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The Blue Flower

(5,432 posts)
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 02:33 PM Nov 2019

The Ambassador just made a very good point--one I hadn't thought of

In response to "the president can remove an ambassador at any time", the question is: why was it necessary to smear her reputation? He could have replaced her without doing that.

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The Ambassador just made a very good point--one I hadn't thought of (Original Post) The Blue Flower Nov 2019 OP
Just texted someone the same thing! Satch59 Nov 2019 #1
Because Trump is a dick. TheBlackAdder Nov 2019 #5
Nah, he's just foreskin-- lastlib Nov 2019 #11
Exactly.. anyone who isn't in the cult gets smeared.. Cha Nov 2019 #22
I heard he is more like a mushroom. madinmaryland Nov 2019 #33
True, but with shithole it is bully tactic . . . Iliyah Nov 2019 #2
Because he is a pathological Malignant Narcissist maxsolomon Nov 2019 #3
Because it's his MO shanti Nov 2019 #4
It is DENVERPOPS Nov 2019 #19
he can't win unless barbtries Nov 2019 #6
To discredit the work she had done showing that Lutsenko was dirty MadLinguist Nov 2019 #7
+1000 alwaysinasnit Nov 2019 #9
Yup. A saturation barrage to soften up any defenses of attack against Bidens. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2019 #16
Thanks. Asked a related question below. I didn't Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #18
He just can't stop himself. Delmette2.0 Nov 2019 #8
because the orange asshole is a petty glib piece of shit dick swinging psychopath. nt Javaman Nov 2019 #10
Because the part he truly likes doing is trashing, smearing, lunatica Nov 2019 #12
Yep. nt Blue_true Nov 2019 #23
Because he's a freaking child. n/t mtngirl47 Nov 2019 #13
That's just who that 7 yr. old jackass in the Oval Office is. SergeStorms Nov 2019 #14
tRump felt he needed political cover. It's been a pattern. Attack before sack. Like Sessions, others Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2019 #15
Because it looked too fishy? What I missed was the nexus. Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #17
I think POS POTUS thought whoever came in after Yovanovitch would be so cowed MadLinguist Nov 2019 #25
You probably heard this already but since found out Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #30
Still the need to smear beyond the 30 day gap MadLinguist Nov 2019 #31
Agree !! Trying to cover tracks so no one would Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #32
The timing is dictated by Vlad the Lad would my guess. MadLinguist Nov 2019 #35
What's your pleasure??? Totally agree with your Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #36
Oh, they probably all hate each other by now MadLinguist Nov 2019 #38
Dingbat has previously called Rudy bugged eyed. He never Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #39
The fact is he could have replaced her without a reason. gordianot Nov 2019 #20
He's sadistic. madashelltoo Nov 2019 #21
That is the truth under it all. I_UndergroundPanther Nov 2019 #24
Plus she's a woman tulipsandroses Nov 2019 #26
Yes..he figured she was disposable.. not like Nikki Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #37
Because if you aren't for him, you are against him, and he is against you. Fragment Nov 2019 #27
Any enemy of Putin is an enemy of trump. rainin Nov 2019 #28
The question was really to all his enablers, esp those present at the hearing.Trump is just cruel... Hekate Nov 2019 #29
He assumed replacing her would raise questions, so he did what he and Republicans always do. Garrett78 Nov 2019 #34

Satch59

(1,353 posts)
1. Just texted someone the same thing!
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 02:36 PM
Nov 2019

What was the point of the smear?? I really can’t figure it out except to validate her firing?

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
2. True, but with shithole it is bully tactic . . .
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 02:38 PM
Nov 2019

Attack and most people will go quietly into the night. Basically, he dared her to speak up.

maxsolomon

(33,232 posts)
3. Because he is a pathological Malignant Narcissist
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 02:46 PM
Nov 2019

Who believes Russian disinformation.

he wouldn't enjoy it unless it was cruel.

barbtries

(28,756 posts)
6. he can't win unless
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 03:11 PM
Nov 2019

someone else is losing. the cruelty is the point.
also perhaps to send a message to the her colleagues. play or pay.

MadLinguist

(787 posts)
7. To discredit the work she had done showing that Lutsenko was dirty
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 03:12 PM
Nov 2019

Lutsenko, the former prosecutor general was Manaford's guy. It wasn't enough to pull her out. They needed to rip out any network, any belief that what she did was valid, and it needed to be demonstrated that those beliefs, and any further work in that direction were punishable.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
18. Thanks. Asked a related question below. I didn't
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 05:10 PM
Nov 2019

See the whole hearing. Did they elaborate on that? Her work that is. She struck me as so passive it was hard for me to imagine her as a threat to anyone let alone 5 thugs.

Delmette2.0

(4,157 posts)
8. He just can't stop himself.
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 03:54 PM
Nov 2019

He has to disparage anyone he doesn't like. He can't say I want someone else, thank you for your service and walk away.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
12. Because the part he truly likes doing is trashing, smearing,
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 04:17 PM
Nov 2019

slandering and mocking of his perceived enemies and critics, or anyone who doesn’t kiss his ass real hard.

SergeStorms

(19,148 posts)
14. That's just who that 7 yr. old jackass in the Oval Office is.
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 04:25 PM
Nov 2019

The biggest example of arrested development in history. He never psychologically developed past the age of 7.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
17. Because it looked too fishy? What I missed was the nexus.
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 05:05 PM
Nov 2019

What did she do or say that made the crooks think she would be an impediment? (to carry out fake investigation). If there was nothing other than they knew she had high moral standards it sounds like no matter who it was they would have been replaced. Yet the WTF is they replaced her with someone even more noble. It's an enigma

MadLinguist

(787 posts)
25. I think POS POTUS thought whoever came in after Yovanovitch would be so cowed
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 12:03 AM
Nov 2019

that they'd either get with the program, or stay out of the way. I have no more idea than you do, I'm just making guesses based on how the POS has behaved for decades -- very gangland. POS and his henchmen have no conception of what makes people with integrity tick, so their calculations and game-plans always fall apart outside of their own greed & fear driven circles.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
30. You probably heard this already but since found out
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 02:31 PM
Nov 2019

That there was a window of 30 days between Masha and Taylor! So sounds like they just wanted to be alone to set up scam?

MadLinguist

(787 posts)
31. Still the need to smear beyond the 30 day gap
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 04:06 PM
Nov 2019

is only explicable as a message of intimidation. It seems to me that is the trail Schiff and Goldman were on when they questioned Yovanovitch about the effect of the smear when she raised the why-smear question herself. I really believe this issue is going to end up supporting an article of impeachment.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
32. Agree !! Trying to cover tracks so no one would
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 04:23 PM
Nov 2019

Question...hmmm, why'd you get rid of her at the exact time you wanted a Biden investigation. So he's setting the stage that she was a bad apple and reenforcing it. Can you imagine what he's done to contractors for 40 + years. What's weird is that it's a whole year away...our election ..what was the rush?

MadLinguist

(787 posts)
35. The timing is dictated by Vlad the Lad would my guess.
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 06:39 PM
Nov 2019

From Putin's point of view, the Hunter Biden stuff is just the little sidecar riding along with the discrediting of US intelligence on GRU's hand in the last election. Directing his boy in the White House to really lean in, he had to hatch a two-fer. And Vlad would like those sanctions to have been lifted two years ago. These are my guesses, Laura. Pour me another, and I'll be convinced that we've managed to discover the truth by reverse-engineering the whole foul plot.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
36. What's your pleasure??? Totally agree with your
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 09:15 PM
Nov 2019

first sentence. So where are we now? Is Putin like super pissed at dingbat? Is dingbat totally pissed at 9-11Rudy? None of them got what they wanted, right? The idea of blaming Ukraine for election meddling is dead. Biden smear dead.

MadLinguist

(787 posts)
38. Oh, they probably all hate each other by now
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 10:01 PM
Nov 2019

Whoever's in the weakest position vis-a-vis their chain of kompromat (or 'insurance' as Rudolph calls it) has to gauge when it's time to throw the grenade. Maybe Mayor 9-11 actually knows what Putin has on POS POTUS, thus keeping himself out from under the bus. But no way is he out there on that haunted humiliating leash unless Putin has pooper scooper bag full of Rudy-poo ready to spill. And POS POTUS hates it that he does not know what the dirt on Mayor 9-11 is, and that 9-11 knows what POS POTUS's dirt is.
Hot sake would be fine.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
39. Dingbat has previously called Rudy bugged eyed. He never
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 11:07 PM
Nov 2019

took him on in his admin. But, because he was desperate, and he couldn't enlist any half way respectable council, he called Rudy back in. The flaw in that is that Rudy's gone batshit crazy. SDNY was saying "WTF..he used to be so brilliant and so admirable."

Back to the point, sorry. My guess is that Rudy knows everything. He knows what Putin has on dingbat. Rudy himself skates around the laws he knows.

gordianot

(15,232 posts)
20. The fact is he could have replaced her without a reason.
Fri Nov 15, 2019, 05:30 PM
Nov 2019

Instead Trump chose to create drama calling attention to himself and nefarious activities.

tulipsandroses

(5,122 posts)
26. Plus she's a woman
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 12:09 AM
Nov 2019

He's a misogynist. She was standing in the way of what he wanted to do. He's not going to just let a woman stand in his way and let them walk away without trying to belittle them.

 

Fragment

(68 posts)
27. Because if you aren't for him, you are against him, and he is against you.
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 12:10 AM
Nov 2019

And if he is against you, he goes for the jugular.

Hekate

(90,529 posts)
29. The question was really to all his enablers, esp those present at the hearing.Trump is just cruel...
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 04:29 AM
Nov 2019

He's mean and petty when there is no need at all. As has been said before: Trump punches down. Always eager to grind down anyone in his way and rub their nose in it.

I'm glad she said it.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
34. He assumed replacing her would raise questions, so he did what he and Republicans always do.
Sat Nov 16, 2019, 04:49 PM
Nov 2019

He said the exact opposite of the truth. He wanted people to believe replacing her was about fighting corruption when it was, in reality, about enabling corruption. Republicans know that if they repeat a lie enough, it'll take hold in the public consciousness.

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