat out of the sky, in your face and simply annoying without any obvious benefit.

[BumRushDaShow]

105. Give me a big enough swatter and

[rainbow4321]

64. Finally someone uses the correct word: MEMO (not transcript)!

Washington’s Heck (D) referred to the call’s released memorandum. Up til now they’ve all used “transcript”. There is no released transcript!

[crickets]

68. +1

[lagomorph777]

148. This many hours in, they've been pretending it's a transcript?

Has our side been playing along with that fiction?

[rainbow4321]

157. Apparently..I would expect it from the repukes but...

it was also repeatedly said by the Dems. Until the guy from Washington state used the *correct* word——memorandum...as in MEMO!

Hope the Dem powers-that-be will send out a *memo* to committee Dems to not feed into the “read the transcript” bullshit! Given that the hearings are live it’s a really good time to get the CORRECT wording “out there”. There is NO FUCKING RELEASED TRANSCRIPT!

[Hermit-The-Prog]

65. Ol' Jacketoff is on again

He practices being annoying, right?

[blogslut]

66. Damn, Gym

Is that your volume all the time?

[BumRushDaShow]

67. Somebody wound that Gym boy up too tight.

[Tiggeroshii]

71. Schiff's face before he called on him...

He was bracing for it...

[BumRushDaShow]

90. Schiff knows that they have no other argument so they

"pound the table" (because both the law and the facts are against them).

[Tiggeroshii]

69. Hey It's JACKETOFF JORDAN!!!

[BumRushDaShow]

72. Schiff is letting the little boy whine

[helpmenow]

73. OMG this fucking guy

[nolabear]

75. Did he just say the whistleblower worked with Jie Biden?

He freeforms so much I can’t keep up.

[Tiggeroshii]

88. Yes

Joe Biden was VP for a long time, so it makes sense for him to work with career civil service people. Which is where that meme basically started.

[Aviation Pro]

76. Go rub one out in a public shower....

...Gym.

[ChubbyStar]

101. LMAO

Thank you, I wish someone would say that to his weasel face.

[Bayard]

77. Jacketless Jordan on again

Not asking any questions, just holding forth. Now he's railing about not knowing who the whistleblower is, but that he's allied with Biden.

Good laugh from Rep Welch--I would invite the person who started this whole process to come in. Mr. tRump can sit right here in front.

[Richard D]

78. Could Jordan's voice . . .

. . . be any more annoying? I doubt it.

[ancianita]

80. I count two times Gym's LIED that Schiff knows who the Whistleblower is.

YOU WANT TREY GOWDY, GYM! HE said he started it all.

[IcyPeas]

135. and Adam Schiff just said it was false the first time they said it

false the second through fortieth time they said it will be false the last time they say it

GOOD!

[elleng]

81. THANK YOU, Mr. Welch!

[helpmenow]

82. That was simply brilliant

[nolabear]

84. That was brilliant.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

85. What did he say? I just heard the crowd laughing.

[elleng]

89. Trump invited to testify any time!

[helpmenow]

96. Jim Jordan was whining about not being able to speak to the one who started it all...

the whistleblower. Welch came up and said I would also love if the guy who started it all would come and speak..then said..trump is more than welcome to come testify.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

154. !

[budkin]

87. I missed it because NPR had to tell us who was speaking

What did he say?

[demmiblue]

99. ...

Link to tweet

[pangaia]

111. Boy, he even looks a bit like Leahy..

[uponit7771]

155. +1,

[BumRushDaShow]

83. Peter Welch (D-VT) up

and invited the one who started it all - the President - to testify!

[Aviation Pro]

93. It's a great day

A red letter day and the dawn rises.

Ride Roherrim.

[crickets]

102. That was beautiful. Made Jordan sound like a fool. (well, more of a fool) nt

[SpankMe]

86. Ohio rep Jim Jordan is doing a pretty good job...

...at being a total asshole.

[crickets]

94. Leading off with insults to our ally Ukraine was really smooth.

[backtoblue]

91. Welch!

Cant translate laughinh

[blogslut]

92. Peter Welch just did the sound bite of the day

I summarize:

"If the republicans want the person who started it all to testify, the president is welcome to come here and do so."

[Mersky]

95. +1

[Roland99]

97. Bazinga!!!

[crickets]

104. His underscoring national security goals

by supporting Ukraine was also key. YES! This was a point that dearly needed to be made.

[BumRushDaShow]

98. Stefanik dismissed.

[babylonsister]

103. Do you know why? She was there, then gone. nt

[BumRushDaShow]

107. I had just gotten a cup of coffee and she was whining about something

I think trying to do a useless point of inquiry and was cut off.

[elleng]

109. Her request, to enter an article into the record, was accepted.

[babylonsister]

127. Got it, thanks! nt

[crickets]

116. She held up the 'transcript' of Jul 25th call and began addressing Schiff.

She got as far as "you yourself mischaracterized the call, in fact, in the first open hearing... you had a parody..."

At that point Schiff interrupted with, "The gentlewoman will suspend. By unanimous consent will be happy to enter the call record into the record." He then recognized the next person to speak as she smiled smugly and put the paper away.

[BumRushDaShow]

120. I had heard the "will suspend" part as she was whining when I came back into the room

so thanks because it sounded like she was doing her own little shit show.

[crickets]

125. Oh, she was.

[babylonsister]

126. Thanks! nt

[BumRushDaShow]

100. Sean Maloney (D-NY) up

[BumRushDaShow]

106. Val Demmings (D-FL) up

Bringing up Ghouliani's smear campaign.

[BumRushDaShow]

110. Kent quoting the Hatch Act!!!

[crickets]

131. That was great. I wondered when it would come up.

I have to say again, the Democrats' questioning is so much more quietly to the point. It's a relief when the shouting, overfast talking and smarmy asides are absent.

[BumRushDaShow]

134. It's that old saying

about having "the facts" and "the law" on your side. When you have neither, you pound the table like the GOP did.

[Roland99]

113. Demings is going to be awesome!!

I see where she’s going

If a president can remove an ambassador at any time, why was there a smear campaign?

[BumRushDaShow]

114. GOPers putting bullshit opinion pieces into the record.

[crickets]

133. It was taken as an another opening for comment and as before,

Schiff shut it down by immediately putting it into the record and moving on. That little ploy isn't working out for them.

[BumRushDaShow]

136. Yup.

[BumRushDaShow]

115. Raja Krishnamoorthi (D-IL) up

[crickets]

141. I was impressed by his questioning of Taylor (a Viet Nam veteran)

when he made the point that a commanding officer could not hold up action on the battlefield, placing his troops at risk until someone provided him a personal benefit, without betraying his responsibility to the nation and the men and women under his command. He pointed out that such behavior would require disciplinary action, a court martial.

Bam.

[BumRushDaShow]

146. Yes he was good!

He took over Tammy Duckworth's seat when she moved to the Senate. He's a Princeton (undergrad)/Harvard (law) grad.

You can feel he had a good grasp of history and its impact, including within the military.

[Lonestarblue]

117. Did I hear correctly that Zelensky did not know on July phone call that aid was being held up.

How can that be correct? He had received no aid and knew it was overdue. Had he just know connected the holdup to the promise to create and announce dirt on the Bidens? I was listening on the radio, and it seemed confusing.

[BumRushDaShow]

130. The suggestion is

that he figured something was up but as a head of state, he wasn't going to voice that "publicly".

[budkin]

121. Key point: They released the aid two days after the investigation started!

SO OBVIOUS.

[klook]

122. Impertinent, but I can't resist pointing out

that I would like Amb. Taylor to record the outgoing message for my answering machine. What a voice.

More pertinent -- both he and Mr. Kent are obviously straight shooters, and both have delivered testimony today that is devastating for the Trump cult.

[BumRushDaShow]

124. Doing closing remarks - and then a reccess and will come back after that for a motion. Nunes up.

[BumRushDaShow]

128. Schiff closing statement before a brief recess.

[IcyPeas]

137. glad he repeated that he did not meet the whistleblower

false the first time they said it, false the second through fortieth time they said it will be false the last time they say it!!

[BumRushDaShow]

140. Exactly!!

[BumRushDaShow]

132. Witnesses dismissed. Will have a brief recess and will return for a Conaway (R-TX) motion.

(not sure if that will be public or what)

[BumRushDaShow]

143. They are doing a motion to table the (R) motion to bring in the Whistle Blower

The vote to table that motion prevailed and they are now adjourned.

[yellowcanine]

147. Heh. Conaway tried to debate the motion to table, which you cannot do.

And they talk about process. They don't know the process (rules).

[BumRushDaShow]

149. All to slow things down

and of course that was a FAIL.

[yellowcanine]

152. Must suck to be the fall guy to make a motion which everyone knows is going nowhere.

[BumRushDaShow]

153. They have done it every hearing

And as the minority, are out-voted every time.

[Bayard]

144. Hearing being tabled

Done for the day

[BumRushDaShow]

145. ***ADJOURNED****

Motion to bring in whistle blower was tabled.

[llmart]

150. Now we have to see how the major media outlets portray this tonight.

I'll be flipping between CBS, ABC and NBC just to see how they summarize what's happened.

[BumRushDaShow]

151. Had switched back and forth between CNN & MSNBC

Just watched a Schiff presser.

[Joe941]

158. I have one important question...

How long until tRump is removed from office? Now that Americans see him for what he is it should be asap in my opinion.