I wish they would quit saying trump has done better than Obama in Ukraine

[UpInArms]

Since the fu*king republicans would not let Obama do anything

This was a congressional decision... not an administration decision

I hate these people

[LenaBaby61]

1. I wish they would quit saying trump has done better than Obama in Ukraine.

Too bad Dems won't say that Under Pres. Obama's watch, things of this nature never happened.

Dems and their messaging most of the time

[PatSeg]

10. That was annoying me

Finally Eric Swalwell corrected the record and listed the money and military equipment the U.S. provided Ukraine under Obama. It was much more than blankets and MRIs.

[doc03]

2. Obama put sanctions on Russia didn't he? Didn't Trump remove them or try to?

Manafort also removed military support for Ukraine from the Republican platform in 2016 I think?

[UpInArms]

3. Flynn

Flynn Promised Russia Sanctions Were To Be 'Ripped Up,' Top House Democrat Says

December 6, 2017 3:39 PM ET

Sanctions on Russia were to be "ripped up" early in the Trump administration, then-national security adviser Mike Flynn said on Inauguration Day, according to new information released Wednesday.

The new details suggest that President Trump and his aides not only were amenable to new negotiations with Russia about its bilateral relationship with the U.S — despite its attack on the 2016 presidential election — but had concluded by the time they took office that they would definitely void existing sanctions.

That information comes from a letter released by the top Democrat on the House Oversight Committee, Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md.

Cummings quotes an anonymous whistleblower who described conversations with a onetime business partner of Flynn's on the day Trump took office. Cummings also calls on the Oversight Committee's chairman, Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-S.C., to issue a subpoena to the White House seeking more information about Flynn and others.

"Our committee has credible allegations that President Trump's national security adviser sought to manipulate the course of international nuclear policy for the financial gain of his former business partners," Cummings wrote. "These grave allegations compel a full, credible and bipartisan congressional investigation."

[mercuryblues]

4. Even more to the point

Zelinsky was elected in April 2019. Obama was dealing with Proroshenko.

[Igel]

7. More to the point is what was actually said by the president.

Which was he didn't want lethal military aid to go to Ukraine because it would just rile up Russia and make the situation worse.

He sent non-lethal aid. The Ukrainians, even at the time, were asking for anti-tank weapons because of the tidal wave of (mostly) old Soviet tanks that were moving in convoys to support the rebels in the Donbas. And which were responsible for some of their largest defeats, with hundreds of Uk soldiers dead.

I think that was a wildly poor misreading of Putin and said so at the time.

[Mike Nelson]

5. They say nothing...

... about the previous President of Ukraine... and the uncertainty about the election. I know Obama would have a much better relationship with the new President... and we would be much farther along. The Republicans talking point is misleading, for sure.

[pnwest]

6. Swalwell just cleaned that up, pointing out

all the training Obama provided to Ukrainian armed forces, and the equipment they’d need to use that training, and wrapped that up with “Thats a whole lot more than blankets, right Ms Cooper?” She agreed its was.

[doc03]

8. Yes I heard that. I think Eric Swalwell is one of the brightest

stars of the Democratic party. I wonder why his candidacy for president didn't catch fire. Was he too moderate
for todays Democratic party or what?

[pnwest]

9. I like him a lot too, I don't know why

he didn’t catch fire, could be his low-key presence, people are looking for fire n brimstone maybe. But I believe he has a long career ahead!

[UpInArms]

11. Thank you

That gives me a bit of comfort in this horrible mess that we are living through