***IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY HEARING NOV 19 THREAD (AFTERNOON SESSION) 8***

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Thread #2 (afternoon) here - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212705274

ROUND 2 - Kurt Volker and Timothy Morrison

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ROUND 1 threads -

#1 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212702820
#2 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212703086
#3 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212703544
#4 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212703876
#5 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212704180

[BumRushDaShow]

1. Witnesses returning to the room. About to start.

[BumRushDaShow]

2. Schiff has noted they will have 2, 15-minute rounds (1 for each side) - Goldman starting.

[tavernier]

3. Volker will be played by Dustin Hoffman.

[BumRushDaShow]

5. LOL

[Mersky]

9. Lol. Totally works

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4. Goldman now grilling Volker about what went on the call

Those who took notes (2 staffers) and him who did not...

[onecaliberal]

6. "Should they be believed or you"

[Mersky]

7. Am making a note to insert Laura Cooper's quote of Volker

...disavow....

[BumRushDaShow]

8. Goldman now pounding on him about notes from Taylor and others

regarding "investigations".

[crickets]

10. Volker is no longer as sure about things, not able to be very specific all of a sudden. nt

[BumRushDaShow]

12. Yup - pretty much just posted about his stumbling over his words

[BumRushDaShow]

11. Goldman bringing up Fiona Hill's remarks to Morrison re: Burisma

He is being very careful when stumbling over his words.

[crickets]

14. Goldman is bothering to follow up with "Why?" and "Why not?" This seems to throw Morrison a bit.

Wonder why...

[BumRushDaShow]

13. Volker threw Sondland under the bus

[crickets]

22. Good. The whole check on the desk thing makes me mad.

The check was never on Trump's desk. It was in Congress' purse, written and ready to go.

[BumRushDaShow]

15. Goldman done.... Over to MOO MOO.

[BumRushDaShow]

16. MOO MOO - MUTE

[helpisontheway]

17. Sounds like it would have been better to end today with

Vindman. Now people are home and they see these witnesses that are more favorable to Trump. I’m not watching but it seems like the comments regarding Vindman were more positive this morning.

[Siwsan]

44. Not from what I'm watching. I don't think this is going anywhere near the way the GOP had hoped.

[leftieNanner]

62. And these guys were requested to attend

By the GOP!

[Siwsan]

77. Yup.

Just another case of a reality ass bite.

[helpisontheway]

92. Oh ok GOOD! nt

[polichick]

18. MOOoooooooooooooooooo! Wahhhhhhhh!

[madaboutharry]

19. Nunes acting like an ass.

He is so fucking stupid.

[elleng]

20. 'out of control process' just for YOU, nooones.

you DID help write the rules.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

23. Oops

Those pesky facts

[Mersky]

21. So, to the email: Any hampered investigations will go forward transparently.

Morrison responded, “tracking”...

And claims that was about tracking needing a meeting.

Right. Okay.

[Roland99]

24. MOOnes just called Morrison and Volker as Schiff's witnesses

[Roland99]

25. he has no more questions...just wanted to whine

[BumRushDaShow]

29. The resolution said the chair can "expand" the questions as he wishes (beyond the 5 minute questioni

and apparently MooMoo skipped over that part.

[Roland99]

30. Do you believe in magic, magic?

[BumRushDaShow]

33. The magic

allowed the cow to jump over the moon!

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26. MOO HAD NO questions only snark so passed off to Castor

[spanone]

28. moo moo nunes seems overtly concerned about ratings....one could assume he was a dick.

[Mersky]

27. Wait, no. Did Nunes just say this is the Dems drug deal?

Uh, no, you can’t recycle menacing mustache bolton’s language like that. Too derivative.

[crickets]

32. Good catch. They would love to unload that one, but they own it.

I also thought he was childish of Nunes to call them "magic minutes" and try to pass time to someone else, when he knows very well that it's against the rules.

eta - bwahaha ! Schiff quotes Bolton to Volker to get the record straight on who called what a "drug deal."

[Mersky]

69. Yeah, he's going by the republicon rhetoric playbook of

When in doubt, project, project, project.

[WyattKansas]

35. It must be a very effective smear against tRump and the republicans...

Because Nunes is desperately trying to project it onto the Dems.

[Mersky]

80. His tell: the more desperate the usage, the more damaging it is?

Could be. Very well could be so.

[PA Democrat]

40. Second time today he has made that statement.

[hedda_foil]

49. He's trying to take the term from Bolton and turn it around on the Dems -- as T did with fake news.

I'm expecting Faux to pick it up and run with it.

[BumRushDaShow]

31. Blah blah Castor done - now going to 5 minute Committee questions - Schiff starts

[onecaliberal]

34. The republicans are clearly outmatched intellectually.

[elleng]

37. YES

[BumRushDaShow]

36. Schiff bringing up Bolton and the "drug deal"

[spanone]

43. Volker is a bad liar.

[BuffaloJackalope]

38. I like how the GOP is trying to push the idea

there was no linkage between the aid & the phony Biden investigation - even after pretty much every witness says there was.

They think that just saying the quid pro quo isn't a quid pro quo, then there was no quid pro quo.

[onecaliberal]

39. Volker caught lying again.

[madaboutharry]

41. Schiff asking Volker about his temporary amnesia.

Volker is all over the place trying to cover his ass.

Now that he was a terrible witness for the republicans, the republicans want to make him the democrats witness.

[crickets]

46. This is why you should always tell the truth the first time. Volker can't keep his story straight.

Schiff gets Morrison, too - "It's not hypothetical. Read the transcript!" Ha.

[BumRushDaShow]

42. Volker now back-tracking calling the "investigation" remarks an "eyeroll" moment

[BumRushDaShow]

45. Schiff has circled Morrison and got him backed in a corner

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

47. Morrison is a weasel.

[madaboutharry]

52. Word bubble over Morrison's head:

"Oh shit, I want to go home so badly!"

[crickets]

55. You bet he did. Morrison's eye roll was very bad manners.

These two are not comporting themselves well. The longer the questioning goes on, the less either one of them is able to keep it together.

[BumRushDaShow]

57. Yup that's what's happening

They are collapsing before our eyes.

[Bluepinky]

48. Wow, Adam Schiff is good, holding their feet to the fire.

[polichick]

50. Dirty duo trying to save themselves.

[BumRushDaShow]

51. Schiff asked if either has ever heard of funds held up unless investgations were done.

Answer from both - No.

[Roland99]

53. Morrison is LYING!

trying to cover his ass for his actions before and to stay outta trouble now

[Roland99]

56. Rep Turner misrepresenting how testimony works

[polichick]

58. And choking on his words.

[BumRushDaShow]

54. MOO MOO yielded the 7 minutes of talk time to Michael Turner (R-OH)

[Bluepinky]

61. He's probably planning to speak on Faux News tonight and needs to fix his hair and make-up.

[BumRushDaShow]

64. LOL

[hedda_foil]

59. I wish that somehow Schiff could be the prosecutor for the Senate trial.

Unfortunately, if the Clinton impeachment is an example, it would have to go to a member of House Judiciary.

[dchill]

67. Well, they changed Gym's committee assignment on the fly.

So...

[mucifer]

70. They are planning on calling Schiff as a witness

I guess because he isn't bowing to the king

[BumRushDaShow]

60. Turner is claiming that Volker WAS the "regular channel"

[Roland99]

63. Bring in the text messages!!

[polichick]

65. Morrison also closes his eyes when he lies...

In addition to looking up and choking on his words.

[BumRushDaShow]

66. Turner done. Jim Himes (D-CT) up.

[ancianita]

68. Jim Himes is up about the "perfect" phone call. Mr. Morrison admits he heard 45 say Biden but

"doesn't believe" 45 said the word "corruption."

[crickets]

71. He had to check his notes vewy, vewy carefully before answering

whether the prez said 'corruption' or not. He really didn't want to answer that.

[BumRushDaShow]

72. Himes talking about "an Ambassador gone rogue"

re: Bolton talking about a "drug deal".

[ancianita]

75. Glad Himes reasserts the origin of "drug deal." Can't stand the Main interlocutor between the US

and Ukraine looking so nervous. It's the suspect behavior of a coward.

[BumRushDaShow]

73. Himes done and someone who didn't question this morning - Mike Conaway (R-TX) up

[madaboutharry]

74. Morrison is obviously a partisan hack.

He is twisting himself into a pretzel trying to tow the republican line while not lying too much.

[BumRushDaShow]

78. He is listed as a Republican

and a Bolton devotee/groupee...

So this is really confusing the hell out of them.

[Roland99]

76. Morrison falling on the sword for Pompeo

Wow. What do they have on Morrison and Volker?

[onecaliberal]

79. Both have lied to Congress. Will they be charged?

[catbyte]

84. He's emerging as the G. Gordon Liddy of TreasonGate.

Attempting to fall on his sword to protect his "superiors."

[BumRushDaShow]

81. Conaway is now whining about "immunity" and other nonsense

He is just rambling on.... I guess about the whistleblower.

He sounded like this -

[Bluepinky]

82. Why don't they read Trump's tweets where he has threatened the whistleblower?

[Roland99]

83. Conaway needs some Head and Shoulders. And he's fishing to out the whistleblower

[Mersky]

88. Ha. That'd require he find his spine first

And skip the fishing

[polichick]

85. Going after the whistleblower is the real "witch hunt."

[Roland99]

86. OMG! I saw Gym Jordan swig down some water!

The horror

[onecaliberal]

87. Is Conaway too stupid to read the whistleblower law.

[elleng]

91. yes, but Chair Schiff made it easier for him, by putting it on the record.

[crickets]

89. More garbage about the whistleblower and trying to say that there

should be a "level playing field" for both parties, that Schiff knows who WB is [lie] and that anonymity does not preclude testimony. Insulting both Pelosi and Schiff, whine, whine, whine. Schiff calmly has whistleblower statute added to the record and moves on.

eta - I thought the whistleblower offered to testify in writing anyway, wtf.

[BumRushDaShow]

90. Terri Sewell (D-AL) up

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93. Sewell bringing up the 2 testiying this morning and the issue of Burisma

and requiring that for any meeting/money.

[crickets]

99. She just skewered Volker and did a mic drop. That was brutal and lightning fast. nt

[uponit7771]

94. Is Volker lying ?!!? WTF Would he involve himself like that ?!?!?

[BumRushDaShow]

95. GYMSUIT IS UP - MUTE ALERT

[uponit7771]

96. Are they attempting to say that Trump didn't want to investigate the Bidens or that there was

... a valid reason to investigate Burisma but not the Bidens?!

They've lost me ... it sounds like Jordan is now off into conspiracy theory shit

[BumRushDaShow]

103. That's what he's claiming

Trying to split hairs that it is fine for Ukrainians to investigate Burisma for corruption "by other Ukrainians" but he skips over the part about investigating Biden that Drumpf demanded.

[uponit7771]

123. Ah, they want to leave out the Biden part and just concentrate on "corruption"

[greatauntoftriplets]

122. Damn!

I picked a great time to see if the mail was finally here. Completely missed Gym.

[Roland99]

97. Volker and Morrison are pure political hacks and trying to save themselves and

and their superiors

Vindman is perfectly non partisan

Williams was in VP Pence’s office.

Both of them testified to the inappropriateness and “wrongness” of the call and the request

But these two saw nothing wrong???

[onecaliberal]

98. Now Volker is saying the Burisma investigation was fine if it was

Ukrainians being investigated.

[Roland99]

100. Gym Jordan is gonna have a aneurysm with his yelling

[dchill]

105. You wish!

[asiliveandbreathe]

109. ...Oh Gym..just go away..the horse is dead..

[Roland99]

110. Jordan ranting that Ukraine parliament passed anti corruption measures

Ok. Yeah. In August when they were seated

When was aid released??

The release of aid was NOT contingent upon them addressing corruption. It was contingent upon trumps ask for a Biden investigation

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

101. Pull up your pants and stop shouting Gym Jordan.

[Mersky]

111. Whelp, fox spews got their tantrum footage.

[napi21]

102. I thin (HOPE) this the end of the hearing tody. tHE JAs always call this AH to do his screaming

last of their show for the day!

[BumRushDaShow]

104. He's done. Andre Carson (D-IN) up.

Carson pulling up the texts.

[Bluepinky]

106. Jim Carrey should play Jim Jordan, a larger than life personality.

Jim Jordan uses the buzz words the MAGAs love, “the hard earned taxpayer dollars”, funny they don’t care that Trump doesn’t pay his taxes.

I’m not disparaging Jim Carrey, he could play a really creepy Jim Jordan, complete with screaming, arm lunges and head rolls.

[Roland99]

113. Yes!

[onecaliberal]

107. Gym is the hero of stupidity.

[polichick]

108. Jordan is beyond creepy - may Justice visit him soon.

[onecaliberal]

114. Very very soon.

[BumRushDaShow]

112. Voker back to throwing Ghouliani under the bus

[onecaliberal]

115. Why were these idiots even talking to ghouliani about any of this?

He was NOT in the government. Not appointed. Nothing.

[BumRushDaShow]

116. Volker claimed he didn't know where the Zelensky interview idea came from

[crickets]

117. Volker has dragged Rudy out from under the bus

as though he actually belongs anywhere in the loop. Volker can't seem to stay on message.

[BumRushDaShow]

118. Carson done. Wenstrup (R-OH) up

[gademocrat7]

119. Gym Jordan is a very pompous incompetent jerk.

[budkin]

120. These guys have been all over the place all day

They can't have it both ways.

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121. ***IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY HEARING NOV 19 THREAD (AFTERNOON SESSION) 9*** now up

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