***IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY HEARING NOV 19 THREAD 3***

[BumRushDaShow]

Thread #2 here - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212703086

[sheshe2]

1. Kick

[BumRushDaShow]

2. Castor asking Vindman regarding the "regular" and "irregular" policy channels

[Roland99]

4. surprised he wants to delve into this. not doing his side any favors here.

[Roland99]

3. To continue from thread 2...ranking (and he puts the "rank" in ranking) counsel still plodding...

tirelessly through meaningless bs

nothing of any evidentiary value for the last 20 min at least.

[MerryBlooms]

6. He's

blatantly misstating witness testimony of Taylor and Kent.

[Botany]

5. Castor is just selling conspiracy theories.

n/t

[MontanaMama]

7. The GOP is trying their best

to impugn the reputation of Lt Col Vindman by hammering on the offers to join the Ukrainian government. Disgusting.

[mucifer]

9. Didn't work

[crickets]

11. No, it did not, and it made Castor sound very petty. nt

[MontanaMama]

12. I don't think it did.

but the point, I believe, was to just put it out there for public consumption… Meaning Fox “news”. You can count on that being headlines on their cockamamie channel today.

[BumRushDaShow]

10. Yup.

And it sounded idiotic.

That may play to the Faux Snooze conspiracy-theory crowd but not to the American public.

[MontanaMama]

14. It did sound ridiculous.

I’m curious, however, about the offer itself. What in the world could Ukrainian leader ship be trying to accomplish by luring Lt Colonel Lindemann away from the US? It sounds extremely shady.

[BumRushDaShow]

22. Well

He has military experience, speaks the languages fluently, and was born in Ukraine (when it was part of the U.S.S.R.) although he and his brother were toddlers when their family left to come to the U.S., so he really has no association outside of his family and any postings there.

But as a note - whether it is a foreign country or a domestic company - government employees often get solicitations to come work for other entities (anyone who does "field work" gets these offers pretty frequently). The federal government has a process to report such offers and he did so!

[MontanaMama]

118. Agree with everything you

pointed out. The tin foil hat voice in my head wonders if he weren’t being set up. Some of the The folks around Col Vindman have turned out to be sketchy.

[BumRushDaShow]

119. If Ghouliani was involved I wouldn't put it past them doing such

[Laura PourMeADrink]

19. Not sure why...he doesn't seem particularly biased

at all.(against trump)

[crickets]

33. MSNBC is strongly calling out the effort to smear Vindman.

Pointing out how horrific it is to smear active duty military, decorated active duty military. Expressing shock that Repubs cannot find the bottom of the barrel when going to this line of questioning, that his family has been offered safe haven on a military base because Lt Col Vindman is perhaps in danger from having testified, and how shameful that is.

Calling him the best of the best, and going on and on about his integrity - as we all should.

[BumRushDaShow]

8. **** 5 - 10 MINUTE BREAK ****

(thank goodness cause needed a bathroom break myself! )

[Roland99]

13. That sign on the wall...the 99 days

the #TraitorGOP isn't even trying to hide the fact they don't have any defense. All they want is to:

name the whistleblower (akin to publicly naming a person who pulled a fire alarm when seeing a burning building)
continue to push many-times-over debunked conspiracy theories (debunked by EVERY witness)
ramble on meaninglessly over unrelated matters (to bore viewers to get them to tune out?)

[crickets]

18. I'd be a little more impressed if they'd hired graphics people who understood kerning.

The message is silly enough, but to use what looks like a student effort to blast it out there is just lame.

[Pacifist Patriot]

20. It's even more remote than that.

It's more like publicly naming someone who called the police to report they had been told a drug cartel was operating out of a house across the street, here are the names of some people who have been in and out of the house you might want to talk to, and from their experience living in the neighborhood for many years, the behavior over there does look awfully suspicious. Thereby triggering an investigation.

In other words, there is no reason whatsoever to reveal the identity of the whistleblower even if it wasn't against the law to do so. But the identity becoming known could put that person at risk of retaliation.

[Bayard]

27. I still don't understand why those signs are allowed

You certainly wouldn't see them in a regular court room. Blatant and despicable display for the cult.

[Roland99]

15. C-SPAN feed has people interviewing some repuke

this repuke is essentially saying the commander-in-chief is the final authority and that Lt Col Vindman should not be testifying against the president's actions and words.

[mucifer]

17. blind cult worship

[crickets]

16. Oh, good grief. The student council has put up new propaganda posters. Losers. nt

[IcyPeas]

26. what do they say?

[crickets]

46. One says '99 days since Adam Schiff learned the ID of the whistleblower.'

which is untrue. Another quotes Rep Van Drew D-NJ about millions of dollars spent, time spent, how he thinks it's fracturing the nation and not a good thing. I haven't see the third one clearly, sorry. They are straight up propaganda.

[IcyPeas]

68. thanks

[Hermit-The-Prog]

21. ABC talker, "no one's really taking that seriously"

In the discussion in the break, one of the ABC talkers mentioned Trump saying he might testify but, "no one's really taking that seriously".

This is where we are: No one takes the word of the president seriously. Except our military, of course; they took an oath to do so.

[BumRushDaShow]

23. ***ABOUT TO START UP AGAIN***

[BumRushDaShow]

24. 5 minute member questions - Schiff starts off

[BumRushDaShow]

25. Schiff is trying to clean up MOO MOO's BULLSHIT via his own questioning

[IcyPeas]

29. that's why Schiff is so good at this.

[kentuck]

28. "Col. Vindman, why did Hunter Biden withhold $400 million from Ukraine?"

And why did Hunter Biden forbid the new Ukrainian president from a visit tothe White House?

[IcyPeas]

30. LOL

and was Hunter Biden at the grassy knowl?

[klook]

36. LOL, about right.

“Could Hunter Biden be the whistleblower? And what is his connection to Hillary’s child-sex pizza parlor?”

[BumRushDaShow]

31. Schiff includes mention of press report about Ghouliani's "wanting to meddle in an investigation"

[BumRushDaShow]

32. Schiff connecting Ghouliani's intent and Drumpf's intent being in sync

[Botany]

34. Is Gym Jacket Off Jordan there?

n/t

BTW Schiff is much better @ that "Fancy Lawyer Talking Stuff" aka his follow up
Q.A. with the witnesses .

[mucifer]

35. yeah he will have his turn eventually

[elleng]

39. Yes, coming up (after noones.)

[dweller]

42. don't see him

nor are there any stupid signs behind the repugs
oh crap, there he is 😑
and crap again... there's the signs

✌🏼

[herding cats]

45. He's up now.

He seems less caffeinated so far, but still a twit.

[Botany]

61. I have no idea what he was talking about .... gibberish

about the call after the call and about that call

[herding cats]

107. Ha! Neither did I...

That's a perfect video for we just witnessed.

[Botany]

115. Gym Jacket-Off spoke 3 minutes of gibberish before asking one simple question.

How many people listened in on that phone call?

but before that call and about that call and what to was that call related during that call

[BumRushDaShow]

37. Schiff invoking Bolton's "drug deal" term & political investigations and how itcame up in the call

[BumRushDaShow]

38. MOO MOO ALERT - MUTE & he'll be handing off to GYMSUIT

[Politicub]

43. Gym looks especially disheveled today

And he’s being a dick.

[BumRushDaShow]

53. He's always in a perpetual state of dickery

[Politicub]

40. Ugh - the five minute rounds

Someone please poke my brain out with a stick.

Has anything been revealed during these rounds that is as substantive as the 45 minute questioning?

[BumRushDaShow]

41. Here comes the spun-up wacko Gymsuit - MUTE ALERT

[BumRushDaShow]

44. Gymsuit going after Vindman

[uponit7771]

47. Jordan is a scumbag ... he's horrible

[a kennedy]

62. I know........I despise him.....

[hibbing]

48. I want to thank you for your service, now let me disparage your reputation n/t

[Roland99]

52. Is he trying to pin Vindman as the whistleblower?

or just general reputation smearing?

[Mersky]

49. Oh look, Gym wore clam diggers and a tank top

Must have something important to do later.

[BumRushDaShow]

50. Vindman reading his last performance appraisal to torpedo Gymsuit

[Pacifist Patriot]

55. What the hell are they trying to accomplish impugning an army office with excellent fit reps?

[TwilightZone]

72. It's all they have.

They have no plan or defense, so their only hope is to discredit the witnesses. Good luck with that.

[elleng]

87. right

[Pacifist Patriot]

51. Anyone else think the GOP bizarro questions are designed to be out of context sound bites on Faux?

They do not make much sense in the broader scheme of things.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

56. Exactly that. And to keep Fat Nixon happy.

[crickets]

60. +1

[dchill]

54. Jacketoff, Jacketoff, buddy gonna shut you down!

[Mersky]

57. "Preposterous" Vindman says to leaking information

[uponit7771]

58. Jordan is talking too fast on purpose.

[BumRushDaShow]

59. Schiff cutting off the wacko from doing the whistlebloower outing

[ancianita]

71. Masterful!

[crickets]

77. Vindman's counsel is really on the ball about this.

I love how Jordan breaks the rules, but doesn't want the reprimand to come out of his time.

[Bayard]

63. Jordan saying Vindman has been said to have "poor judgment", by various people

And has leaked information. The good Colonel then read a glowing recommendation.

Schiff, again saying--You are not going to try to out the Whistle Blower.

[BumRushDaShow]

64. Vindman is like WTF?

This guy is nuts...

[catbyte]

65. Gym is such a dick.

[IcyPeas]

66. gym is just trying desparately to

have a "gotcha moment". he always does that. b-o-r-i-n-g

[crickets]

73. In the process, he's making Morrison sound bad. Bit o' unintentional blowback there.

[BumRushDaShow]

67. Jim Himes (D-CT) up

[BumRushDaShow]

69. Himes reading Drumpf's insulting tweet against Williams

Calling it "witness tampering".

[Midnightwalk]

70. Jordan going after whistleblower Again

Traitorous rat. Schiff shut him down i think on jordans time. Vindman looks like he wants to smack jordan.

[ancianita]

74. Schiff thinks circles around this ratfucker.

[BumRushDaShow]

75. Himes to Vindman - "Do you call yourself a 'Never Trumper'"

Vindman - "I call myself a 'never partisan'".

[Miles Archer]

82. Yeah...I just started watching, but that might be the line of the day. n/t

[demmiblue]

76. Himes is really impressive. n/t

[Roland99]

78. Jim "Freakin A" Himes!!

[hibbing]

83. Himes was excellent

He laid it out exactly what the point of the other side's questioning was about. Shove that stuff right in their faces.


Peace

[crickets]

103. Yup. Love how he brought up the tweets aimed at Williams (witness intimidation)

as well as explanations of military decorations on Vindman's uniform, his injury in line of duty. Skewered the Repubs questioning loyalties. Bravo to him.

"It's the kind of thing you say when you're defending the indefensible."

[ancianita]

79. Himes just nailed the heart of vampire politics!! Himes' statement has to go viral.

[mucifer]

85. It will never be on fox news that's for sure

[Mersky]

86. I know I'll watch that again

[spanone]

80. here comes ratfucker. going after semantics

[BumRushDaShow]

81. John Ratfucker (R-TX) up with the usual bullshit

[ancianita]

88. "Bribery" is up to the Articles of Impeachment to define, ratfucker from TX!

[BumRushDaShow]

93. He can't dismiss what went on

They have no other argument.

[elleng]

95. thanks. tell ratfker.

[mnhtnbb]

90. He is such a dumbfu*k

[spooky3]

92. Hey, dumbass Ratf.; fact witnesses aren't supposed to draw legal

Conclusions as to what “bribery” is.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

96. +1

[BumRushDaShow]

104. Correct.

Anyone who also does investigations isn't supposed to provide "conclusionary" descriptions of events. That's what the lawyers are for.

[spooky3]

116. And Schiff clarifies the point! Nt

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

84. Himes does a scathing rebuttal of the canard that Vindman is disloyal because

he was offered and turned down a position in Ukraine.

Now that dumbass Ratcliffe is up.

[catbyte]

89. They're so pathetic.

[madaboutharry]

91. Radcliff wasting time with bullshit.

Fact witnesses testify to facts.

They do not testify to legal terms or legal theories.

The republicans have nothing.

[Roland99]

100. Let him keep saying "bribery". Quid Pro Quo is not an actual crime (like collusion)

it's the underlying crime that falls under that quid pro quo umbrella

[Roland99]

101. The "Quid" is a Crime: No Need to Prove "Pro Quo" in Ukrainegate

https://www.justsecurity.org/66277/the-quid-is-a-crime-no-need-to-prove-pro-quo-in-ukrainegate/

[crickets]

111. Nothing but soundbites and theatrics. nt

[mnhtnbb]

94. The answer is legal definition of the action.

Dumbshit.

[gristy]

97. ratcliffe - OMG what a POS

What the hell do the fact witnesses have to do with stating that Trump has committed bribery.
Of course, nothing at all.

[Botany]

98. So the Texas guy has put a stack of papers on the table? Wow.

BTW don't worry Mr. Texas the House Dems will put together a nice tight bribery case.

[ancianita]

106. +1 Indeed, they will. Pelosi saw it first, and with evidence, Americans will agree in the polls.

[BumRushDaShow]

109. Probably all blank put into packs with big binder clips

[BumRushDaShow]

99. Terri Sewell (D-AL) up

[dchill]

102. Ratliffe is flamboyantly disgusting. He's an emetic.

[Miles Archer]

105. He's a whiny little snowflake. All I'm hearing from the R's today is whining. n/t

[IcyPeas]

114. ewww good word

[Midnightwalk]

108. Ratcliffe is a sneaky idiot

Lawyers identify the legal terms. These witnesses are too smart to loosely use legal terms.

That’s the job for non-lawyers like me on DU.

In any case these hearings are to expose the facts. The judicial committee will lay out the charges.

I wonder if Nadler will limit those hearings to deciding the articles of impeachment and prevent attempts to drag in new evidence.

[ancianita]

113. Nadler's committee will lay out articles that Schiff's committee recommends. I don't think

they'll argue about the evidence the Intel Dems have put together through eyewitness testimony.

It's been too compelling.

[Midnightwalk]

117. Yeah that's what i realized

The republicans will try to continue bringing up the whistleblower and the bidens but the democratic members (nadler) will tell them no new evidence allowed.

As they should. Bringing up unrelated items like what the bidens did have no bearing on what trump did.

Schiff is explaining right now that fact witnesses don’t give opinions on what bribery means

[Mersky]

110. Maybe if your poorest constituents had broadband internet

They could pull apart your bribery/word usage shell game.

Aren’t you getting tired of your tortured logic, ratcliffe?

[BumRushDaShow]

112. ***IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY HEARING NOV 19 THREAD 4*** is up

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212703876