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FBI official under criminal investigation after altering document (Original Post) dewsgirl Nov 2019 OP
How does that prove Trump is innocent? kentuck Nov 2019 #1
Doesn't really prove much overall Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2019 #4
They are going to get as much mileage as they can out of this. dewsgirl Nov 2019 #9
Well of course they will Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2019 #12
Of course. dewsgirl Nov 2019 #17
Its this. Volaris Nov 2019 #24
You have such a way with words Cartaphelius Nov 2019 #65
Sorry if I left a non-bleach-able image in your brain...( Volaris Nov 2019 #75
I started to get a whiff of the putrid odor you described... magicarpet Nov 2019 #76
It doens't prove he is innocent - Ms. Toad Nov 2019 #20
From the linked article: tblue37 Nov 2019 #31
You do realize that very few articles about legal concepts are correct, right? n/t Ms. Toad Nov 2019 #43
This is only Barr fuckery. eos triron Nov 2019 #40
It depends entirely on what they find. Ms. Toad Nov 2019 #60
It is regarding Carter Page. Imperialism Inc. Nov 2019 #48
His office is connected to Trump Tower by an atrium, the guy dewsgirl Nov 2019 #62
Depends on what it led to. Ms. Toad Nov 2019 #64
if true evertonfc Nov 2019 #2
They are going to use this to do as much damage as they possibly can. dewsgirl Nov 2019 #5
what's that? maxsolomon Nov 2019 #46
What's going on with Carter Page MontanaMama Nov 2019 #3
Carter Page should have been easy to get a FISA warrant dewsgirl Nov 2019 #8
Me either. MontanaMama Nov 2019 #10
I guarantee, he is. dewsgirl Nov 2019 #11
I do too. triron Nov 2019 #41
So Barr has decided to leak his report in pieces for maximum effect Blaukraut Nov 2019 #6
They could be making it all up, I do not trust them one bit. dewsgirl Nov 2019 #14
No it's just a coincidence. (sarcasm) triron Nov 2019 #42
Indeed. dewsgirl Nov 2019 #49
Right? It could be something as simple as a crossed-out and signatured handwriting error.. Volaris Nov 2019 #28
With these fuckers it could be he bent a corner to keep his place. rzemanfl Nov 2019 #7
This is beyond dirty and has Barr written all over it. dewsgirl Nov 2019 #15
We better stop the impeachment right now!!!1111 XRubicon Nov 2019 #13
I don't trust them a single bit. dewsgirl Nov 2019 #16
Alter how? Did he send in a copy instead of a original I'll wait until the report is out MattP Nov 2019 #18
I think it will be out tonight. dewsgirl Nov 2019 #19
Pretty sure Dec 9 is the release date. Imperialism Inc. Nov 2019 #56
I thought that was something different. OK so leak dewsgirl Nov 2019 #58
I could be wrong. Imperialism Inc. Nov 2019 #61
Wolf Blitzer is looking Hopeful LuvLoogie Nov 2019 #21
🙄 dewsgirl Nov 2019 #22
I go the opposite of what barr says bluestarone Nov 2019 #23
Dude looks like somebody shot two tiny olives into a snowbank and then Maru Kitteh Nov 2019 #25
LOL😆 dewsgirl Nov 2019 #27
The Republicans involved in Ukrainegate Iliyah Nov 2019 #26
I think whatever this is, Barr is in it up to his neck. dewsgirl Nov 2019 #29
Agreed. Iliyah Nov 2019 #30
I hope there are enough left to fight back. dewsgirl Nov 2019 #32
How convenient. GoCubsGo Nov 2019 #33
Exactly, I don't trust them bit. dewsgirl Nov 2019 #35
the Barr Show... stillcool Nov 2019 #34
I want to roll my eyes, but his Opus Del beliefs and the way dewsgirl Nov 2019 #51
I hate to write this but I find it very hard to believe when the underthematrix Nov 2019 #36
It really is and only getting worse, and the pace is intensifying dewsgirl Nov 2019 #39
If I were much younger I would seriously consider that. triron Nov 2019 #71
I bet this was the subject of the animated convo. Acosta and dewsgirl Nov 2019 #37
Animated good? Animated bad? Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2019 #50
They didn't differentiate, just animated. dewsgirl Nov 2019 #54
He (Page) was never charged with anything was he? DURHAM D Nov 2019 #38
I don't think getting a FISA warrant on Page would have been a problem. dewsgirl Nov 2019 #45
I think Carter Page flipped Baked Potato Nov 2019 #57
I don't think so. dewsgirl Nov 2019 #63
This a another Barr disinformation gambit. He plays Putin and Trump's game/ triron Nov 2019 #44
our attorney general hard at work.... spanone Nov 2019 #47
The timing is interesting Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2019 #52
I think they could tie Bibi's Iliyah Nov 2019 #59
Here we go, the weaponization of the DOJ. I don't believe a single syllable. onecaliberal Nov 2019 #53
100 percent agree. dewsgirl Nov 2019 #55
+1 uponit7771 Nov 2019 #72
Update, girl: Leghorn21 Nov 2019 #66
It looks this is shaping up to be just a distraction, an dewsgirl Nov 2019 #69
A clerical error? Johnny2X2X Nov 2019 #67
+1 uponit7771 Nov 2019 #73
It's BS. Iliyah Nov 2019 #68
I think all of it is likely to keep the base distracted. It sounds dewsgirl Nov 2019 #74
The change could have been to the favor of Page/Trump, no? Roland99 Nov 2019 #70

kentuck

(111,056 posts)
1. How does that prove Trump is innocent?
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 08:23 PM
Nov 2019

Sort of like, "Hunter Biden was working with Burisma." What does that have to do with bribing the Ukrainians for help in the next election?

I fail to see the correlation to any crimes by Donald Trump and the minor crimes of others?

Volaris

(10,269 posts)
24. Its this.
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 08:57 PM
Nov 2019

This might be a dead horse or it might not be, but oh boy are they gonna fuck it till it smells bad..

 

Cartaphelius

(868 posts)
65. You have such a way with words
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 10:22 PM
Nov 2019

that I can actually envision Gym J and Ratfinc taking turns....

🤦?♂️🤢

magicarpet

(14,124 posts)
76. I started to get a whiff of the putrid odor you described...
Fri Nov 22, 2019, 11:22 AM
Nov 2019

.... I ran to the medicine cabinet then dabbed some Vicks to my nostrils and the area under my nose.

[Hot sex with a dead carcass,... that is so Rethug.]


Ms. Toad

(34,004 posts)
20. It doens't prove he is innocent -
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 08:42 PM
Nov 2019

But - there are very strict rules to follow in order to obtain a FISA warrant.

It is the equivalent of lying to obtain a regular search warrant - even if the target really is a criminal, any evidence that flows from the warrant may be kept out of court (even if the persion is guilty) in order to protect all of our rights.

So - this is potentially a BIG deal, even though it has no bearing on whether he is guilty or not.

tblue37

(65,227 posts)
31. From the linked article:
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 09:07 PM
Nov 2019
Some witnesses who have been interviewed in Horowitz's investigation have said they expect the inspector general to find mistakes in the FBI's handling of the FISA process, but that those mistakes do not undermine the premise for the FBI's investigation.

Ms. Toad

(34,004 posts)
60. It depends entirely on what they find.
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 09:59 PM
Nov 2019

If the information on which the warrant was based was falsified
If it was the only information (or the key piece of information) on which the warrant was based
How many warrants there were - and what was gathered as a result of the warrants
If (assuming normal criminal procedural rules - without pulling the statute to confirm) those executing the warrant were (or should have been) aware of th eany falsification.

There's a lot we don't know at this stage - but it could be a very big deal (regardless of all of the criminal activit it

Imperialism Inc.

(2,495 posts)
48. It is regarding Carter Page.
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 09:36 PM
Nov 2019

He wasn't found guilty of anything so no worries about that situation here.

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
62. His office is connected to Trump Tower by an atrium, the guy
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 10:02 PM
Nov 2019

is covered in Russian dirt. But you're right, he wasn't charged.

Ms. Toad

(34,004 posts)
64. Depends on what it led to.
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 10:04 PM
Nov 2019

Fruit of the poisonous tree, and all - you have to unravel the thread of everything that flowed from any tainted warrants. (The contention was that it doesn't alter Trump's guilt - which is accurate. But from a legal perspective, whether it alters his gilt or not is pretty much irrelevant, if it taints threads that lead to Trump.)

MontanaMama

(23,296 posts)
3. What's going on with Carter Page
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 08:24 PM
Nov 2019

these days?

ETA: I wonder if we will find out that Barr is mixed up in this?

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
8. Carter Page should have been easy to get a FISA warrant
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 08:27 PM
Nov 2019

on. No alteration needed. I don't know, I know, I don't trust whatever this is.

Blaukraut

(5,693 posts)
6. So Barr has decided to leak his report in pieces for maximum effect
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 08:25 PM
Nov 2019

As long as we don't know how the document was altered, they can make hay with just the insinuation that something untoward was going on.

Volaris

(10,269 posts)
28. Right? It could be something as simple as a crossed-out and signatured handwriting error..
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 09:02 PM
Nov 2019

But expect the desperate GOP to go grasping at straws.

If this is legit (like a court says 'yeah you fucked up buddy') it will fuel deep state coup conspiracy theories among the right for at least as long as the Kennedy assassination...what fun..

rzemanfl

(29,554 posts)
7. With these fuckers it could be he bent a corner to keep his place.
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 08:26 PM
Nov 2019

I don't trust Barr and with good reason.

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
58. I thought that was something different. OK so leak
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 09:51 PM
Nov 2019

the date and try to shape the story, to fit their narrative. Maybe that's what they are doing? I know the Magat's and bots were all over this story, like rabid wolves as soon as CNN reported it.

Imperialism Inc.

(2,495 posts)
61. I could be wrong.
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 10:00 PM
Nov 2019

Article says FBI thing will be part of IG report and that is coming on Dec 9. I thought I heard something was coming tonight too, but maybe it was just this leak?

Maru Kitteh

(28,325 posts)
25. Dude looks like somebody shot two tiny olives into a snowbank and then
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 09:00 PM
Nov 2019

shaped a creepy skull around it.

Narrator: "Mr. Page's wardrobe has been furnished by . . . VLAD'S WAREHOUSE . . . the last place you will ever need to shop. We insist.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
26. The Republicans involved in Ukrainegate
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 09:00 PM
Nov 2019

are pointing finger at each other. The damn has broken. Criminal Barr covered up the WB's complaint, He should recuse himself.

The Public has not seen the Mueller Report. What Criminal Barr is doing should put in behind bars.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
30. Agreed.
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 09:06 PM
Nov 2019

I also think the IC has and will continue to fight back.

Criminal Barr and the Republicans favor most heartily the Russians over The United States of America.

GoCubsGo

(32,075 posts)
33. How convenient.
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 09:13 PM
Nov 2019

Don't be surprised if this is another one of their "muddy the waters with an unfounded accusation" stunts. They put it out there, so that people start to question things, and then when it proves to be false, it gets printed in a tiny column on page 16B, while everyone still believes it to be true. Same shit, different day.

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
51. I want to roll my eyes, but his Opus Del beliefs and the way
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 09:40 PM
Nov 2019

he is globe trotting for Putin I find equally ridiculous and terrifying. He is cocky for a reason, he thinks he won't get caught and for now he is right.

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
36. I hate to write this but I find it very hard to believe when the
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 09:15 PM
Nov 2019

Criminals in the White House and the #DeptofCorruption have defied duly authorized congressional subpoenas.

I've already started talking to my husband about moving to Canada because the situation America is in is extremely dangerous for all Americans. All of us.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,396 posts)
50. Animated good? Animated bad?
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 09:38 PM
Nov 2019

Like yay, we found *something* bad on somebody (other than Trump)? Or, "Is this the best you could do?"

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
45. I don't think getting a FISA warrant on Page would have been a problem.
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 09:26 PM
Nov 2019

He was already under FISA in 2013/2014 for working with the Russians once.

Leghorn21

(13,523 posts)
66. Update, girl:
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 10:26 PM
Nov 2019
New info just added on our story tonight about this
IG discovery/Durham criminal investigation. It was an
FBI line attorney (meaning not top level) who’s no
longer with the FBI






No investigation needed - just the announcement of one, eh?

meh

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
69. It looks this is shaping up to be just a distraction, an
Thu Nov 21, 2019, 10:45 PM
Nov 2019

attempt to steer the narrative. It is working on the right, they are devouring this like wolves and of course _____(insert
left wing boogey man here) Brennan, Comey, McCabe, Strock, Page, Clinton, etc. will be locked up immediately.

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
74. I think all of it is likely to keep the base distracted. It sounds
Fri Nov 22, 2019, 08:48 AM
Nov 2019

like whoever may have done it was a lower level staffer and it didn't really change anything.

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