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Tue Nov 19, 2019, 09:47 PM

How weird is it that the anti-impeachment people

here are silent now and are not weighing in on options on our successes (and improvement challenges) ?

Guess mission was not accomplished?

True mission should have always been about the ultimate goal - holding MF45 to justice . Whether sooner or later. No?

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Reply How weird is it that the anti-impeachment people (Original post)
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 OP
dewsgirl Nov 2019 #1
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #12
TwilightZone Nov 2019 #2
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #3
guillaumeb Nov 2019 #4
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #6
guillaumeb Nov 2019 #13
gratuitous Nov 2019 #5
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #7
GulfCoast66 Nov 2019 #8
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #11
Bettie Nov 2019 #9
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #10

Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 09:51 PM

1. How could anyone watch the daily impeachable acts and

crimes pile up into an unimaginable mountain and think impeachment isn't necessary?

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Response to dewsgirl (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:47 PM

12. Have no idea. Didn't then and don't now

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 09:51 PM

2. "holding MF45 to justice"

It is unlikely that impeachment will do that unless you have a rather broad interpretation of the word.

The primary goal of impeachment was always going to be political, as it's an inherently political process. The goal is to convince people to vote him out in 2020, because it's highly unlikely that he'll be removed by the Senate or resign.

As for justice, we have to hope that that comes after his presidency, in the form of state charges, etc. The DOJ certainly isn't going to do anything about it now.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 09:53 PM

3. Thanks for weighing in TZ !

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:00 PM

4. Justice, as in court actions after his Presidency ends?

In my view, too many here seem to ignore the fact that process takes time.

But yes, as you noted, the goal is justice for Trump's many victims.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:15 PM

6. Good point. Does justice have to come with a judicial or

congressional and tangible end result? Or can it be something else?

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 01:48 PM

13. Please elaborate on this.

Can it also be simply an election which results in the GOP losing control of the Senate and Presidency as well?

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:02 PM

5. Most of the anti arguments seemed to me to boil down to one thing

That public opinion was a static, fixed number. "We can't impeach! Only 39% in a recent poll said that Trump should be investigated, let alone impeached." Yeah, the poll numbers weren't good. About the only people paying close attention to the political scene were aware of the misconduct and yes, high crimes and misdemeanors, of the administration.

But a funny thing happened as more information kept coming out, more facts were brought forward, and more of the bricks in the denial wall started to crumble: Public opinion changed. It wasn't some fixed quantity like the number of atoms in a mole after all. We're still in the inquiry stage, remember. Schiff's committee is finding evidence and gathering testimony that used to be the job of the Department of Justice until Trump got his tiny little mitts on it. So the early messy phase of the inquiry is happening right out in front of God and everybody. Wait until the House begins a focused investigation of specific charges.

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:21 PM

7. Yes, thankful that that is what ultimately happened!

It could have happened 7 months ago when the long dismissed Mueller report came out...but so happy at least it is happening now. My point is that those who dissed impeachment never mentioned holding him to justice...

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:24 PM

8. I was strongly anti-impeachment. Until we found out about the Ukraine abuse of power deal.

Thats what made me favor it. Because I realize impeachment is a political act. And until that point we had no easy to understand, obviously impeachable offense. Admitted in the open and supported by non-partisans.

Did he deserve it prior to that? Of course. But we have to consider the politics of the situation.

Apparently, speaker Pelosi felt the same way. She was strong in her resistance until the Ukraine thing then she moved with Amazing speed.

And impeachment is not the same as holding him to Justice. I doubt the Senate will convict so there will be no change in his status. But what we are finding out now may eventually lead to Justice when he loses in 2020.

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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:40 PM

11. Thank God for Al Green and Steve Cohen who laid the ground in 2017!

Green:
I ask no one to support what I am doing, Mr. Green said during the interview. I believe that there are times when you have to stand alone.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:26 PM

9. I think some of them have moved on to

telling us how billionaires are wonderful and just like us, only better and we should be nice and not ask them to pay taxes!

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Response to Bettie (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 10:34 PM

10. Yes!!! Follow the motive, girl

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