Cenk Uygur's baggage is all on camera and it's disqualifying

[Otto Lidenbrock]

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[stonecutter357]

1. K&R

[Cha]

96. "Cenk's political rivals think they can smear him with actual video clips of him saying the shit

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stonecutter

[DFW]

2. For a while I used to play his podcasts until I couldn't stand it any more

Back in the Cheney-Bush days, I started out thinking everyone on cable or Air America must be a hero.

Uygur was one of the first that I blew off as a self-aggrandizing blowhard. Some people you think are on your side are only on your side as long as you're more on their side.

[hlthe2b]

4. Yup. Ditto.

It was painful to see him "lionized" on DU by those who thought TYT was our answer to RW radio and Fox.

I won't focus much time on Ana Kasparian, but, like the Fox female hosts who give their most despicable male hosts cover for every misogynistic or other deplorable comments, she holds little respect with me.

[IronLionZion]

13. He's made anti-Armenian comments in the past also

which he has since apologized for and admitted he didn't know the facts but I think that's why he needed an Armenian co-host.

[DFW]

26. I didn't even know who his current co-host is

It convinces me he likes Armenians about as much as the Republicans having Tim Scott in the Senate convinces me they suddenly like POC.

[IronLionZion]

30. Ana Kasparian has been his long-time co-host

She's Armenian-American. Cenk is a Turkish immigrant.

[DFW]

34. Shows how long it has been since I paid him any attention

I wouldn't have known.

[Jewls2]

25. Right. Right there with you.

[TidalWave46]

3. He is a dirt bag who has a way of talking to...

The lowest common denominator on the left.

[pazzyanne]

20. Totally agree wholeheartedly!!!

[IronLionZion]

5. DUers can support Christy Smith, a liberal Democrat in that race

https://www.christyforcongress.org/

[dalton99a]

8. +1

[DinahMoeHum]

22. And she actually lives in CA-25. . .

She sent a rather amusing tweet regarding Cenk and "Pizzagate" conspiracy theorist Mike Cernovich (who also lives outside CA-25) over the prospect of a debate between those 2 carpetbaggers:

Link to tweet

Here’s an idea. How about all of you man spread in your own damn districts?! #CA25 belongs to #CA25

[demmiblue]

51. !

[Cha]

61. Mahalo for this on Christy Smith, ILZ!

[DownriverDem]

6. Well

it could depend on the district he is running in. Anyone too far left might have good ideas, but they won't win in the General Election. They turn voters off.

[Turin_C3PO]

11. The problem isn't his left wing positions.

It’s his right wing douchebaggery that’s the problem. He’s a sexist.

[JHB]

103. ...aaaaaand how quickly he embraced and flacked for any, any, any claim against Hillary

He was prime chumpage for RW and Russian trolls and disinformation.

[MrModerate]

7. Yeah, whatever it is his career has prepared Uygur to do...

…it ain't being an elected official.

[Wounded Bear]

9. Tell that to Donald Trump...

Suddenly, celebrity is a qualification for office. Well, not that suddenly, Reagan did it back in the 80's.

[MrModerate]

14. I do, whenever I shout at him on TV. n/t

[maddiemom]

17. In the Eighties, Reagan proved to be much better actor than anyone had thought.

Trump is not even an actor, except in playing to his base...he's a genius to the Deplorables.

[TwilightZone]

18. I always used to joke that Reagan was a much better actor in DC than in Hollywood.

[Wounded Bear]

29. My line was that he was a B actor in the role of his life...

[Mopar151]

101. Better writers....

And a role overplayed in previous productions.

[comradebillyboy]

19. Reagan won two terms as governor of California before he ran for President.

He was no political novice.

[cwydro]

33. True dat.

Easy to forget that sometimes, but he apparently knew what he was doing. First term anyway.

[IronLionZion]

12. Entertainers get attention and name recognition

but sure it's not the best preparation for being an elected official. We saw Al Franken thrown out for his past actions while working as an entertainer.

[MrModerate]

15. One of the dumbest things Dems have ever done. n/t

[paleotn]

10. The moral of this story is...

Don't lionize and hero worship anyone, particularly if they're saying what you want to hear. Agree with them if they make sense. Feel free to disagree, strongly if necessary, when they don't, especially when what they're saying isn't corroborated by experts. Above all, think for yourself. Research for yourself. Listen to different points of view. And don't take anyone's word as absolute gospel, free from fact checking. We're all human and the moment you turn one of us into a hero, we will disappoint you. We all have frailties, foibles and character flaws. Some, like Uygur, seem to have more character flaws than most. Some, like Barrack Obama are on the exact opposite side of the curve, but are still human. Still makes mistakes.

That's not my wisdom. I still hear dad's voice in the back of my head. I don't always follow his advice, even when he was alive. He never claimed to be wise or anything like that. He was just around for a long time and stumbled into many pitfalls he wanted his kids to stay out of.

[reACTIONary]

16. +100 ...

... the bane of the cult of personality can afflict any faction, group or party. Support those who, on balance, offer the best leadership, but remember that the balance has two pans.

[Hortensis]

87. Agree. The most truth-oriented and balanced candidates and

parties will draw some cultists in spite of who they are.

Remembering the subset prone to noisy acting out who were passionate supporters of socialist Ralph Nader in 2000 and 2004, then of mainstream Democratic liberal policy wonk Hillary (!) in 2008, and then of socialist Sanders in 2016 and 2019. Interviews reveal they included a lot of the same people.

The difference is that candidates and groups do not draw the same numbers or types and are usually "afflicted" to very different degrees by different people. Some have cultists as their base, others as a happy little subnote of those who just need to adore their leader.

Many look for leaders who specifically reject balance, and always find the Cenks, etc. Look at the enduring popularity of Sanders' perennial message that Democrats are so much like Republicans that it usually doesn't matter who wins. He's been running on this message his entire political life, and moving to balance would lose him most of his following, certainly all his dedicated base.

Very fortunately most us are like Paleotn. Some more than others. Being someone I'd like to have a beer with isn't anywhere on my list.

[bucolic_frolic]

21. Cenk has been doing his own thing all along

It's not that he's not bright, progressive in many ways. I think he's conflicted by the media company he owns, isn't that his background? He's also masculine in a little bit rough way around the edges, he's just a big dominant guy with opinions and expresses them in an assertive macho way. He's not meant to be a politician, but he'll have to find that out in the primaries.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

27. He's much worse than being masculine in "a rough way about the edges."

He's grotesquely misogynistic, and I hope he gets his rough masculine ass handed to him.

[Alithea]

36. With respect, I disagree.

I think calling him "grotesquely misogynistic" is wildly hyperbolic.

[NurseJackie]

38. No it's not. It's "toxic masculinity" ...

I think calling him "grotesquely misogynistic" is wildly hyperbolic.

No it's not. It's "toxic masculinity". Have you even bothered to read the shit he's written. It's so bad that it was too much for the Justice Democrats to stand.

[Cha]

45. Creepy cenk's Divisive crap on the Dem House..

Link to tweet

Cenk Uygur
✔

@cenkuygur
· Nov 28, 2018

Democrats rejected Barbara Lee for leadership. They are useless. Guaranteed this corrupt Democratic leadership will do nothing but middling knick-knacks. Let's just fight already. They're never going to fight for progressive priorities.
https://www.
huffingtonpost.com/entry/hakeem-j
effries-house-democratic-caucus-chair_us_5bfeadb9e4b030172fa931fa?ncid=engmodushpmg00000004
… via @HuffPostPol

Hiver

@HiverAmbroise

This is a counterproductive hot take. He's a progressive hard worker and reflective of these calls for new, fresh leadership. Add this kind of backbiting that Republicans dont do.

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7:27 AM - Nov 28, 2018

cenk is "counterproductive".

[JonLP24]

76. What is wrong with supporting Barbara Lee?

I love Barbara Lee.

Supporting Barbara Lee over Hakeem Jeffries isn't proof of much of anything.

[Cha]

78. That's not the point of that tweet..

as I said in my Reply Title..

"Creepy cenk's Divisive crap on the Dem House.."

There was an election fair and square.. so what does Divisive, Creep cenk do.. he insults the Dem who won by calling Hakeem Jeffries "corrupt"..

They are useless. Guaranteed this corrupt Democratic leadership will do nothing but middling knick-knacks.

And there's nothing wrong with Rep Barbara Lee.. she's great and was gracious in her congratulations to Hakeem Jeffries.. unlike bitter sour grapes cenk.

You know who's "useless"? cenk.

[Alithea]

63. I've watched many many hours of TYT over the years. I've read a compiliation of the

things he's said over the years that are likely to give offense.

I have to stand by my first statement. If you really think that a guy who has been an outspoken progressive for the past 15-some years, a guy who has chosen an outspoken female co-host, one who has chosen to continue to work with him for 10+ years - if you think that guy is a "grotesque woman-hater" because he said some douchey frat-boy things 20 years ago, then I can't help you. You're going to have no words left in the English language with which to express appropriate levels of outrage when you encounter the much worse that is out there in the world.

[NurseJackie]

65. Clearly I have higher standards.

[Cha]

69. That doesn't matter to me.. you're not addressing

cenk's horrible sexism on record and his ugly disingenuous Divisiveness

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Progressive Group Ousts Cenk Uygur Over Past Sexist Writing

The Justice Democrats ousted Cenk Uygur, one of its founding board members and a creator of progressive online network The Young Turks, following the Thursday revelation that Uygur had authored sexist blogposts in the early 2000s.

The left-leaning political organization, which Uygur and others established this year to support progressive primary challenges against Democratic incumbents in Congress, made the announcement Friday. The group also severed ties with David Koller, who co-founded The Young Turks with Uygur and served as Justice Democrats’ treasurer. A 2004 blogpost in which Koller used degrading language about women he and Uygur met on a road-trip surfaced this week as well.

“The words and conduct in Mr. Uygur and Mr. Koller’s posts degrade what it means to be a Justice Democrat,” Justice Democrats executive director Saikat Chakrabarti said in a Friday evening statement announcing the board’s decision to demand Uygur and Koller’s resignations. “We do not feel that Mr. Uygur is fit to lead or participate in an organization that truly believes women’s issues and the issues of black and brown people are all of our issues.”

The Justice Democrats board reached its decision to call for their departures after hearing Uygur’s “side of the story” and consulting with the political candidates the group has endorsed, Chakrabarti said.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/justice-democrats-ousts-cenk-uygur_us_5a3eb4d1e4b025f99e178181

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[Jewls2]

70. Anne would tell her women audience to not worry about his misogyny, too.

Guys are just built that way.

Very low standards.

[JonLP24]

77. He used to be a Republican

He acknowledged many statements that he doesn't agree with could come back to haunt him because he used to be a Republican.

[George II]

89. Uygur became a Democrat in 2016. That's even later than Sanders.

[NurseJackie]

92. Wasn't he funded by Republicans at one time?

Apparently someone in the GOP saw that he would be valuable in his divisive rhetoric, misogyny, and general feelings of hostility and contempt toward Democrats the Democratic party... so a LOT of money was thrown his way to get the ball rolling. I guess they're now viewing it as a worthwhile investment. Mission accomplished.

[George II]

94. Republicans AND Russia Today. No thanks.

[NurseJackie]

95. Well, that certainly explains a LOT about him and TYT, doesn't it?

Republicans AND Russia Today. No thanks.

Well, that certainly explains a LOT about him and TYT, doesn't it? Even the "Young Turks" moniker is offensive, IMO. Is he (and are his fans and defenders) completely and totally OBLIVIOUS?

[NurseJackie]

111. Goodbye!

[TwilightZone]

39. Nah, the shoe fits.

“Obviously, the genes of women are flawed,” Uygur wrote in a 1999 post lamenting the inadequate amount of sex he was having while living in Miami, Florida. “They are poorly designed creatures who do not want to have sex nearly as often as needed for the human race to get along peaceably and fruitfully.”

In a 2002 entry in which Uygur described the “rules of dating,” he specified that “there must be orgasm by the fifth date.” And in a 2003 column, he described drunken revelry at Mardi Gras in New Orleans, Louisiana, where he “kissed over 23 different women, saw and felt countless breasts.”

In addition, a 2004 post by Koller described teenage girls that he and Uygur met near a gas station in Pennsylvania as “whores in training, literally looking for boys to pick them up.”

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/justice-democrats-ousts-cenk-uygur_n_5a3eb4d1e4b025f99e178181

"Uygur’s public fondness for Miami women was still on display as recently as 2013, when he tweeted about their “improbable” breasts and butts.

The improbable breasts in Miami are only matched by the improbable butts. This place makes LA look real. #Miami

— Cenk Uygur (@cenkuygur) June 28, 2013

Just when I think Miami is all done, it pulls me back in. The women on this island are outrageously, almost unacceptably, hot. #Miami

— Cenk Uygur (@cenkuygur) June 30, 2013

https://www.thewrap.com/young-turks-cenk-uygur-blog-breasts-women-flawed/

[Cha]

43. Thanks for posting that.. here's cenk on the Dem House..

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[George II]

90. Anyone who is financed by Russia Today and Buddy Roehmer is not one I admire (I'm being nice).

[George II]

100. Really? Read this from Justice Democrats:

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[beastie boy]

23. The links show his disgusting attributes as a person. Add to it years of Hillary bashing on Putin TV

(aka RT) and you can pretty much get the complete picture of what kind of a disgusting politician he is expected to become. Comparing him to Nunes would be favorable to Nunes.

[bonniebgood]

24. I'm Always Hearing that the 'far left' turns off voters. Tell me when does the far

right turns off their voters or majority voters? Examples Please.

[Quackers]

72. On the right

If you don’t back Trump, he has deemed them nevertrumpers and has also said they’re worse than a Democrat, they’re human scum. So whenever their side turns off a voter, the blame doesn’t go on the politician, it goes directly onto that voter and they’re destroyed. That’s one reason some of them are afraid to speak out and also why it seems they’re more united than we are.

[ismnotwasm]

28. This nation elected Trump

Wouldn’t be surprised if ol Cenk slid in somewhere. He was quite the darling during the last presidential election, much to my disgust

[LiberalFighter]

31. Never much of a fan of him. Stopped reading his stuff years ago. Never watched him.

[cwydro]

32. I can't stand him.

Sadly, when I expressed that here once before I was essentially called a racist.

[Alithea]

35. Could we please stop with the personal attacks and unrealistic purity tests among the left?

They make this space feel persecutorial and oppressive. We have much bigger problems in the world to solve, and instead of starting to eat our own, we need to work together to solve them. There is much more that unites us than divides us.

[Cha]

40. What?! The OP is exposing cenk for who he is..

not some "purity test" as you assert.

And, FYI.. cenk is the ultimate Divider.

[Cha]

44. More on cenk's creepy divisive Crap..

Link to tweet

[demmiblue]

49. ...

[Jewls2]

71. Someone who has done nothing but talk trash about our Democratic leaders, women and girls?

Unrealistic? To expect more from someone running as a Democrat. I gotta ask why you have such low expectations.

[Alithea]

99. That's a fair question. Let me try to answer it...

I'm not sure I would describe it as low expectations, though perhaps you have a point.

Rather, I would say that:

1) If we are sincerely concerned about a problem (e.g. misogyny), we should attack it where it is worst, not where it fails to live up to perfection. Yes, I understand that we can walk and chew gum at the same time, but I don't understand why the OP would want to so virulently attack Cenk, when there are much better targets, if her concern is actually misogyny. To take an example from, oh, just yesterday, this asshat:

2) I am less bothered by frat-boy crap said 20 years ago because:
(a) I was an adult 20 years ago and it was not that shocking then and much of it was in jest;
(b) I've seen frat-boys become grown men and I know that almost zero % of them went on to become progressives trying to fight the good fight, so if one of them does, I notice it as an exceptional move and I'm wiling to cut him some slack and forgive.
(c) I've worked in male-dominated environments where there was real discrimination against women; discrimination that impacted not only feelings and sensibilities, not only relative earnings, but also the continued ability to work and provide for one's family. There, I stood and spoke up and defended others, even when it was unpopular, and even at a cost to myself. These types of problems continue to exist, and I think we could more usefully turn our energies to trying to fix these real things, than in attacking someone on our side for having said things 20 years ago that no longer accord with his or society's standards (and cherry-picking the worst of what he may have said, as if this defines him as a person forevermore).

3) My comment was not really about trying to defend Cenk in particular (I don't feel strongly about him either way), but rather to voice some opposition to the almost fundamentalist fervor and atmosphere of vitriolic persecution that seems to have crept into the civic space in the last few years, and which leaves little room for reasoned discourse of ideas and policies on their merits. I find it chilling, and ultimately unhelpful towards our common goal of building a better society.
I'm reminded of this warning by Nietzsche: "But thus I counsel you, my friends: Mistrust all in whom the impulse to punish is powerful. They are people of a low sort and stock; the hangmen and the bloodhound look out of their faces."
On a lighter note, this too:

4) "trash talk about our Democratic leaders"
Firstly, I wasn't aware of this, so thanks for bringing it to my attention. Secondly, now that I am aware, I still tend less towards blindly circling the wagons than I do towards learning what the differences on policy are, to see whether I agree or disagree. If I believe the ideas are better ones, that they would serve the Dems and the country well, I would support them. If I don't, I'd pass. (BUT, if we would lose the election with ideas like that, I'll reject them even if they sound good, because these are not times when we can afford to lose seats.) That said, I do think it's bad for him to criticize Democratic leaders too much if he intends to join the party. Infighting leaves us all weaker.


Well, that was long. I hope it wasn't too boring and that it provides some context. Thanks for posing the question; it gave me the opportunity to reflect and tease out my thoughts on this.

[Skidmore]

37. Uygur is extremely divisive.

I stopped listening to him years ago. He started sounding like Limbaugh or Hannity. Plenty of screeching and hate.

[NewJeffCT]

41. Cenk was the one that promoted the primary challengers to Feinstein last year

if I recall.

While DiFi is too moderate for me, she's been in the Senate forever and deserves to step down on her own terms barring some scandal

[Cha]

42. ol cenk on the Dem House he wants to be a part of..

Link to tweet

[Cha]

46. cenk's a divisive hater..

Link to tweet

[Anyone]

108. Absolutely..

The trouble is that he hasn't figured out how to turn that into an asset the way that trump does..

[Lizzie Boredom]

47. Still better than any Republican

[NurseJackie]

48. Oh brother! That's a VERY low standard. This is not West Virginia we're talking about...

Still better than any Republican

Oh brother! That's a VERY low standard.

This is not West Virginia we're talking about... and it's not as though he's the "best we can hope for" and it's not as though the only other option is an actual Republican.

[Lizzie Boredom]

55. Who said he is? Who said it is?

Still better than any Republican.

[NurseJackie]

56. Uh-huh...

Who said he is? Who said it is? Still better than any Republican.

Uh-huh. The meaning and comparison was clear. It's an attempt to make him an "acceptable" candidate. Fact is, he's very divisive and toxic and "better than a Republican" is a very weak defense of him.

[Lizzie Boredom]

57. Of course he's acceptable.

Compared to a Republican.

I don't need to defend him. I have no vote in this primary, and I'll be surprised if he wins. But if he does, he's the one to support. It should go without saying, unless you're a Republican.

[NurseJackie]

59. Uh-huh...

[marble falls]

75. Nice job of playing out enough rope!!

[NurseJackie]

82. Well, I think it just goes to show...

... that personal insults and disparaging accusations are best avoided.

[Cha]

107. that bar is low

[pwb]

50. I stopped listening to him.

A few years now.

[davsand]

52. Like him or not he's running as a Dem.

He's said a lot of disgusting shit, but he's running in as a Dem and self IDs as one.

[Cha]

54. So? We don't like him and this is Vetting.

Link to tweet

Justice Dems kicked him out..

Progressive Group Ousts Cenk Uygur Over Past Sexist Writing

The Justice Democrats ousted Cenk Uygur, one of its founding board members and a creator of progressive online network The Young Turks, following the Thursday revelation that Uygur had authored sexist blogposts in the early 2000s.

The left-leaning political organization, which Uygur and others established this year to support progressive primary challenges against Democratic incumbents in Congress, made the announcement Friday. The group also severed ties with David Koller, who co-founded The Young Turks with Uygur and served as Justice Democrats’ treasurer. A 2004 blogpost in which Koller used degrading language about women he and Uygur met on a road-trip surfaced this week as well.

“The words and conduct in Mr. Uygur and Mr. Koller’s posts degrade what it means to be a Justice Democrat,” Justice Democrats executive director Saikat Chakrabarti said in a Friday evening statement announcing the board’s decision to demand Uygur and Koller’s resignations. “We do not feel that Mr. Uygur is fit to lead or participate in an organization that truly believes women’s issues and the issues of black and brown people are all of our issues.”

The Justice Democrats board reached its decision to call for their departures after hearing Uygur’s “side of the story” and consulting with the political candidates the group has endorsed, Chakrabarti said.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/justice-democrats-ousts-cenk-uygur_us_5a3eb4d1e4b025f99e178181

[TDale313]

60. He's not the only Dem in this race.

His problematic, demeaning comments about women are a reasonable point.

[kcr]

88. Since when

Did misogyny become acceptable just because there's a D beside the person's name?

[VarryOn]

53. He was once a Republican...

Therefore, he's got some amount of brain damage. I have no need for him

[milestogo]

58. Some women might be tempted to break his neck during sex.

[UTUSN]

62. K&R

[Still In Wisconsin]

64. I fucking hate Cenk.

He doesn’t help us or make anything better. Not at all.

[betsuni]

66. Cenk, shortly before the 2016 general election: "Even though she may not be the most corrupt,

she is a symbol of that corruption. She's a living embodiment of the establishment, the status quo, this system that the whole country believes has been corrupted."

WHAT CORRUPTION? How are Democrats corrupt? Thanks for Trump, Cenk. His audience despised Hillary Clinton because he lied, repeated propaganda, demonized her. I hope running for office prevents him from demonizing our next Democratic nominee.

What a luxury to be accused of things you've said or done that you actually said or did. Lucky you, Cenk. Democrats never receive that basic courtesy from you.

[TwilightZone]

67. Huh, sounds like Tulsi Gabbard.

Among others.

[betsuni]

68. Same script.

Translated from the Russian original.

[Cha]

105. cenk's a serial liar.

[NCLefty]

74. Those clips are giving me Howard Stern vibes. Irreverent, off-color, lots of sex jokes.

I guess we'll find out if the voters of his district can forgive him. :p

[apcalc]

79. Creepy guy.

[Doodley]

80. Let's not lose focus on who is destroying America. These complaints against a leading

media opponent to Trump must be making the right rub their hands with glee. Sorry if Cenk isn't as pure as the rest of us.

Put what he says in context and stop trying to tear down the very people we need in the biggest battle this nation has ever faced.

The heart of America is being systematically broken, our trust and respect among our allies, our free press, our science, our military leadership, our institutions, our separation of powers, our safety-net programs, our healthcare, our basic human rights, and this is what we do to one of our media foot soldiers?

And after we destroy Cenk with clips from a decade ago, which progressive shall we pick on next?

I am sorry, but this is pathetic.

[betsuni]

81. He is a leading media opponent against Democrats.

Not progressive. Says Democrats are corrupt. Pathetic.

[NurseJackie]

83. Yes he does. He hates the Democratic party. It's that kind of negativity...

Not progressive. Says Democrats are corrupt.

Yes he does. He hates the Democratic party. It's that kind of negativity that generates apathy. Apathy discourages voter turnout. Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections.

Pathetic.

Yes it is.


PS: Even American Airlines doesn't like him.

[betsuni]

85. He voted for Hillary Clinton, was called a sell-out.

If you spend a couple of years telling your idiot audience someone's a corrupt horrible Satan-monster, no wonder they're upset when you vote for the monster because you're not that much of an idiot. Show business!

[FeelingBlue]

84. All he has to do is...

Change parties!

[Gothmog]

86. K&R

[Cha]

97. "Cenk's political rivals think they can smear him with actual video clips of him saying the shit

Link to tweet

[Hortensis]

91. Seriously, there's something wrong with a majority of those

prone to radicalism, reactionary behaviors, extremism, and scorpion-type sabotage. It takes many forms, and can be relatively harmless to others, such as victimization syndrome in a passive package, but often not at all benign. But whatever it is, or they are, it's just something that comes with the rest of the person, or should but is missing.

Notably, although most believe Trump is an example of those who have a genuine chronic personality disorder, a lot more people have strong traits of without meeting the criteria for potentially self destructive disorder. These excessive traits come in many different types and combinations, with many different manifestations. Including Cenk's kind of thing.

Noting, though, that Cenk was profiting by selling this to a large market. Today his product is different, but still successful because it serves a niche market most won't touch.

[lillypaddle]

93. Yep, that's the asshole

I remember. Never could figure out why so many liberals loved him.

I would hate to see him elected to ANYTHING.

[Gothmog]

98. I will be donating to the lady who is running against Cenk

I really do not think that Cenk would be a good member of the House

[NurseJackie]

102. You're right about that. He does not have the character, demeanor and temperament...

You're right about that. He does not have the character, demeanor and temperament for it. He snaps too easily. He's got a short temper and thinks the sun shines out of his ass and that the world revolves around him. (Honestly, I'm wondering if this is just some sort of publicity stunt.)

[Stellar]

104. I hope he wins!

Yessss....

[Nature Man]

106. Illuminating

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

109. I'm not feeling it

And I wouldn't call what he has baggage. It's more like he's a disease carrier.


My Armenian wife explained it to me. I don't accept someone who starts a group named the 'the young turks' anymore than I accept someone who names their group 'the gestapo'.

I maybe accept that we may sometimes work for the same goal but that will never equal an ally.

[ehrnst]

110. We should be supporting actual Democrats.

Then we'll know what we're getting, and not some wildcard looking after their own ego...