***IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY HEARING NOV 20 THREAD 2***

[crickets]

Other streams: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212688024#post9

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[Mike 03]

1. Sondland does NOT dispute overheard phone call. NT

[Pacifist Patriot]

3. And says he'd be surprised if the investigation WASN'T discussed.

[Pachamama]

7. I want to have the conversation content confirmed

[ancianita]

2. Thank you, crickets!

[crickets]

9. Y'welcome. I see links to fix. will do that.

[BumRushDaShow]

59. Yes thank you for getting the next thread going

I went yesterday so am bleary-eyed today.

[crickets]

63. NP, you have been working hard on these!

although I am sick that I scheduled a car appt this afternoon -trying to get it moved now!

[BumRushDaShow]

70. I think he is the only one today so I don't think this will go all day

and today's testimony will probably be just a morning session.

[crickets]

94. Laura Cooper and David Hale this afternoon.

Not the same bombshell factor as this morning, but I kinda want to hear Cooper. We'll see.

[BumRushDaShow]

121. Okay - was thinking of tomorrow's hearings!

(2 people would be left)

[dalton99a]

4. Kick

[BumRushDaShow]

5. After all that - he finally mentions "YES there was a quid pro quo"

[BuffaloJackalope]

6. "Was there a quid pro quo? Yes."

[Recursion]

8. "The answer is yes"

Boom.

[uponit7771]

10. Sounds like Sondland's going all "... I aint going to jail for these stupid mutha's ... " on Trump

[livetohike]

11. "Everyone was in the loop". n/t

[backtoblue]

17. Hes repeated it like 3 times i think too

Hes taking everyone with him

[livetohike]

23. Absolutely. Prison is not an attractive place for him. n/t

[mucifer]

12. Republicans: "quid pro quos" bribery and extortion are awesome!

[backtoblue]

13. "Everyone was in the loop"

[kentuck]

15. Like a mantra.

He keeps repeating that.

[backtoblue]

27. Hes not gonna be the fall guy

This is amazing testimony. Pompeo, Perry, Mulvaney,Bolton must testify

[Auggie]

20. Pence?

[backtoblue]

41. Yep!

Says Pence knew the aid was being held up and discussed it with Zelenskiy

[groundloop]

45. Pence has high hopes of sitting in the big chair when this is done.

It's pretty obvious that Pence wrote the 'anonymous' book. He's frothing at the mouth thinking about having the Presidency handed to him after tRump is forced out.

[crickets]

34. Singing like a canary! Everyone involved is now plotzing.

[Mersky]

14. Sondland is naming names

Counted them on his fingertips.

Everyone was in the loop (July 19) days before the president’s call.

[livetohike]

18. More people to subpoena. n/t

[SKKY]

16. Trump hasn't tweeted once since this whole thing started. That tells you all you need to know.

Done. Toast.

[YOHABLO]

21. He's on the floor.

[WheelWalker]

43. Fetal curl.

[dalton99a]

26. He and the gang are going to Austin

[Pacifist Patriot]

19. Wow, and now pausing for dramatic effect.

[YOHABLO]

25. red wine and popcorn? who knew.

[Pacifist Patriot]

30. Not much doesn't pair well with a good glass of impeachment wine.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

22. "Everyone was in the loop" & "Everything Trump Touches Dies" are my favorite phrases. nt

[nolabear]

24. I'm...I just got here. W the actual f? Is he driving a big old bus over everybody??

[oswaldactedalone]

29. Everybody

[Pacifist Patriot]

32. And swerving out of his lane to get those trying to get out of the road.

He's going full on scorched earth here.

[uponit7771]

67. lol

[AnotherMother4Peace]

39. uh oh - there goes Pence...... "I spoke with VP Pence...." nt

[oswaldactedalone]

28. The White House is full of

nothing but bald-faced liars and crooks.

[cynatnite]

31. Anyone think that this will compel Bolton to appear?

Sounds like Sonland is throwing everyone and their cats under the bus.

[oswaldactedalone]

33. Sounds right

[Pacifist Patriot]

35. I am starting to wonder if...

Bolton will volunteer to run, not walk, to the nearest committee room.

[mucifer]

42. I would love to see Bolton. He is so dramatic and screamy

he is pissed and I bet he wants the attention. Plus he knows so much and acknowledged it was illegal.

[backtoblue]

36. Pence!

Says that Zelenskiy asked Pence directly about the aid!

[CapnSteve]

37. Does he think his opening statement will keep him out of jail?

He feels slimy to me.

[oswaldactedalone]

44. He does

[AnotherMother4Peace]

47. CapnSteve - he's giving up the goods, and all you can say is "He feels slimy"? ok......

[exboyfil]

72. Because he shouldn't have been doing it

and he should have testified truthfully the first time.

By definition he is slimy, just less slimy than the rest

[CapnSteve]

92. He is giving up the goods, but it is clear to me that he thinks he can wiggle off...

...by saying “I did not know that Burisma means Bidens” Hence, slimy.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

99. You might be right, but he said that he sure knows NOW that Burisma means Biden. nt

[Pacifist Patriot]

50. If he doesn't think it, he's sure hoping like all hell it does.

Yeah, he feels slimy to me as well. Glad he's in the self-preservation camp of slimy.

[Wednesdays]

64. Like you, Republicans will try to sully his reputation

[IcyPeas]

38. "Mr. Giuliani" is trending on twitter

[XRubicon]

40. Congress should grant Sondland immunity

In case Barr tries some shit against him.

Sondland appears to be open and truthful here, no risk of granting immunity then he takes all the blame to let others walk.

[WheelWalker]

51. It's his last chance to drive the bus.

[crickets]

60. I don't know if he is telling the truth. If he is, good for him. Hope his story holds together. nt

[Siwsan]

46. I'm appalled that this sycophantic, political dilettante was involved in this, to any degree

And was functioning in areas of diplomacy that really had little, to nothing, to do with his appointment.

This tells me the only reason he got this position was they figured he'd make a great stooge.

[mucifer]

58. In the end he made a HORRIBLE stooge. But, he didn't know how to do his job

Since trump hates the EU he put an incompetent person in that post

[uponit7771]

69. +1

[llmart]

74. He bought that position with his donation.

n/t

[demmiblue]

48. Sondland is getting quite the experience for his million bucks.

Link to tweet

[BumRushDaShow]

49. Finally getting close to the end of this. AND HE'S DONE.

[rainy]

52. Awww, here it goes............

[cbdo2007]

53. Wow, finally someone standing up against Trump. This was excellent by Sondland.

[uponit7771]

79. +1, I can imagine Sondland is pissed ... he paid 1 mill for his position and all he got was ...

... a potential trip to jail.

[asiliveandbreathe]

54. Is Mcturtle worried yet???

[groundloop]

65. Hopefully..... he has the sole power to keep tRump in office (or not)

The framers of the Constitution certainly didn't foresee a crook in the Senate protecting a crook in the White House. The only way McTurtle will allow tRump to be removed is if his own political future is in danger.

[asiliveandbreathe]

102. Fur shur....article at HP

The Senate majority leader is likely to abandon the president if it appears that keeping his role is more assured if Trump is gone.

WE need to drain the swamp.....ALL of the creepy crawly critters...

[Mersky]

55. Pompass has been under the bus for a few mins

Was in the loop in preparations for the Warsaw meeting while Sondland whatsapped pompeo about putting together a pull aside face to face between tRump and Zelensky to break the 'log jam'.

[BumRushDaShow]

56. Schiff up for the first round of questions (45 minute timeframe) and then over to Goldman

[nolabear]

57. "There's a lot of new material..."

Schiff is cool as a cucumber.

[Botany]

61. Geeze, Sen. Johnson, V.P. Pence, Sec. Pompeo, Rudy, and Mulvaney

Getting really crowed under that bus.

"Everybody was in the loop."

[H2O Man]

66. A great day

for our constitutional democracy!

[Botany]

115. Bus music

[demmiblue]

62. Did someone ask for pizzazz?

Link to tweet

[crickets]

71. omg it's so true.

[llmart]

81. +1000

This should make for great entertainment on nightly news reports tonight.

[asiliveandbreathe]

89. That is "perfect"

[ismnotwasm]

114. Ha!

[Roland99]

68. Sondland saying he never mentioned "Biden" on overheard phone call

[AnotherMother4Peace]

75. I believe he said he doesn't recall saying "Biden". nt

[BumRushDaShow]

76. And he of course repeats the "I don't recall" defense

[helpisontheway]

77. Is he saying Trump never mentioned Biden? Nt

[Roland99]

86. don't think he said that...just that he didn't mention Biden

[uponit7771]

73. Boom, just hit Pompeo with the bus

[Raftergirl]

78. In the spirit of Thanksgiving

I am thankful the Republicans wanted these public hearings.

[crickets]

96. +1

[Polly Hennessey]

80. Sondland is going to need a potty break soon.

He’ll need a case of water to get through this.

[Politicub]

82. We have seen so much history over the past 7 days. But today

is unlike any other. Just wow.

[ancianita]

83. Sondland WON'T admit to Schiff -- "Not the Bidens" twice, even though quid pro quo

What the kind of legal hairsplitting is this!


"As I recall" is clever after quoting word-for-word SOME statements, but NONE of the Big Stuff.

After the wavy-gravy, no-notes but exact quotes claims, "I don't remember the readout" is disingenuous bullshit.

[NellieStarbuck]

117. This keeps it generic.

"Burisma" is just a gas company. "Bidens" is, oh, yeah, his political opponent.

[Roland99]

84. Is it me or is Sondland more equivocating, evasive, defensive, etc. now than during his opening??

[mindfulNJ]

87. Not just you

[ancianita]

91. He's got the position in writing but depending on public speech creating confusion.

He is equivocating. Especially in The People's House.

[a kennedy]

93. He is, and I don't care for that "look" he's giving

[iluvtennis]

106. + agree

[crickets]

85. Pence is not going to get out of this intact.

Somebody needs to find protection for Sondland. Keep him out of unnecessary car trips, away from windows...

[JHB]

88. ...small planes...

[crickets]

98. ...polonium pop tarts...

[livetohike]

101. Goldman is going to tear up Sondland. Seems easy to

get him to perjure himself.

[crickets]

111. I am concerned about his testimony holding together.

Sondland's arrogant attitude isn't helping him appear truthful - as opposed to opportunistic.

[uponit7771]

110. +1, no soup or tall buildings either

[Mersky]

90. Pence might be in the loop with a nod

When Sondland updated pence to his face that assistance was stalled depending on a public statement. Pence nodded yes.

A bit vague about pence’s knowing.

Amazingly, there’s still room in the loop under the back axle.

[oswaldactedalone]

95. Sondland equivocating

“I don’t recall.”

[Botany]

103. And Schiff is all over it

I don't want what you think was in the text but what you remember telling him.

[uponit7771]

104. This sounds like its relating to Taylor and Morrison's testimony which Sondland doesn't sound like

... he's been keeping up with any of it.

None of that changes his bus driving right now, I'm looking more for Pence and Pompeo to be put under the bus

[polichick]

108. And looking scared - even jiggling a bit.

[Midnightwalk]

97. Communicated by text?

Isn’t there ongoing security training and auditing?

[nini]

100. Why be vague about things that were in your opening

These people are disgusting

[polichick]

105. Schiff is really good at this.

[nolabear]

109. Cool as a cucumber.

[polichick]

116. Yes - and strategic.

[CapnSteve]

107. Schiff is brilliant! Laying Gordo's lies out, solidifying

...everyone involved.

[Botany]

122. Stanford, Harvard Law, and a US Attorney

Adam was born for this moment.

[Midnightwalk]

112. Trump was a perfect student

Someone must have kept at him that quid pro quos would get him impeached, but he didn’t get that extortion and bribery are examples of quid pro quo.

The phone call was perfect because he didnt say those 3 words

[BumRushDaShow]

113. Goldman (House Dem Committee counsel) now up.

[oswaldactedalone]

118. What is asap rocky?

[Roland99]

126. Some rapper? In Sweden on charges of something I think

Twitler was trying to get him back to US

[oswaldactedalone]

140. Thanks

Can’t name any rappers except for 75cent.

[Bayard]

119. I predict

Rethugs will hone in on him saying only, "investigations" as a general term, and not mentioning Bidens in particular. So tRump was only concerned about corruption in Ukraine.

We need that entire phone transcript.

[ancianita]

133. "I'll go with what other people say about my meetings and calls." Disingenuous.

Because "I wouldn't have said "Biden. Burisma. No Biden."

[crickets]

120. "I'll have to ask my counsel" - you mean the counsel sitting next to you?

[nolabear]

123. Sondland is the fleas you get up with when you lie down with dogs.

DAMN.

[Roland99]

124. Sondland implying his convos with trump involve a lot of crude language

Lovely

[mucifer]

125. LBJ was like that very crude

[dalton99a]

135. Omarosa was correct - Trump is low life trash

[brooklynite]

127. BREAKING: WH response to Sondland testimony

Link to tweet

[crickets]

136. And now the WH throws Rudy under the bus. Wow.

[uponit7771]

138. LOL !!! Now they're throwing Rudy under another bus !!

[polichick]

128. He reaches for his cup whenever he gets uncomfortable.

[backtoblue]

129. Confirms trump "loves your ass"

Laughter in room.


It was funny for me for about one second. This is the language and subsequent actions of the president and his advisors.

[onecaliberal]

137. If you and I were saying it, funny. The ambassador and the POTUS, not even a little in this context

[crickets]

130. LINK TO THREAD #3

Thread is live here - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212708518

[Hermit-The-Prog]

131. the wheels on the bus can't even touch the ground now

[BumRushDaShow]

132. Something about him reminds me of Felix Sater

just in the slime factor.

[asiliveandbreathe]

134. WHAT.....how is the pos supposed to classify this nuts restaurant call..

its his decision to classify or unclassify...I suppose I'm the only one who heard that..and I am delusional...okay..I accept that....I am in of this whole conversation...

[Bayard]

139. I don't think I'm dense,

But.... I don't really see the big bombshell that's going to blow everything up. I see him being kind of obnoxious, and forgetful as hell.

Ugh. Nunez up now, whine, bitch, bitch, bitch, Burisma, whine, those damn Dems, whine, whine, whine.