Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:55 AM
Hermit-The-Prog (19,729 posts)
***IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY HEARING NOV 19 THREAD 2***
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145 replies, 14434 views
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Author | Time | Post |
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Hermit-The-Prog | Nov 2019 | OP |
crickets | Nov 2019 | #1 | |
JHB | Nov 2019 | #2 | |
Hermit-The-Prog | Nov 2019 | #4 | |
Mersky | Nov 2019 | #8 | |
crickets | Nov 2019 | #11 | |
BumRushDaShow | Nov 2019 | #3 | |
Hermit-The-Prog | Nov 2019 | #5 | |
BumRushDaShow | Nov 2019 | #7 | |
crickets | Nov 2019 | #6 | |
BumRushDaShow | Nov 2019 | #9 | |
crickets | Nov 2019 | #61 | |
mucifer | Nov 2019 | #10 | |
Roland99 | Nov 2019 | #12 | |
chowder66 | Nov 2019 | #90 | |
Laura PourMeADrink | Nov 2019 | #125 | |
crickets | Nov 2019 | #13 | |
crickets | Nov 2019 | #14 | |
elleng | Nov 2019 | #15 | |
BumRushDaShow | Nov 2019 | #17 | |
Pacifist Patriot | Nov 2019 | #18 | |
dalton99a | Nov 2019 | #20 | |
Skinner | Nov 2019 | #16 | |
crickets | Nov 2019 | #19 | |
Pacifist Patriot | Nov 2019 | #21 | |
BumRushDaShow | Nov 2019 | #22 | |
Auggie | Nov 2019 | #23 | |
BumRushDaShow | Nov 2019 | #25 | |
Roland99 | Nov 2019 | #24 | |
dweller | Nov 2019 | #27 | |
Javaman | Nov 2019 | #30 | |
Roland99 | Nov 2019 | #39 | |
BumRushDaShow | Nov 2019 | #29 | |
crickets | Nov 2019 | #35 | |
BumRushDaShow | Nov 2019 | #37 | |
Pacifist Patriot | Nov 2019 | #32 | |
crickets | Nov 2019 | #28 | |
madaboutharry | Nov 2019 | #26 | |
Laura PourMeADrink | Nov 2019 | #31 | |
BumRushDaShow | Nov 2019 | #33 | |
Laura PourMeADrink | Nov 2019 | #40 | |
BumRushDaShow | Nov 2019 | #43 | |
Laura PourMeADrink | Nov 2019 | #73 | |
BumRushDaShow | Nov 2019 | #88 | |
Laura PourMeADrink | Nov 2019 | #110 | |
MerryBlooms | Nov 2019 | #38 | |
Pacifist Patriot | Nov 2019 | #41 | |
MerryBlooms | Nov 2019 | #46 | |
tazkcmo | Nov 2019 | #111 | |
MerryBlooms | Nov 2019 | #133 | |
H2O Man | Nov 2019 | #34 | |
elleng | Nov 2019 | #36 | |
Laura PourMeADrink | Nov 2019 | #42 | |
Karma13612 | Nov 2019 | #142 | |
H2O Man | Nov 2019 | #143 | |
BumRushDaShow | Nov 2019 | #44 | |
Roland99 | Nov 2019 | #45 | |
Happy Hoosier | Nov 2019 | #48 | |
BumRushDaShow | Nov 2019 | #47 | |
blaze | Nov 2019 | #49 | |
MerryBlooms | Nov 2019 | #56 | |
hibbing | Nov 2019 | #50 | |
crickets | Nov 2019 | #51 | |
klook | Nov 2019 | #138 | |
BumRushDaShow | Nov 2019 | #52 | |
Botany | Nov 2019 | #53 | |
sheshe2 | Nov 2019 | #54 | |
crickets | Nov 2019 | #58 | |
onecaliberal | Nov 2019 | #55 | |
spanone | Nov 2019 | #57 | |
Hermit-The-Prog | Nov 2019 | #63 | |
crickets | Nov 2019 | #69 | |
underthematrix | Nov 2019 | #59 | |
BumRushDaShow | Nov 2019 | #60 | |
malaise | Nov 2019 | #68 | |
MFGsunny | Nov 2019 | #139 | |
malaise | Nov 2019 | #145 | |
hibbing | Nov 2019 | #62 | |
elleng | Nov 2019 | #64 | |
BumRushDaShow | Nov 2019 | #65 | |
calimary | Nov 2019 | #100 | |
Laura PourMeADrink | Nov 2019 | #131 | |
JohnnyLib2 | Nov 2019 | #66 | |
mucifer | Nov 2019 | #67 | |
BumRushDaShow | Nov 2019 | #70 | |
BumRushDaShow | Nov 2019 | #71 | |
Botany | Nov 2019 | #72 | |
Hermit-The-Prog | Nov 2019 | #74 | |
BumRushDaShow | Nov 2019 | #75 | |
madaboutharry | Nov 2019 | #76 | |
Kali | Nov 2019 | #84 | |
BumRushDaShow | Nov 2019 | #91 | |
catbyte | Nov 2019 | #77 | |
BumRushDaShow | Nov 2019 | #78 | |
Gidney N Cloyd | Nov 2019 | #79 | |
calimary | Nov 2019 | #102 | |
Bayard | Nov 2019 | #80 | |
Mersky | Nov 2019 | #81 | |
crickets | Nov 2019 | #87 | |
catbyte | Nov 2019 | #82 | |
polichick | Nov 2019 | #83 | |
calimary | Nov 2019 | #103 | |
polichick | Nov 2019 | #140 | |
Glimmer of Hope | Nov 2019 | #85 | |
Roland99 | Nov 2019 | #86 | |
pangaia | Nov 2019 | #95 | |
Roland99 | Nov 2019 | #112 | |
crickets | Nov 2019 | #89 | |
ancianita | Nov 2019 | #122 | |
madaboutharry | Nov 2019 | #92 | |
gademocrat7 | Nov 2019 | #96 | |
BumRushDaShow | Nov 2019 | #93 | |
demmiblue | Nov 2019 | #94 | |
BumRushDaShow | Nov 2019 | #97 | |
pangaia | Nov 2019 | #98 | |
Imperialism Inc. | Nov 2019 | #99 | |
spooky3 | Nov 2019 | #115 | |
Sunsky | Nov 2019 | #130 | |
Whiskeytide | Nov 2019 | #144 | |
BumRushDaShow | Nov 2019 | #101 | |
crickets | Nov 2019 | #109 | |
Roland99 | Nov 2019 | #116 | |
BumRushDaShow | Nov 2019 | #104 | |
BumRushDaShow | Nov 2019 | #105 | |
BumRushDaShow | Nov 2019 | #106 | |
kentuck | Nov 2019 | #107 | |
crickets | Nov 2019 | #113 | |
BumRushDaShow | Nov 2019 | #108 | |
BumRushDaShow | Nov 2019 | #114 | |
Roland99 | Nov 2019 | #118 | |
BumRushDaShow | Nov 2019 | #121 | |
Politicub | Nov 2019 | #126 | |
Beringia | Nov 2019 | #117 | |
spooky3 | Nov 2019 | #120 | |
Beringia | Nov 2019 | #132 | |
Karma13612 | Nov 2019 | #123 | |
Beringia | Nov 2019 | #129 | |
BumRushDaShow | Nov 2019 | #119 | |
Mersky | Nov 2019 | #127 | |
BumRushDaShow | Nov 2019 | #136 | |
Mersky | Nov 2019 | #137 | |
crickets | Nov 2019 | #128 | |
Mersky | Nov 2019 | #134 | |
spooky3 | Nov 2019 | #141 | |
IcyPeas | Nov 2019 | #135 | |
BumRushDaShow | Nov 2019 | #124 |
Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:00 AM
crickets (20,855 posts)
1. bringing last comment over from other thread
Question: why would OMB review funds to see if they
were in line w/policy after the funds were already voted upon and released by Congress? Is that normal? eta answer received https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212702820#post125 |
Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:00 AM
JHB (35,067 posts)
2. Obligatory
Response to JHB (Reply #2)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:02 AM
Hermit-The-Prog (19,729 posts)
4. love Ann Telnaes
Response to JHB (Reply #2)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:05 AM
Mersky (4,849 posts)
8. Love her work.
Totally is, omg:
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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:01 AM
BumRushDaShow (96,386 posts)
3. Schiff now handing off to Dan Goldman (Commitee Majority counsel)
Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #3)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:03 AM
Hermit-The-Prog (19,729 posts)
5. glad we have Goldman on our side, not Castor
Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #5)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:04 AM
BumRushDaShow (96,386 posts)
7. Ain't that the damn truth!
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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:03 AM
crickets (20,855 posts)
6. Thank goodness for good people like Vindman
who are paying attention, and who speak up when something goes wrong. You can tell how difficult this is for Vindman, but he is a man of integrity who did the right thing. Bringing up military culture, understanding of orders, knowing about power disparity between Zelensky and Trump and how that put Z. over a barrel when asked to do a favor in order to get the money.
Vindman is doing a great job, then and now. |
Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:05 AM
BumRushDaShow (96,386 posts)
9. HERE ARE SOME STREAMS
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #9)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:39 AM
crickets (20,855 posts)
61. Thank you for the thread and links, BumRushDaShow! nt
Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:05 AM
mucifer (21,055 posts)
10. Was this part of the talking points?
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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:08 AM
Roland99 (52,693 posts)
12. Anyone else thinking that the movie version of this will have Kim Raver as Ms Williams?
Response to Roland99 (Reply #12)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:51 AM
chowder66 (6,838 posts)
90. Good call! nt
Response to Roland99 (Reply #12)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:16 PM
Laura PourMeADrink (38,353 posts)
125. Why? Does she move he mouth in a funny distracting way too?
Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:10 AM
crickets (20,855 posts)
13. Vindman's job is to coordinate US policy to make sure it is cohesive and coherent,
including providing talking points for the call. Trump ignored the talking points Vindman provided, talking instead about:
wants a favor Crowdstrike server, you have it No credible evidence to show Ukraine meddled in 2016 election, that is VPutin's conspiracy theory & Russia was the one who actually interfered. |
Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:11 AM
crickets (20,855 posts)
14. Now covering the points that there is no credible evidence against Joe Biden. nt
Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:11 AM
elleng (115,684 posts)
15. 'I speak Russian, Ukrainian, and a little bit of English!!!'
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Response to elleng (Reply #15)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:14 AM
BumRushDaShow (96,386 posts)
17. He's a riot
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Response to elleng (Reply #15)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:14 AM
Pacifist Patriot (24,033 posts)
18. That was a great moment!
Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:12 AM
Skinner (63,645 posts)
16. I'm finding Vindman to be a very compelling witness. (nt)
Response to Skinner (Reply #16)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:15 AM
crickets (20,855 posts)
19. Agreed. A lot of it comes from his obvious high level of competence, eh? nt
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Response to Skinner (Reply #16)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:16 AM
Pacifist Patriot (24,033 posts)
21. Me too. Of course he'll be crucified by some (gee who would that be)
for not being more charismatic and entertaining. He's clearly not a comfortable public speaker, but I think that adds to his credibility. I'd sure be nervous as hell in his seat.
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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:18 AM
BumRushDaShow (96,386 posts)
22. Lordy be there are tapes!
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #22)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:19 AM
Auggie (28,547 posts)
23. Game changer?
Response to Auggie (Reply #23)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:21 AM
BumRushDaShow (96,386 posts)
25. Well the subpoenas have asked for anything they had
and of course all they got was a truncated "transcript" of a call...
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #22)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:20 AM
Roland99 (52,693 posts)
24. Odds they still exist??
I think I have better odds of being hit by a meteor while I'm wearing a pink tutu and reciting War and Peace in its in entirety...backwards.
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Response to Roland99 (Reply #24)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:22 AM
dweller (20,500 posts)
27. how do you wear a tutu .. backwards?
n/t
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Response to dweller (Reply #27)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:23 AM
Javaman (59,422 posts)
30. very carefully. ;) LOL nt
Response to Roland99 (Reply #24)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:22 AM
BumRushDaShow (96,386 posts)
29. Well if they are "gone"
that is just plain old "destruction of government property" and a violation of the "Presidential Records Act" (PRA).
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #29)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:25 AM
crickets (20,855 posts)
35. This time there is no adorable Rose Mary Woods to cook up a reason for it, either. nt
Response to crickets (Reply #35)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:27 AM
BumRushDaShow (96,386 posts)
37. With phone calls
there's always the other party's recordings (and anyone else who might have been listening from the other side).
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Response to Roland99 (Reply #24)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:24 AM
Pacifist Patriot (24,033 posts)
32. Hard to say in this day and age.
It may not be as easy as lighting a match to one of these.
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #22)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:22 AM
crickets (20,855 posts)
28. Doin' the Nixon dance!!
Everybody, both arms up in the air throwing peace signs! Shake your head and say it: "I am not a crook!"
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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:21 AM
madaboutharry (37,967 posts)
26. Lt. Col Vindman is a totally credible witness.
He is just giving the facts and holding the line at speculation.
This is exactly what he should do. The republicans are going to find it mighty difficult to portray him as a partisan. |
Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:23 AM
Laura PourMeADrink (38,353 posts)
31. Schiff seems to be skipping around too much. IMHO
Not sure why he wouldn't follow a logical time line of events. Maybe just a linear thinker but sure there are others like me out there.
Sometimes people know so much they forget that others dont |
Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #31)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:25 AM
BumRushDaShow (96,386 posts)
33. The lawyer is doing the questioning (has been for awhile now)
Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #33)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:29 AM
Laura PourMeADrink (38,353 posts)
40. Yes, sorry behind. Atty much better
Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #40)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:31 AM
BumRushDaShow (96,386 posts)
43. Well one thing that makes this tricky is the 2 different witnesses testifying together
but who were part of different calls/situations.
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #43)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:45 AM
Laura PourMeADrink (38,353 posts)
73. Agree. Hmmm still getting feeling general public
Might not be following all this...just because it's not being set up like a logical story for them to follow.
Has nothing to do with us, who know a lot ...just putting yourself in the eyes of people who don't. |
Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #73)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:49 AM
BumRushDaShow (96,386 posts)
88. I think the story came last week
For this week, these are actually the "first hand" accounts (the "weeds" ) of that story, which would be more useful for the committee than for the public. I.e., these are "fact witnesses" with first hand knowledge who are corroborating the story.
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #88)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:08 PM
Laura PourMeADrink (38,353 posts)
110. Yes. Seeing everything through the lens of 'we have
to get rid of the monster ' and want us to reach as many voters as possible is all.
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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #31)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:27 AM
MerryBlooms (10,672 posts)
38. The opening script on both sides
welcomed the witnesses, but I noticed the usual 'Thank you for your service', was omitted on both sides and also Goldman. Wondering why... Maybe I missed it.
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Response to MerryBlooms (Reply #38)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:31 AM
Pacifist Patriot (24,033 posts)
41. I think you may have missed that. I'm pretty sure I heard it from Schiff.
Not sure about Nunes. I tend to zone out when he starts mooing.
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Response to Pacifist Patriot (Reply #41)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:34 AM
MerryBlooms (10,672 posts)
46. Okay, that's good. Thanking Vindman for his service is important optics, plus
it's just the right thing to do.
Thanks for the info. |
Response to MerryBlooms (Reply #38)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:10 PM
tazkcmo (6,986 posts)
111. Chairman shift acknowledge
That the lieutenant colonel spilled blood for this country and acknowledged our debt to him as a country
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Response to tazkcmo (Reply #111)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:20 PM
MerryBlooms (10,672 posts)
133. Yes, thanks.
Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:25 AM
H2O Man (67,621 posts)
34. I find Dan Goldman
very impressive. I have enjoyed watching him on CNN and MSNBC in the past, of course. But his service in these hearings is outstanding.
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Response to H2O Man (Reply #34)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:31 AM
Laura PourMeADrink (38,353 posts)
42. Yes, he sets up question and is not monotone. Still
Like our Lewandowski atty
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Response to H2O Man (Reply #34)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 01:39 PM
Karma13612 (3,647 posts)
142. Would he be called to
Assist in the Judiciary committee alongside Nadler?
I sort of hope he does because I find Nadler gets flustered sometimes, and it makes him look ineffective. |
Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:32 AM
BumRushDaShow (96,386 posts)
44. Daniel Goldman has concluded and MOO MOO is up with Castor oil
Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:33 AM
Roland99 (52,693 posts)
45. The next 45 minutes is going to be one, long series of cow pies
Response to Roland99 (Reply #45)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:34 AM
Happy Hoosier (4,186 posts)
48. Yeah, I cannot listen to Nunes. Fuck him. NT
Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:34 AM
BumRushDaShow (96,386 posts)
47. MOO MOO doing the CT
and not getting any help from Williams.
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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:34 AM
blaze (4,900 posts)
49. Just throwing out false talking points...
Response to blaze (Reply #49)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:37 AM
MerryBlooms (10,672 posts)
56. It's all they've got, because there is NO defense for the shit the WH has pulled.
Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:34 AM
hibbing (9,117 posts)
50. Burisma, Hunter Biden, Chalupa, Hunter Biden, Hunter Biden....on and on gawd n/t
Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:35 AM
crickets (20,855 posts)
51. For anyone unable to watch this,
Wonkette really is doing a good job on liveblog. It's irreverent, but comprehensive:
https://www.wonkette.com/lets-watch-republicans-sh-t-on-a-guy-with-a-purple-heart-impeachment-liveblog-day-three |
Response to crickets (Reply #51)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:36 PM
klook (10,960 posts)
138. So excellent.
NUNES: I am going to ask Vindman the same questions, none of which make sense to anybody who doesn't huff paint off Sean Hannity's sexxx nipples.
VINDMAN: I have zero idea what the fuck any of you are talking about. 10:38: NUNES: In conclusion, I am going to say a bunch of weirdo shit about RUSSIA COLLUSION HOAX and stuff, and I am not going to SAY you are leakers, but I am going to kind of imply it? Anyway, Jennifer Williams, you are the leaker. WILLIAMS: I am not the leaker. ![]() ![]() |
Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:36 AM
BumRushDaShow (96,386 posts)
52. MOO MOO asking same questions to Vindman
and he is not helping him either.
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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:36 AM
Botany (63,840 posts)
53. Devin!
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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:37 AM
sheshe2 (76,148 posts)
54. Moo:
Hunter Biden. Hunter Biden. Hunter Biden!!!
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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #54)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:38 AM
crickets (20,855 posts)
58. That's why he's on myooooote right now.
Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:37 AM
onecaliberal (24,347 posts)
55. I can't listen to this steaming pile of crap.
Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:38 AM
spanone (130,711 posts)
57. Nunes goes down the route of debunked Biden bullshit
Response to spanone (Reply #57)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:39 AM
Hermit-The-Prog (19,729 posts)
63. it's all they got
Response to spanone (Reply #57)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:42 AM
crickets (20,855 posts)
69. He's trying to make it sound like Hunter Biden was getting paid off
in some nefarious fashion rather than being paid salary for being on Burisma board.
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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:38 AM
underthematrix (5,686 posts)
59. Got a 45 minute break while Nunes does his fake conspiracy show
Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:38 AM
BumRushDaShow (96,386 posts)
60. MOO MOO calling stuff reported in the press was "classified"
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #60)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:41 AM
malaise (244,613 posts)
68. What I find amusing is that ReTHUGs are not interested in
whether their president committed bribery and extortion. He only wants to know how this became public
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Response to malaise (Reply #68)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:40 PM
MFGsunny (2,355 posts)
139. Eggs-actly THIS! n/t
Response to MFGsunny (Reply #139)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 04:20 PM
malaise (244,613 posts)
145. They have nothing
They cannot argue against the facts
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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:39 AM
hibbing (9,117 posts)
62. Russian Collusion Hoax
God, Nunes is an absolute....I don't even know what to say.
P.S. When was Hunter Biden elected president? Peace |
Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:40 AM
elleng (115,684 posts)
64. Hang it up, nooones.
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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:40 AM
BumRushDaShow (96,386 posts)
65. MOO MOO trying to find "leaks"
despite the fact that the President released their "transcript" (in quotes) of the July 25th call TO THE MEDIA!
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #65)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:59 AM
calimary (68,541 posts)
100. Devin MOOnes.
Response to calimary (Reply #100)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:20 PM
Laura PourMeADrink (38,353 posts)
131. Like how he didn't include fox when he listed all the news outlets !
Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:41 AM
JohnnyLib2 (11,168 posts)
66. Have you stopped beating your dog?
He may get to that yet. |
Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:41 AM
mucifer (21,055 posts)
67. I can only handle nunes with Stephanie Miller live commentary:
Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:42 AM
BumRushDaShow (96,386 posts)
70. MOO MOO just f'd up
forgetting that Williams is on TuPence's staff - trying to determine if she had accessed someone else's computer and/or talked to someone outside of the NSC (she's not on the NSC).
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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:43 AM
BumRushDaShow (96,386 posts)
71. Schiff is cutting off MOO MOO regarding the whistleblower outing.
Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:43 AM
Botany (63,840 posts)
72. Williams, "Just to clarify that I was in the office of the Vice President not the NSC."
Devin!
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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:45 AM
Hermit-The-Prog (19,729 posts)
74. Cowpile Nunes is despiccable
Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:45 AM
BumRushDaShow (96,386 posts)
75. Vindman invoking his lawyer's demand not to invoke names of intelligence.
Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:45 AM
madaboutharry (37,967 posts)
76. Lt. Col. Vindman just corrected Nunes and reminded
him to address him as "Lt. Col."
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Response to madaboutharry (Reply #76)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:48 AM
Kali (53,120 posts)
84. heehee
that was good
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Response to madaboutharry (Reply #76)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:52 AM
BumRushDaShow (96,386 posts)
91. I thought that is what he did
(and he was huffy about it too!
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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:45 AM
catbyte (28,766 posts)
77. Mooman should turn this over to Castor. He's NOT doing a good job.
Full disclosure: I can't listen to mooman, so I have closed captioning on so I might be missing nuance, but he's embarrassing himself, his district, and America. As usual.
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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:46 AM
BumRushDaShow (96,386 posts)
78. MOO MOO's cowpies cut off at the pass. Now Castor Oil is up.
Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:47 AM
Gidney N Cloyd (18,382 posts)
79. Get Off The Whistleblower Crap, Moo-nes!
Response to Gidney N Cloyd (Reply #79)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:00 PM
calimary (68,541 posts)
102. Indeed!
Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:47 AM
Bayard (14,894 posts)
80. Why is Nunez asking about if the witnesses talked to the press?
Schiff just broke in to warn--don't use your time to try to out the Whisteblower. Nunez: Whine, whine, whine.
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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:47 AM
Mersky (4,849 posts)
81. Schiff: "These proceedings will not be used to out the whistleblower."
Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:47 AM
catbyte (28,766 posts)
82. Again, if hearsay is worthless, why insist on deposing the whistleblower for any reason other than
retribution and witness intimidation?
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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:47 AM
polichick (37,151 posts)
83. Can't wait for Justice to arrive at Nunes' door.
Response to polichick (Reply #83)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:01 PM
calimary (68,541 posts)
103. It sure is taking a long time.
Response to calimary (Reply #103)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:42 PM
polichick (37,151 posts)
140. Hopefully getting all its Russian ducks in a row.
Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:48 AM
Glimmer of Hope (5,823 posts)
85. What difference does it make! The WB identity just doesn't matter. Idiot.
Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:48 AM
Roland99 (52,693 posts)
86. Castor is being VERY disingenuous and VERY condescending and dismissive
is this guy on the bar?
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Response to Roland99 (Reply #86)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:54 AM
pangaia (24,324 posts)
95. He is ON the bar but sure as hell not a member...
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Response to pangaia (Reply #95)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:10 PM
Roland99 (52,693 posts)
112. he probably wants to be on Barr....
Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:51 AM
crickets (20,855 posts)
89. Vindman's counsel *schools* Nunes on asking questions re WB
Points out his client is following the rules. Correct implication being Nunes is not. Burn.
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Response to crickets (Reply #89)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:14 PM
ancianita (26,544 posts)
122. Indeed. He was very good. More than clear.
Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:52 AM
madaboutharry (37,967 posts)
92. Castor doing an Eddie Haskel imitation.
He is a very bad actor.
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Response to madaboutharry (Reply #92)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:54 AM
gademocrat7 (9,227 posts)
96. Castor is indeed a very bad actor
And he is not a competent attorney.
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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:52 AM
BumRushDaShow (96,386 posts)
93. Castor working over Williams about why wasn't TuPence notified about the Zelensky's concerns
Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:53 AM
demmiblue (33,566 posts)
94. VINDMAN: "Ranking member, it's Lieutenant Colonel Vindman, please."
Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:56 AM
BumRushDaShow (96,386 posts)
97. All Castor is asking about are the corrupt Ukrainians that Drumpf has embraced
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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:57 AM
pangaia (24,324 posts)
98. Mr. Counsel,Esq. is like a TV actor....
I have only been a jury in 2 trials in my life. Both serious cases. Two of the lawyers were clearly highly skilled. The other two just stupid self-impressed shits... It was so obvious, that it was difficult sometimes not to break out in laughter. |
Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 11:59 AM
Imperialism Inc. (2,474 posts)
99. I'm several minutes behind live , but that whistleblower exchange was strange.
It looked kind of bad. He doesn't know who the whistleblower is but won't give a name because it would out the whstleblower. That seems weird. Explain it to me.
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Response to Imperialism Inc. (Reply #99)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:11 PM
spooky3 (29,538 posts)
115. Nunes wanted him to name the specific agency where
the wber worked. Lt Col knew that but didn’t want to reveal it and his lawyer and Schiff stepped in.
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Response to Imperialism Inc. (Reply #99)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:19 PM
Sunsky (1,721 posts)
130. Not weird at all
He doesn't personally know who blew the whistle but he may have spoken to the whistleblower. Example, he spoke with persons ABCDE. Person C is the whistleblower but he doesn't know that, however if he or anyone who was a part of the call starts naming who they spoke with, the repugs or he MSM would try to interview all those names given and by process of elimination, the whistleblower's identity could be revealed. He may not even have spoken to the whistleblower. However, naming names sets a bad precedent and can lead to the revelation of the whistleblower, because someone who knew about that call told the whistleblower.
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Response to Imperialism Inc. (Reply #99)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 01:50 PM
Whiskeytide (3,810 posts)
144. I think what it may mean is that ...
... Vindman doesn’t officially know who the whistleblower is, but he reported what he knew to people in the IC, and one of them may well have been the WB. If he lists who he spoke to, it would at least narrow the set of candidates. If he only spoke to one person, then that person probably IS the WB - but Vindman can’t really know that for certain, and has been advised not to put that information.
IOW, Vindman probably knows who the WB is, but it’s based on circumstantial suspicions, not direct knowledge. |
Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:00 PM
BumRushDaShow (96,386 posts)
101. Now discussing the VP trip planning process that got cancelled.
Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #101)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:07 PM
crickets (20,855 posts)
109. This is long and rambling and pointless. Is Castor just running the clock? nt
Response to crickets (Reply #109)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:12 PM
Roland99 (52,693 posts)
116. Indubitably
Completely pointless.
Meant to make viewers tune out? I mean...this has ZERO evidentiary purpose for EITHER side! |
Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:02 PM
BumRushDaShow (96,386 posts)
104. Ha!
She refused to play the motivation game. CYA.
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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:04 PM
BumRushDaShow (96,386 posts)
105. Discussing Bolton
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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:05 PM
BumRushDaShow (96,386 posts)
106. Now talking about Ghouliani - Vindman following both U.S. & Ukrainian press
Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:07 PM
kentuck (105,272 posts)
107. The Counsel for Repubs is talking about everything and everybody except Trump?
No mention of Trump's intentions towards Ukraine or for his own political purposes?
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Response to kentuck (Reply #107)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:10 PM
crickets (20,855 posts)
113. Shhh. Never question the intentions and motives of Fearless Leader. nt
Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:07 PM
BumRushDaShow (96,386 posts)
108. Castor don't like his answer about "3 elements"
Biden, Burisma, 2016 election!
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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:11 PM
BumRushDaShow (96,386 posts)
114. Vindman was offered "Defense Minister" position in Ukraine "3 times"
and he said he reported these offers to his chain of command.
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #114)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:12 PM
Roland99 (52,693 posts)
118. He's as clean-cut as they come!
Response to Roland99 (Reply #118)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:13 PM
BumRushDaShow (96,386 posts)
121. The counsel is trying to suggest that he may not be loyal to the U.S.
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #114)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:18 PM
Politicub (12,052 posts)
126. I had no idea that Americans are routinely asked to
take leadership roles in foreign governments.
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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:12 PM
Beringia (4,241 posts)
117. Where is Jim Jordan
Response to Beringia (Reply #117)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:13 PM
spooky3 (29,538 posts)
120. The rest of the clowns get their five minutes later today. Nt
Response to Beringia (Reply #117)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:15 PM
Karma13612 (3,647 posts)
123. He'll get to speak when they
Go to the 5 minute block portion of the hearing.
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Response to Karma13612 (Reply #123)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:19 PM
Beringia (4,241 posts)
129. Thanks, because he normally sits next to Castor
Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:13 PM
BumRushDaShow (96,386 posts)
119. Castor Oil trying to impugn the witness regarding these "offers"
of "Defense Minister".
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #119)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:19 PM
Mersky (4,849 posts)
127. And two other embassy staff were present for at least one of these
David Holmes and Keith Bean.
Vindman called the suggestion comical, knew of a an Air Force member taking another high rank position in another young democracy, but that he, Vindman, is American,...and never took the offers seriously. Vindman is coming across as down to earth, sincere, and candid. |
Response to Mersky (Reply #127)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:26 PM
BumRushDaShow (96,386 posts)
136. He knew what they were trying to suggest
and he just introduced another person to the mix (although he initially hesitated and looked at his lawyer before uttering Bean's name).
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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #136)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:30 PM
Mersky (4,849 posts)
137. Yep, but by golly, he pulled that name on the spot
And provided corroborating witnesses to dash castor’s insinuations!
Vindman is sharp, and knows he witnessed wrong doing. |
Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #119)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:19 PM
crickets (20,855 posts)
128. I loved his response.
"I'm an American. I came here when I was a toddler, and I immediately dismissed these offers... The whole notion is rather comical... I did not leave the door open at all."
Pointed out modestly that at his rank, he felt that he was not senior enough to be offered such an illustrious position. Vindman is just stellar. ![]() |
Response to crickets (Reply #128)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:22 PM
Mersky (4,849 posts)
134. Demurring and good-natured response
Thanks for capturing it, crickets!
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Response to crickets (Reply #128)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 01:10 PM
spooky3 (29,538 posts)
141. He was so nervous at first; the papers in his hands were
shaking. I am glad he has gotten more comfortable.
He would be a terrible poker player. He can barely mask his disdain for the immoral idiots’ questions, but looks confident when Dems ask questions. |
Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #119)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:23 PM
IcyPeas (16,799 posts)
135. re David Holmes...
he's "a delightful fellow" said Vindman with a smile
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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)
Tue Nov 19, 2019, 12:15 PM
BumRushDaShow (96,386 posts)