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Wed Nov 20, 2019, 09:36 AM

Puppet Trump wanted his own puppet in Ukraine

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Putin's puppet, Donald Trump, wanted to be like his daddy Vladdy. He pounced on the new president of Ukraine in the hope of having his own puppet, partially to impress and please Putin, but also to show that he's a powerful dictator, too.

The investigation of the Bidens and 2016 was not as important as having the head of a foreign state announce an investigation. The announcement could be pointed to by Trump over and over for as long as there was no conclusion from the sham investigation. With no actual investigation or conclusions, it would provide fodder for unending right-wing conspiracy theories and incitement.

If Ukraine's President Zelensky had done this one favor for Trump, the next favor would be easier to secure and Trump would have his very own puppet. Trump would no longer be the odd man out in the ring of dictators he so admires.

The whistleblower blew up the wannabe dictator's "perfect" plan. Trump got caught. Is it any wonder he rages about the whistleblower?

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Reply Puppet Trump wanted his own puppet in Ukraine (Original post)
Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2019 OP
LakeArenal Nov 2019 #1
Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2019 #2
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #3
Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2019 #4
Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2019 #5
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #6
bif Nov 2019 #7
Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2019 #8
Wounded Bear Nov 2019 #9
Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2019 #11
Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #10
Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2019 #12

Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 10:15 AM

1. Wow. I think you hit on it!!!

Good one. Opened my eyes right up.

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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 10:20 AM

2. Zelensky's election was a setback for Trump

Trump started his scheme with Poroschenko, who was corrupt to the bone and therefore an easy target. Zelensky was a setback in Dirty Donald's plan, but there was the White House meeting and the military aid to hang over Zelensky's head to try to corrupt him.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 10:44 AM

3. So true! Trump didn't need it to go anywhere...he

just wanted to be able to point to it if he ran against Biden. But he got careless and too many people knew about his devious plan. And not everyone was loyal enough to him as he thought.

Personally think we haven't tied the money and greed aspect to this like we should. Trump cares zero about democracy, welfare of the Ukrainian people, or stopping Russian aggresion. Ukraine has untapped natural resources that he and people like Rick Perry want to get their grubby hands on.

And why is trump wanting to defy our intelligence community by shifting blame for 2016 hack from Russia to Ukraine? It started earlier so guess not linked to making Ukraine look more corrupt (justifying his Biden investigation scam). So what else could it be than to please Putin. Why aren't we asking these policy wonks about that?

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 11:33 AM

4. mobsters want to please their bosses

Every mobster 'lieutenant' wants to ingratiate himself to his boss, in addition to grabbing as much money as they can. Trump wants money and power; the suffering of others does not figure into his thinking at all.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 11:43 AM

5. The Russians favored Zelensky in the election hoping his inexperience would benefit them.

The incumbent Poroshenko had been fighting them militarily for years so he was obviously of no use to them.

And I don't think Zelensky was a willing Russian asset like Trump or Yanukovych; he was just an actor with no political experience and they hoped he could be pushed around easily.

And it almost worked, if it wasn't for those darn meddling kids.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:09 PM

6. At first I thought, why doesn't Zelensky go along

And do whatever. Like thinking he might have scruples because time passed. But it's becoming clear that it took some time for him to figure it out. Do wonder if there was any pause to debate the whole thing. Wish they'd ask that question - did Zelensky ever say "this all sounds fishy"

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:30 PM

7. FYI, the country's called Ukraine, not the Ukraine

Just like we're not The America. Or The Canada. (I know, I'm being nitpicky, but this always bugs me.)

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Response to bif (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:42 PM

8. thanks! didn't even notice I screwed up the title.

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Response to bif (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:45 PM

9. We've been somewhat conditioned to think of it as a geographic area...

based on terraforms, like the desert or the savanna.

It took me a while to start leaving off the "the" when speaking of Ukraine.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 01:12 PM

11. whew! it ain't just me.

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Response to bif (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 01:04 PM

10. True. It was called "the Ukraine" when part of USSR

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 11:13 PM

12. kick to get the post-hearing night gang's input

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