***IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY HEARING NOV 19 THREAD (AFTERNOON SESSION) 7***

[BumRushDaShow]

Thread #1 here - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212704698

ROUND 2 - Kurt Volker and Timothy Morrison

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ROUND 1 threads -

#1 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212702820
#2 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212703086
#3 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212703544
#4 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212703876
#5 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212704180

[BumRushDaShow]

1. Daniel Goldman - House Intelligence Dems Counsel still asking questions

Going through text messages with Volker and Morrison.

[polichick]

2. Glad Volker has decided to throw the others under the bus...

but no way was he unaware of the real plan imo.

[rzemanfl]

63. I agree. The whole truth is not being told this afternoon like it was

this morning.

[Blaukraut]

3. Why does Volker keep smirking like that? Kind of inappropriate, imo n/t

[madaboutharry]

5. It seems like a nervous tick to me.

He looks like he wishes he was anywhere else.

[crickets]

6. I think it's a tell, perhaps because he is embarrassed. nt

[BumRushDaShow]

4. Goldman continuing on "the investigations" and conspiracy theories along with a "public statement"

being requested.

[crickets]

8. Morrison is also using the "my perceptions now" vs "my perceptions then" statements. nt

[BumRushDaShow]

7. Going over the draft statement from Ukraine that included Biden/Burisma

[madaboutharry]

9. Sounds like Volker is trying to say that he

thought if everyone just humored Trump they could get things to move forward.

As in placating a child.

[onecaliberal]

10. Volker is trying to have it both ways.

[budkin]

11. He's squirming because his earlier testimony was false. N/t

[crickets]

16. Yes, he is trying to hedge and Goldman is pinning him down. nt

[onecaliberal]

20. Goldman has definitely been masterful.

[onecaliberal]

108. Goldman just highlighted one of his lies

[onecaliberal]

112. He's all over the lies from the previous 45 minutes.

[blaze]

12. Mr. Morrison, "I made the called on a secured line"

[mucifer]

13. "tell the lawyers" does not seem good either

[BumRushDaShow]

14. Morrison mentioning the single year funding

basically they were right up against the cutoff or the money would be lost.

[madaboutharry]

15. Volker and Morrison are trying to minimize

their participation in the scheme.

Their testimony so far: "It wasn't my idea. I'm just a low level nobody who got sucked into shit."

[BumRushDaShow]

17. And that they were patriots

only looking out for the best interest of Ukraine and carrying out U.S. policy, despite the "separate" or "parallel process".

[crickets]

18. Too bad for Volker those texts are not letting him off the hook so easily.

Brutal making him read them out loud.

[mucifer]

19. yup and btw the president did it

[OhZone]

44. I vas only folloving orders.

[polichick]

21. They both got very nervous re their convo about Sondland.

[Iwasthere]

22. I hope he dominates the time

Nunes would complain then he'd be offered the same amount of time. They would likely just dig the hole deeper. I doubt they want more time today. Especially after THEIR witnesses so eloquently threw so many under the bus.

[BumRushDaShow]

23. Goldman asked Morrison about the requests to perserve records...

[BumRushDaShow]

24. MOO MOO UP TALKING ABOUT TV RATINGS - MUTE

[The_Counsel]

36. The Clearest Tell Ever RE: Who Nunes' Audience Is.

The ONLY person who is concerned about whether this is bringing in ratings is Mr. Trump. Even NUNES doesn't care....

[BumRushDaShow]

53. I expect after today he wouldn't have wanted any of this on the air!

[elleng]

25. SHOOT nooones, PLEASE.

[barbtries]

31. i MUTE him.

saves me.

[elleng]

45. smart

[BumRushDaShow]

26. Castor Oil now up - him and Volker Philly burb natives

[Roland99]

27. Oh jeezus. MOOnes ranting that tv ratings are down over their testimony

Asking specifically if they were asked to bribe or extort

Of course not.

[Roland99]

32. MOOnes gave up quickly

[BumRushDaShow]

34. That's because their testimony was devastating for them

They both appear to be Bolton guys.

[Roland99]

41. Yeah. And Volker was the one to resign his position just before

The hearings?

[BumRushDaShow]

43. Both of them did

[polichick]

28. Cow Boy is 100% sure the RepubliCON base will...

fall for gaslighting tactics every single time!

[Midnightwalk]

39. Stopped clock and all. Nt

[kentuck]

29. "The TV ratings are way down".

Devin Nunes just informed the two witnesses?? Why are they so concerned about TV ratings?

[Blaukraut]

35. More like he informed Trump. Anything to please his master n/t

[BumRushDaShow]

37. That's all their dear leader cares about!

[crickets]

40. They need to float the lie as a talking point.

Saw a thread today about doctor's offices and other public places with their TVs all tuned to the hearings. People all over the world are glued to this and talking about it on twitter. Repubs desperately want everybody to turn off their TVs and computer streams, but it is not happening.

Glued. Everybody.

[Pacifist Patriot]

74. Definitely intended for Trump.

[flibbitygiblets]

30. What a bonafide horses ass Nunez is. "I have some bad news. TV ratings are down"

Spoken like his cloven-hoofed master.

[blaze]

33. You know the ratings comments were for ddrump

[Rustynaerduwell]

38. Nunes gloating that the TV ratings are down for the hearing.

I'm 58 years old and I've never been brought to the rage I feel by so many people I don't personally know.

[The_Counsel]

42. Castor IS Aware that He Doesn't HAVE to Use the Entire 45 Minutes, No...?

I mean...why waste your time? The defense has nothing.

[TruckFump]

46. As a baby attorney there was one VERY important thing I learned.

Shut the fuck up -- you do NOT have to question a witness.

Castor needs to zip his lip.

[BumRushDaShow]

54. He may be charging by the question

[TruckFump]

55. He better be cuz he ain't making it by results!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

69. What if he is literally trying to drag out? It's all confusing

to general public...so as a strategy why not drag out and make it confusing as possible? Their side wants it to be confusing.

[Roland99]

48. He should ask if any Ukrainians were killed by Russia before the aid arrived

[crickets]

51. Somebody should. Hoping at some point later somebody will. nt

[Roland99]

50. Volker going on that trump thought Ukraine hated him

They tried to take him down

Well. Former is likely true (as he’s a Putin kiss ass) but the latter has zero basis of proof)

[eleny]

92. Sounds a little like the "old yellowstain" talking about how they all hated him

[BumRushDaShow]

47. Castor asking Volker about the negative perceptions and how he got that impression

Answer - was part of what happened during bilateral meetings and some may be classified.

[BumRushDaShow]

49. Volker - Drumpf ignored the efforts to persuade him that Ukraine was not

full of bad people, etc., and were unable to.

[stillcool]

52. daytime ratings?..

Trump mentions ratings when he's trying to diss someone. Seems sophomoric when he does it....with Nunes it's idiotic.

[polichick]

56. These two have explained that Trump is delusional.

[crickets]

57. Castor - is it just me o-ZZzzzzZZzzzz zzz zz...

[Hermit-The-Prog]

59. wut? why'd you wake me? something happen?

[crickets]

62. *This* is the part of the program where the ratings tank.

Castor is just dull as dishwater. Part of it may be because the testimony took a turn they weren't expecting and he's not so sure of his question list anymore.

I'm gonna go feed the dog...

[Hermit-The-Prog]

64. Castor's job may be to tank the ratings

[Laura PourMeADrink]

70. Ah! Exactly what I just said. Tank ratings AND make

It so confusing and jumbled general public can't follow

[crickets]

78. I think that may backfire big time, though.

Everyone could figure out to watch the beginning, because Democrats go first. Then take a break while the Republicans quietly tread water, and come back for the finish at the end.

That works out great, even if people only sit through the beginning. It's the most important part.

[califootman]

66. I think that is his goal...

Get people to tune out before the Dems committee members get an opportunity to ask questions.

[chillfactor]

84. i just hit the mute button....

I will turn volume back on when oily Castor is done....

[BumRushDaShow]

58. Castor bringing up the Politico article about the funding hold

[BumRushDaShow]

60. Volker had a number of discussions with various internal entities trying to get the money moving

[onecaliberal]

61. Castor asking if Ukrainians knew the aid was on hold.

Trying to make it sound like the Ukrainians didn’t know until late in August.

[BumRushDaShow]

65. Volker not on the July 25 call but saw "readouts" from both U.S./Ukraine

[BumRushDaShow]

67. Castor trying to now get rid of the "quid pro quo" and "bribery/extortion"

Volker trying to clarify when he was actually involved.

[BumRushDaShow]

68. Castor now sliding the Burisma thing in again

[Roland99]

71. Objection!! Leading the witness!

Leading Morrison re: classification of call on secured server to avoid political outfall

[BumRushDaShow]

72. Oh boy - Morrison was told that Eisenberg put the transcript in the restricted system

and Eisenberg claimed that how it got there wasn't him and was an "error" (Administrative).

So throwing the administrative assistant who did the deed under the bus.

[Mersky]

75. How frequent are such errors? Seems like there'd be some, meh, fail safe protocol?

[XRubicon]

81. I wonder if it was marked as classified.

[crickets]

88. Whoops, interesting again!

Eisenberg's judgement was not Morrison's to question re moving the call record. Admin error again. Something in the content that could not exist on the lower server. Wait, earlier it was just political. What changed in the last hour?

There IS an exact record of what was said on the call. BEEP BEEP Testimonies are not matching Vindman's this morning. There had better be more questions about this in later rounds.

[polichick]

73. zzzzzzzzzzzz

[The_Counsel]

76. Not That Trump Ass-Lickers Care, But Bribery/Extortion Is NOT a "New Charge."

I end up doing this ( ) nearly to the point of brain injury every time I hear that BS argument.

It is NOT a "new charge." It is NOT "moving the goal posts." It is calling this what it is: EXTORTION. The "quid pro quo" was only part of it. It's just that those of us who speak ENGLISH understand "extortion" better...

[Mersky]

82. Depends on how you say, quid pro quo

I think Volker a few mins back, in regards to the July 10th meeting, basically said that it’s pronounced, “big picture of the bilateral relationship.”

[Imperialism Inc.]

87. Yeah, I posted about that in the previous thread

This is from a lawyer who hosts the Opening Arguments podcast. Quid pro quo, this for that, are two of the elements of bribery.

Link to tweet

The third element is corrupt intent.

[BumRushDaShow]

77. Morrison talking about the "track changes" edit

I know from experience that this sounds like MS Word track changes edit stuff...

[Bluepinky]

79. Morrison looks guilty. He's lying.

Says he can’t recall being asked by Vindman to correct the transcript to specify Barristra in place of company.

[polichick]

85. The way he keeps looking up seems like a tell.

[crickets]

90. I noticed that too! He is having to search for words.

[Bluepinky]

91. Yes, he had all the signs of lying to those questions

when he said at least twice “I don’t recall that.”

[BumRushDaShow]

80. Castor now doing the maligning of Vindman to Morrison

[crickets]

93. Why would there be any concerns re Vindman?

Castor trying to make it sound like Vindman was leaking or not being forthcoming, not 'keeping Morrison in the loop' and going to the lawyers instead. This is actually pointing out that Vindman didn't trust Morrison and illustrating that Morrison was actually cutting Vindman out of the loop, not the other way around.

[BumRushDaShow]

97. That is the implication here

that a sharp lawyer/questioner might bring up.

It sounds like Morrison was hedging his words to be diplomatic like a cat caught with a canary in its mouth.

The fact that BOTH of them went to Eisenberg seems to suggest that there was apparently an issue and the question might be what was discussed with Eisenberg by each (and whether Morrison was trying to find out what Vindman was doing).

[crickets]

105. *whether Morrison was trying to find out what Vindman was doing*

Dingding! I think you may be right. Neither Morrison nor Volker strike me as straightforward people. The contrast between these two and all of the prior witnessess we've seen up to now is striking.

[Roland99]

83. Morrison eye roll re question of whether Vindman should have kept him in loop

Huge tell he’s concocting a lie

[asiliveandbreathe]

94. Morrison tried to discredit Lt. Col. Vindman in closed door testimony

It is in morrisons transcript...

Lt. Col. Vindman - by saying he was untrustworthy, and how dare he go directly to the lawyers without first talking to Morrison - doesn't he know the chain of command (Morrison had been in that position for a very few days after Fiona Hill left..)

Sen. Johnson made an effort yesterday trying to discredit Vindman..Susan Del Percio with Nichole Wallace went ballistic on Deadline MSNBC...(I tried to find the video..)

I would have loved to have Vindman, Hill, and Morrison testify together, with Morrison sitting in the middle....I read his transcript...

[crickets]

96. This is the other part of the smear campaign against Vindman

coming out into the open. Volker not agreeing with his views on the two tracks and making it sound like he was not as qualified. Rudy pops out from under the bus and is suddenly a 'useful barometer' -- That was infuriating.

[Mersky]

101. Noted. Admittedly, I haven't read his transcript, but I certainly will!

[BumRushDaShow]

86. Volker still not liking the parallel process. Castor is done.

[onecaliberal]

95. Volker is a liar.

[BumRushDaShow]

98. If he is

then it would be interesting which testimony is the "truth" (closed door or public) and/or whether any of it was!

But he certainly threw Ghouliani under the bus!

[onecaliberal]

106. He's trying to have it both ways.

[BumRushDaShow]

109. Yup and now that they are back, Goldman is right on him.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212705732

[crickets]

99. I think both Volker and Morrison lied more than once.

It's like their testimonies slid around depending on who was asking the questions and how they were phrased.

[onecaliberal]

107. Agreed.

[BumRushDaShow]

89. **** 5 - 10 MINUTE BREAK*****

[DeminPennswoods]

100. Volker strikes me as sincerely committed to a strong,

independent Ukraine. I think he was nearly as desperate as Zelensky for the WH meeting between Zelensky and Trump. I think he conveyed to Zelensky to say whatever Trump wanted to hear in order to get the WH visit. I suspect Volker thought Zelensky actually didn't have to follow up on whatever promise he made and may have even advised Zelensky so.

[BumRushDaShow]

104. . ***IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY HEARING NOV 19 THREAD (AFTERNOON SESSION) 8*** now up

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212705732

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

113. Nunes pissing and moaning again