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Josh Marshall
Just for clarity, the "Crowdstrike" conspiracy theory holds precisely that Russia was FRAMED by Ukraine and the DNC. So yes, the conspiracy theory not only holds that Ukraine is guilty but that Russia is innocent. Russia was framed by Ukraine and the DNC.
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Hermit-The-Prog
(33,321 posts)That's all the GOPers need to know.
Sogo
(4,986 posts)OAITW r.2.0
(24,449 posts)Would appear the GOP is all in with exonerating Putin. Trump could become the USA Syndicate head and the Republicans can be the new single Party of the USA..
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)JonLP24
(29,322 posts)Unfortunately it is not just Republicans that believe but many progressives that are angry about the DNC e-mails don't buy that Russia is behind the hack. They even go far as to say Russia is just a excuse for Hillary Clinton losing the election but they don't realize the FBI would still be investigating Trump's campaign & Russia if Hillary Clinton won and I bet the narrative would be Hillary Clinton is going after her political opponents.
MFGsunny
(2,356 posts)So much for MF45's Russian a$$et status.
It's gonna be a lose-lose. And the repukes on this committee try to live in delusion. STILL.
I get it that MF45 may not be convicted by repukes in the Senate, but he will NOT be re-elected. Evah.
We know "The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice".
Let justice prevail.
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Clash City Rocker
(3,396 posts)In reality, hes an American citizen, of Russian ancestry.
https://www.salon.com/2019/11/19/trumps-still-pushing-the-crowdstrike-conspiracy-theory-but-why-and-where-did-it-come-from/
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,582 posts)My theory:
1. Trump declares Russia 100% innocent in the 2016 election and blames any meddling on completely on the DNC and Ukraine, based on "overwhelming evidence," that is to say, Putin told him so.
2. This narrative is parroted by Republicans and RW radio/tv.
3. Trump announces the end of sanctions, saying, "They were another big stupid Obama mistake that Donald Trump would never have made." (Egotists often refer to themselves in the third person, a grammatical technique called illeism.)
4. Russia goes to the World Court and sues the U.S. for lost profits, interest and penalties. The U.S. DOJ -- under AG Barr -- agrees to abide by a decision by the Court and does not contest the case, resulting in a multi-billion award to Russia (Putin) which is paid for by the American taxpayer.
5. Putin pops champagne corks. Mission accomplished!
6. Trump get to build Trump Tower Moscow.
I'm trying to avoid creating another conspiracy theory, but money makes the world go around. I hope I'm wrong. I'm hoping to see Fat Donnie and his crowd of bandits in orange jumpsuits one day.
WyattKansas
(1,648 posts)All of tRump's Ukraine / Biden scheme started happening months ago, long before the first Democratic Primary. Yes, Biden was considered a top front runner, but he has never come close in previous runs for President. And no offense to anyone, he is prone to have gaffs that could be exploited by republicans. In other words, it is a little premature to hatch an ill advised plan on a maybe possible opponent at that point, especially with how inept it was. How sure was tRump that Biden had the Primary locked up, when nobody else knows?
Now, corruption of Ukraine is Russia's go to plan with taking down that country. However, there are still several (if not a lot more) Russian BOTS and propaganda pushers doing very well with working with republican fantasies today. We know from previous investigations that those same Russian BOTS were targeting the 2016 Primaries as well in their tampering with the U.S. election process. Kill two birds (Ukraine and the Dems) with one shot.
Just consider what Putin may have been trying to do, and we all know that it is possible that tRump and his republican stooges may very well be 'all in' on the plan as well. Could Putin have directed a damaging smear on Biden that tRump screwed up? Now with Leningrad Lindsey opening a Senate investigation on the Bidens just to get that smear on Joe Biden. With what Russia kept in place after 2016 and even further weaponized, I could see another close Democratic Primary playing out... If Biden is the Democratic nominee, then Russia starts pounding him with BS like they did to Hillary in 2016. Or maybe it could be used to exploit a fracture in the Democratic Party if it's possible that Biden would be a damaged nominee, like Hillary in 2016 - that the Russians orchestrated.
How close would tRump and the Russian Republicans be to such a scheme that hasn't completely played out yet and is more still occurring in this Impeachment Investigation???
1) Why were they so sure Biden was the Democratic nominee before the Primary?
2) What else is Putin playing behind the scenes with or without tRump & republicans???