***IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY HEARING NOV 19 THREAD 4***

[BumRushDaShow]

Thread #3 here - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212703544

[uponit7771]

1. Republicans: SUPPORT THE TROOPS !!! Unless they're being honest about Trumps crimes

[BumRushDaShow]

2. Terri Sewell (D-AL) getting clarifications on Ghouliani as a "non-government" employee involved

in carry out policy.

[crickets]

8. She did a great job of drawing out Vindman

He explains how irregular and unhelpful G. was toward US security interests.

[BumRushDaShow]

3. Michael Turner (R-OH) up

[elleng]

7. being an ass

[crickets]

4. Sewell asking about Giuliani's advances

"direct overtures - directly and through proxies" attempts to debunk Russia 2016 and investigate Bidens, showing that while anti-corruption was official policy, these policies are not.

Pointing out Rudy makes a point of calling himself T's lawyer, that he is helping his client. Only later mentions helping the country.

[BumRushDaShow]

5. Turner asking Vindman about Ghouliani

and being an idiot.

[uponit7771]

6. What is this idiots line of questioning about !?

[elleng]

9. that NO one advises trump

[polichick]

10. Scumbag RepubliCONs disrespect people in order to rattle them.

[BumRushDaShow]

11. Turner had to overtalk Vindman to drown him out

[Miles Archer]

17. Turner is asking stupid, deliberately sarcastic and snarky questions.

This guy's a fuckin' MAROON.

[BumRushDaShow]

19. Yup and he thought he was being slick but the answer was not what he wanted out there

[crickets]

22. His deliberate rudeness is appalling. nt

[BumRushDaShow]

12. Andre Carson (D-IN) - yielding to Schiff for the moment

Schiff describing "bribery".

[Docreed2003]

13. Thank you for these threads Bum!

Playing catch up as I can on breaks as work.

[TwilightZone]

14. "Thank you for your service, why are you such a loser?" is a curious strategy.

Discrediting the witnesses is their MO, of course, but it's transparent and sounds rather disingenuous.

[IcyPeas]

15. quid pro quo equals bribery

[BumRushDaShow]

16. Schiff correcting the idiot GOP - calling these people "fact witnesses"

and they would not come to a conclusion about "bribery".

[Mersky]

23. Was so good. Thank you Chairman Schiff.

[BumRushDaShow]

18. Carson back - now questioning... asking about Bolton cutting meeting short

[crickets]

34. The calm and logical way he went through the sequence of events

is impressive. Republicans can chum up their 5 minutes as much as they want, any dirt they go for is swept away each time the mic goes back to Democrats.

[Mersky]

20. Turner tried to turn Vindman into a gets-the-coffee guy

I’m not fooled. The Lt. Col. was in a position to know what he’s reported.

[Botany]

21. Schiff just dropped the hammer with his what is bribery talk.

And what is a fact witnesses, too.

[ancianita]

55. +1

[IcyPeas]

24. (off topic) but I hate chyrons.

I'm so old I remember the days before chyrons where you saw the entire tv screen

[klook]

89. Good reason to watch on C-SPAN. (nt)

[BumRushDaShow]

25. Carson done and now to Brad Wenstrup (R-OH)

[maxsolomon]

47. how can there be so many R jerks from OH?

I guess I and all my friends shouldn't have fled the state in 1991.

[spooky3]

58. Gerrymandering nt

[NRaleighLiberal]

26. thanks to y'all. I am keeping up with things solely using your threads

[BumRushDaShow]

28. It's hard to transcribe the GOP bullshit

but ya know...

[NRaleighLiberal]

29. you are doing just fine.

[BumRushDaShow]

27. Dumbass Wenstrup talking over Vindman's answer

[Roland99]

31. Wenstrub now apparently blaming Lt Col Vindman from reporting the improprieties of the call

questioning the chain of command whether Vindman reported to the wrong person.


uhhhhh...

Defending the indefensible.

[crickets]

42. He doesn't want the answers. He just wants his talking points. So blatant.

"Let's establish your role and title." Then puts words in V.'s mouth and is incredibly insulting, at length. Demeaning the witness is going to blow back on them.

Rhetorical question, since when have "support the troops!" Repubs become so derogatory toward the military?

[BumRushDaShow]

30. Wenstrup impugning the witness

on his role.

[Roland99]

33. Reporting a crime is now a crime?

[BumRushDaShow]

35. Of course!

[BumRushDaShow]

32. Jackie Speier (D-CA) up and she is correcting the Wenstrup bullshit

[Roland99]

36. Clearing up the way it was reported by Vindman was ok

Eisenberg was more senior

[dweller]

37. which repug was asking about perjury?

and what was that about? is either Vindman or Williams suspect?


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[Wednesdays]

69. They're just out fishing...

And casting as wide a net as humanly possible. So far, they haven't caught so much as an old boot.

[Midnightwalk]

38. Stewart accusing vindman of not following chain of command

Going to council is the right action. He also tried to get to morrison who didn’t make time.

Spear got it clarified that the lawyer is in chain of command and was senior to morrison.

But no republican questions ever try bring out new facts.

[BumRushDaShow]

39. Speier establishing the retribution against Vindman

by not permitting him to participate in some of the other calls.

[Mersky]

40. Rep Speier cleaned up wenstrup's muck about chain of command

In less than thirty seconds.

[Blaukraut]

41. GOP tactic: Discredit first hand witnesses, thereby making hearsay witnesses irrelevant n/t

[crickets]

44. Yup, that's the attempt. It's not going to work, though. nt

[spooky3]

46. Stewart just wasted half of his time in stupid shit. Nt

[DeminPennswoods]

43. Honestly, the Rs don't even sound like their hearts

are in it - well, maybe except Jordan.

[BumRushDaShow]

45. Chris Stewart (R-UT) insulting Vindman for wearing his uniform and demanding he be addressed by rank

[Mersky]

49. Astounding anyone would even attempt that

So low. Good grief.

[spooky3]

52. How DARE Lt. Col. Wanting to be addressed by title

After being dismissed and disparaged by RW media!!!!

[Peregrine Took]

57. This POS is one of the vilest little creeps up there.

I noticed him the other day and 'didn't think he got the vitriol in the liberal media he deserved.
Very nasty little man.

[Peregrine Took]

63. Go Quigley, my ex congressman! He's a good one!

Went right to Turner's little ploy re: favor vs. demand.

[crickets]

73. Where were these people when Ollie North testified?

Hypocrites.

So. Petty.

[Roland99]

48. AH HA HA HA HA Stewart stepped in his own shit!!

Gave Vindman a chance to bring up right wing attacks in the media on his character and service

[spooky3]

54. +1

[BumRushDaShow]

50. Stewart just threw the military under the bus!

[catbyte]

51. There is no bottom with these POS.

[asiliveandbreathe]

53. Trump is the effin' CIC.....stewart is a pos...

Favor..demand..wtf...

[mnhtnbb]

56. Fu*k. Trump is Commander in Chief!

[helpisontheway]

62. I'm wearing my daddy's wings! Fuck you coward..they are not your wings

and you have no right to question whether Vindman is wearing the correct uniform.

[onenote]

107. Chris Stewart never served a day in combat.

[BumRushDaShow]

59. Stewart bullshit and bullshit - out of time.

[Roland99]

60. Stewart trying to put words in Vindman's mouth re: VP Biden's demand of Ukraine to fire prosecutor

[BumRushDaShow]

61. Mike Quigley (D-IL) up

[Mersky]

64. I am lost. Wtf is stewart doing?

This is absurdist crap. Military-non military who’s on first for biggest jerk.

[mnhtnbb]

65. Behaving like the Trumpist ass kisser he is.

[Mersky]

68. No doubt. I'm just stunned anyone could bring themselves

to string that angle together. He actually said all of that on teevee. Is nuts.

[BumRushDaShow]

66. He's a brainwashed Airforce ass insulting the Army

[AnotherMother4Peace]

80. trying to rattle the Vindman by diminishing him, his uniform, his title, & interpretations

[Mersky]

94. Yeah, yeah, I get that. Is just...

I cannot believe stewart said to himself, “yes, today I’m gonna be that idiot that argues uniform, titles, military/civilian.”

Was so bizarre how bad stewart made himself look.

[BumRushDaShow]

67. Quigley establishing that no one was in support of withholding the aid to Ukraine

[crickets]

84. +1

[BumRushDaShow]

70. MUTE ALERT - here comes Stupidfucknik

[Hermit-The-Prog]

71. oh, look! it's Tedra Cobb's main fundraiser up now!

[Mersky]

77. Ha. Hahaha. Yeah.

[crickets]

81. Bwahahaha! She is never going to live that down. nt

[IcyPeas]

72. stefanik? can she read any faster?

[Mersky]

83. Oddly, yes.

[catbyte]

74. And Tedra Cobb's campaign coffer continues to grow...

[Karma13612]

75. Rep Stefanik

Just go away
#VoteBlue2020

[Roland99]

76. Stefanik ignoring laws...aid eventually made it (not the point)

and some bs about Bidens...again...not relevant!

[Roland99]

82. Impugning Hunter Biden by association...altho Burisma crimes were from before his tenure there

Facts don't matter to repukes

[madaboutharry]

78. Stewart attacking Lt. Col. Vindman for being too much of

a stickler for knowing the difference between right and wrong.

Republicans to Lt. Col. Vindman: "You are too moral and have too much integrity!"

[BumRushDaShow]

79. Stupidufuckit wants Hunter to testify

[catbyte]

85. It amazes me that time seems to slow down when it's the gop's turn. Endless.

[spooky3]

92. I switch over to HGTV then. Nt

[Roland99]

86. Stefanik again pointing out aid eventually made it to Ukraine

and Javelins were part of that and Obama didn't send them any (ignoring completely the context surrounding each, differing case)

[Mr. Sparkle]

87. That was a monologue from the republican

she didn't asked any questions.

[BumRushDaShow]

88. Now she wants to insult his role

Completely insulting what the point of an "advisor" is.

[Roland99]

91. and then ended her time w/o asking anything related to the impeachment!

[BumRushDaShow]

97. They can't ask anything related because they are fucked.

[BumRushDaShow]

90. Eric Swalwell (D-CA) up and correcting the nonsense

[Midnightwalk]

98. Swalwell is doing great. Nt

[BumRushDaShow]

105. He has been tweet trolling Drumpf and the GOP

continually too and he has been appearing in all the media as well!

[Roland99]

101. And Matt Damon will play him in the movie...

[Mersky]

104. +1

[BumRushDaShow]

93. Swalwell clarifying what these "fact witnesses" purpose is

[Roland99]

99. Explaining that the fact they didn't use the term bribery doesn't mean that's not what the crime is

[ancianita]

100. He's nailed the evidentiary basis of any eyewitness that leads to THE legal term, bribery.

[onecaliberal]

95. Swalwell is killing it.

[Botany]

96. NY GOP Lady rough quote aka they have nothing

GOP Lady, So do you agree that the President sets our policy?

Vindman, Yes

[ancianita]

103. So Dems can't call a crime "bribery" but the president can call that crime "policy."

[Midnightwalk]

109. Yeah but she was very eager

To make that clear.

Their defense is going to be it isn’t impeachable. The president can do whatever he wants in foreign policy and can’t be prosecuted domestically

So he could ask russians to assassinate rivals with impunity.

This is where we decide whether to keep our democracy. But the senators who will make that decision are already elected.

We are living in interesting times. I could stand some more boredom

[crickets]

112. Excellent summation. ...I could stand some boredom too. nt

[BumRushDaShow]

102. William Hurd (R-TX) up

[Roland99]

108. Hurd is just taking up time...again...a series of comments and questions unrelated to trump's crimes

[BumRushDaShow]

110. He is not running again so it's no big deal for him.

[BumRushDaShow]

106. Hurd to Vindman "Is it known that Drumpf doesn't always stick to a script?"

"...so was it odd that he didn't use your talking points?"

Really? You admitted this?

[BumRushDaShow]

111. ***IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY HEARING NOV 19 THREAD 5*** is up

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212704180