About Time-Breaking on CNN: "HOUSE NOW INVESTIGATING WHETHER TRUMP LIED TO MUELLER"

[kpete]

Washington (CNN)The House of Representatives is now investigating whether President Donald Trump lied to special counsel Robert Mueller in written answers he provided in the Russia investigation, the House's general counsel said in federal court Monday.

"Did the President lie? Was the President not truthful in his responses to the Mueller investigation?" House general counsel Douglas Letter told the US Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit about why the House now needs access to grand jury material Mueller collected in his investigation.

Link to tweet

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/18/politics/house-investigating-trump-lying-to-mueller/

MORE INFO:
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/11/stone-trial-opens-with-information-indicating-donald-trump-may-have-lied-to-robert-mueller/

[dewsgirl]

1. Well duh, of course he did.

[malaise]

3. Double duh!

Rec

[Hermit-The-Prog]

4. yeah, that "whether" is a joke.

[tclambert]

55. Yeah, it should be "How many lies did he tell Mueller?" Double or triple digits?

[dewsgirl]

56. Every damned question.

[Pachamama]

2. I predict Part 2 of the 100 part physical exam for Trump will take place unexpectedly soon....

[malaise]

5. I predict that Barr will also be impeached

soon and very soon

[Pachamama]

6. I second that....

Along with Pompeo and Perry....

[usaf-vet]

43. Don't forget Gorsuch and Kavanaugh. Illegitimate SCOTUS seat holders.

Gorsuch for stealing an Obama seat with the help of Moscow Mitch.

Kavanaugh for lying to Congress during his confirmation hearings.

[crickets]

42. Oh, if only. So hopeful you are right. nt

[dewsgirl]

57. Yes, whether it was meant to distract or not. It did, so

they will use it

[empedocles]

7. 'About time', or trying to get the most effective 'time' right'?

[malaise]

9. Speaker Pelosi is playing this perfectly

Notice she invited him to come into her parlor and speak, or write in his defense.
She knows he already lied to Mueller.
Keep those boots on his neck Sister Nancy!
The Con is up shit creek without a paddle.

[Grasswire2]

8. didn't he use weasel words in his answers, though? nt

[Grasswire2]

25. He weaseled more than thirty times in the sworn answers.

So reports Jim Acosta today.

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[SergeStorms]

63. The stable genius couldn't remember?

Probably the most intelligent president ever couldn't remember in response to more than 30 questions asked by the Mueller investigation? Why......it's almost like he has something to hide!

[nature-lover]

10. The Dems should "pull a Barr" and preempt his Russia report with a summary of their own.

A day or two ahead would be perfect.

[OMGWTF]

39. Excellent Idea!!

[Pepsidog]

54. Good move.

[exboyfil]

11. Went through a mountain of lawyers

and got to ignore a bunch of questions, but he still perjured himself.

That is the Holy Grail. The one thing that GOP leadership agrees is worthy of impeachment.

[gratuitous]

15. GOP leadership agrees perjury is impeachable . . . today

Tomorrow there will be a fresh excuse about why lying under oath isn't that big a deal, everybody does it, is there even a law against lying under oath?

[Proud Liberal Dem]

16. And then

something, something Steele Dossier, OBAMA spied!, Hillary, Benghazi!

[mucifer]

30. only when the lies are about consensual sex

[jayschool2013]

38. Every day is a perjury "trap"

for Twitler and the criminals in his administration.

This is so shocking that if we hadn't had four years' warning it would seem to come from a farcical Kubrick satire.

[triron]

12. The Guardian is also reporting this.

[kpete]

18. Good Reporting ALWAYS

Lawyers for the House suggested in a previous court filing that the grand jury material from Robert Mueller’s investigation could help them determine whether Trump was truthful in his answers to the special counsel.

“Not only could those materials demonstrate the president’s motives for obstructing the special counsel’s investigation, they also could reveal that Trump was aware of his campaign’s contacts with WikiLeaks,” the lawyer’s wrote in the late September filing.

They added, “Those materials therefore have direct bearing on whether the president was untruthful, and further obstructed the special counsel’s investigation, when in providing written responses to the special counsel’s questions he denied being aware of any communications between his campaign and WikiLeaks.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2019/nov/18/trump-news-today-live-impeachment-hearings-ukraine-republicans-defense-latest-updates

[triron]

22. Thanks for posting this. I tried but got frustrated when it didn't workfor some reason.

[demosincebirth]

14. That's a no-brainer.

[StarfishSaver]

17. Sounds like they've been investigating this for a while

And are only now saying so publicly.

As many of us have been saying - just because they weren't talking about it doesn't mean the Democrats weren't on top of this.

[Neema]

19. God, and what point can everyone finally admit that he lies 100% of the time?

Why the pretense?

[calimary]

48. No kidding! I noted Dr. Sanjay Gupta on CNN enlarging upon the trump

back-peddling on a liberalized vaping measure he said he was for, until he did a 180 on it. And John King and Dr. Gupta both expressed varying degrees of surprise.

For Pete’s sake, where have they been for the past three years? Down inside a concrete isolation bunker somewhere? Asleep? They’re just realizing it’s only Lucy with the football, promising faithfully and vehemently to Charlie Brown that she’d hold it nice ‘n’ steady so he could run up and kick it. And for the 1052nd time, she yanks the football away a split-second before he reaches kicking position. And he goes down hard, flat on his back with a big SPLAT!!! Again. For the 1052nd time. Suckered AGAIN. And she chuckles “what an idiot!”

There’s also the old saw about the fox and the scorpion and the river. They both want to cross the river. The scorpion asks the fox for a ride on his back so they both can get across. Fox says “are you kidding? You’ll sting me and I’ll drown!” Scorpion says “are YOU kidding? Why on earth would I do that? I’d drown too!” So Fox thinks about it, decides that makes sense so he’ll do it. Scorpion climbs on Fox’s back and Fox starts swimming across the river. They get about halfway and guess what happens? Scorpion up ‘n’ stings Fox. And as Fox is going down, sinking toward a watery grave, he gasps “WHY’D you sting me????” Scorpion, yes, going down too, says “I’m a Scorpion. That’s what I do.”

That’s trump, too. Pompeo, for example, is in the Fox position at the moment.

trump is Lucy with the football. trump is the Scorpion. And you’d think AT LEAST BY NOW, most of the media would show that they get this. At LEAST by now! After all, this didn’t start yesterday and he wasn’t born yesterday, and they weren’t born yesterday - or so one would hope.

This has bothered me for a long time, regarding him especially. This is who and what trump is and what he’s always been: a died-in-the-wool congenital pathological liar. And cheat. And bullshit artist.

I get how news anchors as reporters want to curry favor with political and community leaders, accomplished experts, the rich ‘n’ famous, VIPs of all kinds. I get that. “Access” is the secret word - AND a near-sacred word by now, too. They can become important sources, especially in the political world. And you DON’T want to burn a source. Why? Cuz you’ll lose that all-important ACCESS.

And there’s also the objectivity thing - another cannon sacred to news people and organizations everywhere. And having been a practitioner in that world, I get that. Objectivity is the altar at which you kneel. You show any bias and you’re thus regarded as biased. Your credibility and trustworthiness as a news & information broker are frankly all you have.

But trump turns all that on its head. YES, sure, when he explodes onto the scene and becomes a candidate, and even through his first year, okay, give him the benefit of the doubt as you would to any rookie. But For Pete’s Sake, we’re in Year THREE of this White House horror show, and BY NOW, surely everything we’ve witnessed has taught us that this guy no longer deserves the benefit of the doubt. Haven’t we seen enough manifestations of his deceitful miscreant behavior to realize just exactly who and what we’re dealing with? Have we learned nothing? Everything still has to start from zero, free of context and unfettered by well-documented track record? By now, I’d vote NO.

And now, of course, we’ve got a whole willfully-biased media landscape created to slant and distort for the unsuspecting masses. But that’s a whole other story.

[NightWatcher]

20. roger stone and trump TOLD THE SAME STORY and stone was found guilty of lying...

We all know he's a liar, but this is an easy step to take.

He's toast and I hope this impeachment takes until October.

[triron]

29. Yet Trump is still POTUS. Fuck this shit!

[mucifer]

31. don't forget Michael Cohen is in prison and individual one is in the white house.

[Sunsky]

21. There goes his testimony written or otherwise to the house impeachment investigation

Like that was going to happen Anyway, it is about damn time.

[NightWatcher]

23. It's almost enough to give you a panic attack...

[Johonny]

24. Does a bear crap in the woods?

[Grammy23]

35. Does a goose go barefoot??

Is the Pope Catholic??

Is a pork chop greasy??

You tell me.

[calimary]

49. In honor of a college pal, now in the big lecture hall in the sky,

“Does the Pope shit in the woods with Catholic bears?”

[cannabis_flower]

64. Or another one I've heard

Is a bear Catholic?
Does the Pope shit in the woods?

[calimary]

66. Yep! Exactly. That provided my friend with a jumping-off point

for his own observation.

Oh those Catholic bears...

[spanone]

26. K&R...

[Newest Reality]

27. ROTFLMAO!

Did Trump lie??? Tell me another one. I know the punchline and the joke is getting a bit old.

(insert simile or metaphor here)

[BootinUp]

28. Does a bear shit in the woods? Lol

[LiberalFighter]

32. Every attorney involved should be identified.

[mopinko]

33. it's all one scandal. i'm so glad this is coming in.

tho i suspect that any obstruction of justice article would include those events staked out in the mueller report. as soon as they get their hands on the grand jury material, and the unredacted report, it had to all come back in.

esp the name of paul manafort.

[kimbutgar]

34. I'm loving the rollout of impeachable offenses every week.

Death by a thousand cuts will ultimately destroy mf45.

Bring it on Democrats!

[triron]

36. It's about far more than getting dirt on the Bidens; goes back to 2016.

[yaesu]

37. ​the fascists have built an impenetrable legal wall around their criminal empire nt

[triron]

59. The appeals court refused to hand over the GJ materials until oral arguments could be hear in Jan.,

2020. WTF!? This should be expedited! Why the stalling? Impeachment in the House may well be done
by then.

[CatWoman]

40. K; R

[panfluteman]

41. Heck - Trump Lies to Everybody! Why should Mueller be ay different?

Investigating that is almost like asking yourself if the sun rises every morning.

[calimary]

44. Gee whiz, ya THINK????

[FailureToCommunicate]

45. I seem to recall a President impeached for (just) lying. I'll have to check the google.

Kinda think it was about 20 years ago...

[NRaleighLiberal]

46. does trump shit on a golden throne? Of course he lied!

[maxsolomon]

47. I'm confused. Is the lie "I cannot recall?"

I'd always thought that was a pretty bulletproof dodge.

You can't PROVE that his janky-ass memory is functional.

[triron]

50. Chuck Rosenberg argued that I believe recently though I didn't totally buy it.

[tanyev]

51. Let me check the Magic 8 Ball.

[mahina]

52. Strike "whether". Replace with "how".

[Jarqui]

53. According to the Washington Post, Trump lied to Mueller about 14,000 times

since taking office....

I'd be shocked if they determined Trump didn't lie or did not attempt to deceive Mueller.

[warmfeet]

58. Here is a small hint,

he has lied to everyone, about everything.

If our system of government works, he will be gone soon.

If our system of law works, he will be in prison soon.

If these things do not occur, soon, well - you can figure that out for yourselves.

[Initech]

60. Easy answer: Is Trump's mouth moving?

Yes? Then he is lying. Case closed.

[Nitram]

61. it was only a matter of time.

Mueller wrote in his report that the reason they couldn't confirm collaboration with the Russians was that everybody in the know stonewalled the investigation. Exactly what saved Cheney during the Plane investigation.

[triron]

62. Rachel Maddow reported the court will hear oral argument in early Jan., 2020.

[Mc Mike]

65. Here's how it is. tRump sets out to commit some crimes,

and despite having the best memory in world history, he immediately forgets about wanting to commit the crimes.

He then tells everybody under him and around him to commit the crimes, then forgets he told them. He then remembers he told them he wants the crimes committed, and follows up with them to demand progress reports on the crimes he wants committed.

Then he immediately forgets that he followed up with demands for progress reports. Then he demands the proceeds from the crimes he wanted committed, then he immediately forgets all about it after he receives the proceeds. Then he forgets he knows all the people under him and around him who he ordered to commit the crimes. He doesn't know them at all, and can't remember even meeting them.

Then he's questioned about it, and says he has no memory of any of it. Then he remembers to check on the proceeds of the crimes to make sure they're still there. Then he swears under oath that he can't remember.