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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums***IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY HEARING NOV 20 THREAD 7***
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crickets
(25,989 posts)ancianita
(36,201 posts)Repubs claim their prez is being bullied by impeachment.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,654 posts)polichick
(37,152 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)was the ultimate Alpha Male Man's Man He-Man?
ancianita
(36,201 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)Of course Zelensky isnt going to say he is
BumRushDaShow
(129,875 posts)believe it or not...
elleng
(131,290 posts)gademocrat7
(10,680 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,875 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)Whistleblower claims dont change the presidents actions
crickets
(25,989 posts)It doesn't change body of evidence, just puts someone at risk.
ancianita
(36,201 posts)Just looks that way to me, so far.
Media can only go with Sondland's opening written statement to affect public opinion; if they go with testimony, they've got equivocation, which affects public opinion, too.
At least Sondland's showed up. Not sure that it's advanced the Democrats' case.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,654 posts)How about Patton Oswalt to play Quigley?
BumRushDaShow
(129,875 posts)(if he were still alive )
Pacifist Patriot
(24,654 posts)1) You're absolutely right.
2) Holy crap, I forgot he was dead. I met him in the Atlanta airport once. Seemed like a nice guy.
BumRushDaShow
(129,875 posts)and had to google "1980s cop shows" to remember his name.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,654 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,875 posts)but I know he's been gone for awhile (and would have been 100 next year).
madaboutharry
(40,245 posts)of Trump's crimes by these republicans is just so depressing.
polichick
(37,152 posts)mucifer
(23,598 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,875 posts)Blaukraut
(5,695 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,875 posts)Pacifist Patriot
(24,654 posts)The_Counsel
(1,661 posts)"quid pro quo," "bribery" or "extortion" that no evidence exists.
Whatever.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)Repeated everything she regurgitated yesterday
Mersky
(4,986 posts)About fairness after stooping so low yesterday.
Then, after a bit stewart, went into how bush withheld aid to Pakistan, etc...
Umm, I'm pretty sure those instances withholding of aid came with real foreign policy that involved bipartisan, Congressional support.
THOSE WERE NOT FOR THE PERSONAL BENEFIT OF THE SERVING PRESIDENT. THOSE WEREN'T BRIBES TO TAKEDOWN POLITICAL OPPONENTS.
Sorry for yelling. It just isn't his money to use for muddying the election.
crickets
(25,989 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,875 posts)Quoting what Drumpf said about not "knowing Sondland".
polichick
(37,152 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,875 posts)polichick
(37,152 posts)Blaukraut
(5,695 posts)madaboutharry
(40,245 posts)but the other day I read it was cold in the room and that Ambassador Yovanovitch sat with a blanket on her lap.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,654 posts)crickets
(25,989 posts)Sondland is weaseling on things like the definition of 'often.'
eta - Sondland's smug laugh has me ready to smack him.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)crickets
(25,989 posts)ancianita
(36,201 posts)opening written statement.
It's in writing, so it is something.
crickets
(25,989 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,875 posts)ancianita
(36,201 posts)president saying he wanted nothing.
GS: Yeah, it's difficult to reconcile.
luvs2sing
(2,220 posts)And has spent the afternoon pulling them out and giving them first aid. I wonder, wonder, wonder, why...hmmmmmmmmmm?
crickets
(25,989 posts)luvs2sing
(2,220 posts)Blaukraut
(5,695 posts)When was he lying? This morning or now?
ancianita
(36,201 posts)be Pompeo, Giuliani and Mulvaney, according to afternoon testimoney. Fall guys for Trump.
Without his equivocation, Dems already have evidence now about obstruction for Pompeo, conspiracy for Giuliani, obstruction from Mulvaney, and hard evidence from Trump himself.
BumRushDaShow
(129,875 posts)meow2u3
(24,775 posts)nolabear
(42,001 posts)They ought to have an intern who has this down before they even try.
BumRushDaShow
(129,875 posts)and forcing Sondland to admit that Mulvaney would have the direct line to Drumpf as "acting chief of staff" and his saying yes it was quid pro quo and "political influence".
nolabear
(42,001 posts)Mersky
(4,986 posts)Political rivals is inappropriate.
Really would like to insert his full, exact quote here.
BumRushDaShow
(129,875 posts)crickets
(25,989 posts)He really wants to come out of this smelling like a rose and it's not going to happen.
ancianita
(36,201 posts)Sondland.
madaboutharry
(40,245 posts)He did not come up through the Foreign Service, State Department, military, etc. He has no frame of reference for what a center lane even looks like. He is a dupe who was living out a pipe dream in Europe as an Ambassador. The others wanted him in on it because he wouldn't fully understand what was going on.
uponit7771
(90,370 posts)... about the Biden's until the July 25 summary was released.
NOTHING ?!
BumRushDaShow
(129,875 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,875 posts)And Sondland just fucked up with his initial answer saying "certain conditions" were justified for foreign influence in our elections and then had to correct himself.
BumRushDaShow
(129,875 posts)crickets
(25,989 posts)in order to read out the list of names of people who won't testify, including Trump. Denny Heck is good.
BumRushDaShow
(129,875 posts)He nailed him.
Bayard
(22,199 posts)When Rep. Heck talked about Sondland's family.
BumRushDaShow
(129,875 posts)He hasn't banged the desk yet and voice is a bit softer but not sure how long that will last.
EDIT - someone shoved a new battery up his butt and he just got wound up.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,654 posts)I can hear his squeals again.
JHB
(37,163 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,543 posts)Telnaes is a genius.
polichick
(37,152 posts)demmiblue
(36,911 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)He wanted to get the meeting in the WH
BumRushDaShow
(129,875 posts)crickets
(25,989 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,875 posts)Mersky
(4,986 posts)Been reported in the media. Of course it was a topic, but that doesnt make the quid pro quo scheme some bipartisan arrangement.
CNN reported the aid holdup on Aug 30 & the meeting of Murphy and johnson with Zelensky happened on Sept 5.
BumRushDaShow
(129,875 posts)where "investigations" = "Bidens".
Maloney got the applause!!!! Maloney doing a GYMSUIT on him!!
polichick
(37,152 posts)elleng
(131,290 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,875 posts)but he is probably more worried about going the way of Manafort.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)Silence abounds
PuraVidaDreamin
(4,111 posts)Who is he and from where does he hail?
Roland99
(53,342 posts)polichick
(37,152 posts)crickets
(25,989 posts)"I don't want to characterize"
"I know now, but I didn't know then"
"I understand your hypothetical"
"With 20 20 hindsight"
"Burisma not Biden"
is annoying. I am SO GLAD Maloney finally nailed him on this. He HAS NOT been forthright.
Pachamama
(16,887 posts)Wow.....
woodsprite
(11,940 posts)crickets
(25,989 posts)nolabear
(42,001 posts)Let's not forget he is trying to cover his ass.
Pachamama
(16,887 posts)crickets
(25,989 posts)but what he really got was a potential perjury charge. Refusing to answer a question when you know the answer is as bad as making up an answer. Both answers are untrue.
Siwsan
(26,315 posts)Wow. No holds barred.
nolabear
(42,001 posts)And he's getting more self important as this goes on.
blogslut
(38,021 posts)stunning
MerryBlooms
(11,776 posts)trying to cya with all his not recalling bs.
brooklynite
(94,907 posts)crickets
(25,989 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,875 posts)Mersky
(4,986 posts)I hope Maloney gets more time or someone tracks back onto where he was going with that.
meow2u3
(24,775 posts)Maloney got Sundland to admit that Trump would be the one to benefit from the fabricated investigation into the Bidens.
BumRushDaShow
(129,875 posts)re: Ghouliani blabbing about Burisma and Hunter Biden and asking him why he wouldn't have known about that back in May vs "later".
Siwsan
(26,315 posts)Really, REALLY obvious.
BumRushDaShow
(129,875 posts)Mersky
(4,986 posts)He's being a bullshitter this afternoon.
BumRushDaShow
(129,875 posts)Mersky
(4,986 posts)To volley back to giuliani's Oct 14 statement to the press that Sondland was in charge of the Ukraine deal
Sondland replied, if he was in charge he would have told tRump to have the meeting without preconditions.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,875 posts)I expect the newer ones are long gone.
BumRushDaShow
(129,875 posts)Raja just mentioned how in October praised Sondland and then a month later didn't know him.
Says his colleagues call him the "one Amigo".
nolabear
(42,001 posts)I'm beginning to think Sondland's not that bright.
Siwsan
(26,315 posts)Ego tends to be a problem. IMHO, of course.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,875 posts)nolabear
(42,001 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,875 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,875 posts)crickets
(25,989 posts)mucifer
(23,598 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,875 posts)Mersky
(4,986 posts)Desperate nefarious claim Ukraine doesn't support impeachment whistleblower gave birth (to a calf) Obama no answers no hear no see no tell.
Cow had a cow, and he's done - thank goodness
Roland99
(53,342 posts)You (GS) testified that you told them of the quid pro quo
crickets
(25,989 posts)to him. This man is no poker player. He looks ticked off.
mucifer
(23,598 posts)Siwsan
(26,315 posts)And, he's out of water!
polichick
(37,152 posts)crickets
(25,989 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,875 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)Ending with applause
BumRushDaShow
(129,875 posts)crickets
(25,989 posts)Well deserved!
budkin
(6,725 posts)GIVE IT UP!!!