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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums***IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY HEARING NOV 15 THREAD 5***
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crickets
(25,960 posts)OliverQ
(3,363 posts)33 years of work for this country destroyed by the most corrupt criminal in American history.
Mersky
(4,980 posts)crickets
(25,960 posts)and how it relates to national security: necessary, not for one party or the other, but for the country as a whole.
BumRushDaShow
(128,783 posts)His opening is talking all about himself.
Bettie
(16,087 posts)by bloviating about his personal history.
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)livetohike
(22,136 posts)time. Its because they have no defense or relevant questions to ask.
Mersky
(4,980 posts)Winding up with Yovanovitch asserting any ambassador serves at the pleasure of the president, but that that doesn't explain the smear campaign against her.
Am so glad she got that in there.
catbyte
(34,367 posts)Blame Obama.
shanti
(21,675 posts)crickets
(25,960 posts)nolabear
(41,959 posts)Theyre utterly avoiding the shakedown, trying to laud what he did once he got caught. Shes not falling for the bait.
BumRushDaShow
(128,783 posts)crickets
(25,960 posts)"Well, I wasn't asking about that"
No, he wasn't, but good for her for speaking up. She has every right.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,884 posts)FFS.
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)How long before we hear about Hillary's emails and Benghazi.
BumRushDaShow
(128,783 posts)Talking about Parnas making $300,000 illegal contributions to Drumpf and at parties with him... and they were the ones who started the smears.
crickets
(25,960 posts)that he is promoting that is diametrically opposed to our stated foreign policy.
Y. points out rightly that this can undercut diplomats. Important that everyone be able to speak with one voice, without involvement with financial or commercial gain. Underscores national security again. I am so glad she keeps bringing that up every chance she gets.
BumRushDaShow
(128,783 posts)is what happens with anyone who works for the government that long (I was in gov't 30+ years as well) - they get you "young" and you get ingrained with the fact that your job is "to support the mission".
gademocrat7
(10,654 posts)Richard D
(8,752 posts)bdamomma
(63,836 posts)but to smear, and not listen to the facts.
fucking stupid shit. It is not nonsense.
Why is he invoking the American People I hate repigs.
Rep. Stewart is an ass. I hate repigs.
blaze
(6,356 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,320 posts)icymist
(15,888 posts)They are airing commentary instead on a split screen that clearly shows the proceeding is still ongoing.
TwilightZone
(25,456 posts)"Irrelevant, 'cause POTUS" isn't much of an argument.
BumRushDaShow
(128,783 posts)He was whining about no collusion IGNORING that Roger Stone just got convicted for just that!
Mersky
(4,980 posts)Is what Yovanovitch has experienced. Was a good bookend to the previous point she made back to Winstrup (R).
madaboutharry
(40,203 posts)And she does it in such a polite and diplomatic way.
BumRushDaShow
(128,783 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,783 posts)The Georgetown assignment was "Not the end of a Hallmark movie but end of a really bad reality show!"
Habibi
(3,598 posts)crickets
(25,960 posts)icymist
(15,888 posts)Back to regular scheduled programs.
sheshe2
(83,728 posts)icymist
(15,888 posts)I did find that PBS is covering it. Besides, didn't CBS and NBC say that they would cover the proceedings? I'm watching it on NBC and then they interject that Todd jackass to talk over it all.
sheshe2
(83,728 posts)icymist
(15,888 posts)Even PBS is back to their regular schedule.
BumRushDaShow
(128,783 posts)those who say she should have "fought" the smear campaign against her "harder".
crickets
(25,960 posts)She was only able to ask for support from State - and she didn't get it. She should have, but didn't. Pompeo is directly responsible for that.
BumRushDaShow
(128,783 posts)Trying to read old headlines about "whistleblower" into the record.
Vinca
(50,258 posts)but there she is.
BumRushDaShow
(128,783 posts)They don't need the whistleblower.
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)elleng
(130,861 posts)She and coatless jordan are a pair.
I guess they tell trump 'nobody does it better.'
hibbing
(10,096 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,783 posts)Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)Apparently going to use her allotted time to read "previous statements from Schiff about the whistleblower."
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,320 posts)MFGsunny
(2,356 posts)How convenient.
She comes across as a certifiable Nazi-apprentice.
Mersky
(4,980 posts)Makes me woozy
BumRushDaShow
(128,783 posts)Vinca
(50,258 posts)LuckyLib
(6,819 posts)catbyte
(34,367 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,884 posts)These guys are getting weirder.
BumRushDaShow
(128,783 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,783 posts)Reading all the THREATS into the record.
crickets
(25,960 posts)elleng
(130,861 posts)padah513
(2,500 posts)Reminds me of Grayson and Weiner before their falls from grace back in the day. They gave the pugs fits.
Mersky
(4,980 posts)I'll play that on loop later. Thank you, Swalwell!
Glimmer of Hope
(5,823 posts)nolabear
(41,959 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,783 posts)Mike 03
(16,616 posts)One after another with headlines about Trump wanting to charge the WB with treason and execute him.
This is almost too well choreographed to be reality. So proud of the Democrats. They are nailing this on the surface of the moon.
crickets
(25,960 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,783 posts)Mersky
(4,980 posts)Gosh, that was excellence from Swalwell.
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)was a dire mistake because he previously lied about its contents. Nowhere in the new call does he talk about Ukrainian corruption, although he claimed he did.
WA-03 Democrat
(3,039 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,783 posts)nolabear
(41,959 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,783 posts)miyazaki
(2,239 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,783 posts)(or can stream it in this thread).
miyazaki
(2,239 posts)those fuckers.
BumRushDaShow
(128,783 posts)During Watergate, they actually rotated who would cover it each day.
crickets
(25,960 posts)Everyone should have access to the hearings.
BumRushDaShow
(128,783 posts)I think some might actually be continuing to stream it online when they return to their regular broadcast programming on TV though.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,884 posts)Looky over there.
BumRushDaShow
(128,783 posts)crickets
(25,960 posts)Wow, they all grate on my nerves. It's not just what they're saying. Everyone single one of the Republicans has a whiny, unpleasant tone. It's uncanny.
hibbing
(10,096 posts)Mersky
(4,980 posts)Doesn't really need to hold up his oath.
Doesn't really need to do what's right.
Just has hit the pedal over and over trying to turn Burisma into Benghazi.
Well, it ain't that, and it'll never be that, because more people than not in this country know that tRump tweeted the book on nepotism and corruption of the highest order.
wiggs
(7,811 posts)typically just try to confuse and muddy the issue...or....they know there's some upcoming disinformation. Forgeries, paid witnesses, fake testimony. They've done it before. Someone, somewhere will falsify testimony and revise history.
BumRushDaShow
(128,783 posts)hibbing
(10,096 posts)flamingdem
(39,313 posts)gademocrat7
(10,654 posts)Bravo, Congressman Heck.
BumRushDaShow
(128,783 posts)and bullying and threats!
nolabear
(41,959 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,783 posts)flamingdem
(39,313 posts)Heck is great!
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,884 posts)The dotard's going to need bigger Depends.
BumRushDaShow
(128,783 posts)Midnightwalk
(3,131 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,783 posts)pus.
Duppers
(28,117 posts)Rep. Denny Heck, Washington
Evergreen Emerald
(13,069 posts)Mike 03
(16,616 posts)Duppers
(28,117 posts)Hope there'll be clips soon.
crickets
(25,960 posts)That was some powerful, powerful stuff.
Duppers
(28,117 posts)He was amazing! Chills. I was applauding.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,988 posts)elleng
(130,861 posts)backtoblue
(11,343 posts)Thanks all for the updates and commentary.
Bayard
(22,048 posts)The infamous phone call where tRump told Zelensky he wanted the investigations, do we only have the transcript still that tRump released? My understanding is that it was a much longer and detailed conversation then what he released, where he mentioned Bidens several times by name.
Where is that full transcript?
klook
(12,154 posts)Its either redacted or summarized or a combination of both.
crickets
(25,960 posts)to a secure server. Whether it is still there and untampered with is a question. I don't understand why no one is hammering away at getting the entire transcript rather than the incomplete memorandum the WH released.
Duppers
(28,117 posts)"Trump impeachment inquiry: What 2,677 pages of testimony reveal about Trump's Ukraine scandal"
"It's based on a single phone call of congratulations to the President of Ukraine, which they fraudulently mischaracterized to sound absolutely horrible," Trump said a few weeks ago of his July 25 call with the Ukrainian President cited by a whistleblower complaint.
But a review of more than 2,600 pages of transcripts released this week from eight witnesses who have testified in the House impeachment inquiry over the past six weeks shows how controversy over Trump's Ukraine policy had been brewing inside the US government for months. It roiled efforts to bolster a key strategic alliance after Trump enlisted his own personal attorney to work outside normal diplomatic channels in an apparent effort to bolster his reelection chances.
The testimony details how top US officials were alarmed that Trump had outsourced Ukraine policy to his attorney, Rudy Giuliani, who had pushed top Ukraine officials to publicly announce an investigation into the Bidens and to pursue a conspiracy theory that Ukraine interfered in the 2016 elections to help Democrats. Giuliani's efforts, with support from the President, led to the ouster of America's top diplomat in Ukraine, who stood in his way, while enlisting emissaries who have since been indicted.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/09/politics/impeachment-transcript-takeaways/index.html
So, it seems as if some level of treason is provable, according to the transcript(s).
BumRushDaShow
(128,783 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,783 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,884 posts)Okay basically he's trying for another weirdass distraction.
nini
(16,672 posts)This is so ridiculous.
getagrip_already
(14,698 posts)They are trying to fluster people who have spent yheir lives parsing words and giving measured responsed....
Idiots....
elleng
(130,861 posts)C_U_L8R
(44,997 posts)Gym, Gym, Gym... go home and repent.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,783 posts)MFGsunny
(2,356 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,783 posts)and was made to look like a fool!
(I think Mueller had done something like that )
MFGsunny
(2,356 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,884 posts)How can they elect an idiot like Jordan?
BumRushDaShow
(128,783 posts)he's so wired normally that eventually his spring is going to break.
getagrip_already
(14,698 posts)Just one inbread district. They probably get aroused hearing about the sex assaults he ignored.
elleng
(130,861 posts)and not just jordan.
NEW OHIO LAW LETS STUDENTS GIVE WRONG ANSWERS ON TESTS FOR RELIGIOUS REASONS.
https://www.newsweek.com/ohio-student-religious-liberties-act-1472008
hibbing
(10,096 posts)nolabear
(41,959 posts)catbyte
(34,367 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,783 posts)crickets
(25,960 posts)so new thread 6 is live:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212690326
gademocrat7
(10,654 posts)dweller
(23,625 posts)in reference to Gym JacketOff Jorden's rambling
😑
✌🏼
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,172 posts)Also, yes, many Ukrainians didn't like Donald Trump.
His campaign manager got paid millions out of money stolen from their treasury by their hated, corrupt former President Yankovych. He also desired to be "best friends" with the man who was invading their land, and was clearly getting electoral help from him.
So, duh.
crickets
(25,960 posts)and repaid the favor with rudeness. Bad optics!
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,884 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,783 posts)Said that her being the "first" through the wall, that the first often "gets bloodied" doing that breach.
crickets
(25,960 posts)emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)defending Trump (not her job) from criticism, Welch refocuses the proceedings on Trumps corruption and its relationship to why he fired her.
Aussie105
(5,377 posts)Local media (Adelaide South Australia) are following it closely.
Local talking heads on the TV have stopped referring to 'President Trump', now using 'Donald Trump' and 'Mr Trump'.
A subtle disconnect between the Office of President and the current squatter?
crickets
(25,960 posts)Thank you for pointing that out & giving us feedback on how this is playing overseas. It's a subtle but quite meaningful signal.
Aussie105
(5,377 posts)for putting up the link.
Rest assured the rest of the world is following this closely. To put it mildly, global sanity is at stake here.
Unfortunately, I find a lot of US media too tainted, left or right leaning, bothsiderisms in action, etc, to get a clear picture.
US citizens might do well to look for Internet streams from other countries, like the UK, English versions of Al Jazeera, etc, to get a better, more comprehensive picture.
Even Russian media, to get an insight into what their population is being fed.
yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)watched most of it from my hospital bed.