I just don't get it. Republicans expect us to believe that everyone who has testified,

[Arkansas Granny]

under oath, is lying and that Trump, who has lied continually, is telling the truth.

They disregard the sworn testimony of nonpartisan government employees who have served our country for years, if not decades, while they defend the man who has admitted to committing the acts he has been accused of.

They are willing to smear and call into question the motives of dedicated career personnel while ignoring the longstanding immoral behavior of Trump.

And then, to top it all off, they pretend to be patriots.

[Stuart G]

1. Republicans are lying about Trump lying. It is that simple. They Lie !!! K and R

[Phoenix61]

2. Exactly!

And the kicker, that people who Twitler won’t allow to testify could prove that Twitler is telling the truth.

[uponit7771]

3. They are being told all of them testified in favor of Trump. Right wing outlets are HORRIBLE for ...

... America right now and give a whole slew of people opposite reality information.

[ritapria]

4. They are afraid of tangling with Trump

because the Trump Cult in their respective states/ districts will turn on them ...Look at what happened to Justin Amash …….He did the right thing and had to give up his seat - forced to retire from Congress after 2020 ……. That is why few if any of them will vote to impeach or convict this criminal, lawless President …. Many of those GOP'ers retiring want to become K Street lobbyists …..Not going to happen if they vote to impeach Trump … According to Jeff Flake , most GOP Senators secretly despise Trump …. It's all about power and Money …...They don't give a shit about the Country ……… Had a Democratic President engaged in such lawless misconduct , he/ she would have ben ejected from Office long ago ...The Dems would have done the right thing …….

[meow2u3]

8. More likely, Congressional repukes are active participants, if not accessories, to Trump's crimes

They're covering up their own role in the conspiracy. Case in point: Devin Nunes.

[Pepsidog]

13. History will show that Fox was the cause of the fall of a once great nation.

[NoMoreRepugs]

19. You may be right.

[at140]

26. Fox has 3 million viewers, Rush Limbaugh has many times more.

So I think it is right wing talk radio more responsible than Fox News.

[Iliyah]

5. Whenever I run across a true believer in "t-rump has done nothing wrong" BS . .

I simply say "well 75% of the people testifying are Republicans.

Mueller, Comey, et al., Republicans.

Apparently these people put country before Party.

[Arkansas Granny]

6. That's a good point.

[Pepsidog]

12. And they get away with it because Fox allows them to spew nonsense.

[hvn_nbr_2]

7. Republican epistemology: Whatever they want to believe is true.

Corollary: If they made it up, that makes it true.

[Pepsidog]

10. Because Fox has their back.

[DBoon]

23. "Rush said,I believe it, that settles it"

bumper sticker

They call themselves dittoheads for a reason

[Pepsidog]

9. The only way to take down Trump and the Republicans it starts with FOX! Without Fox spin

machine Republicans will stop this craziness. As long as the Fox echo chamber continues to support conspiracy theories we will remain A divided nation.

[KPN]

11. Bizarro world we are living in, no doubt.

They don’t expect us to believe that all who testified are lying. They know we won’t. They just expect— maybe correctly — that enough will or are just like them — willing to destroy the Constitution and democracy with it in order to achieve their ends (money, white supremacy, bigotry or a so-called christian nation).

[malthaussen]

14. Moreover, they expect us to believe that they believe it.

Personally, I'd rather believe they are lying, than that they are so unimaginably stupid.

-- Mal

[GoCubsGo]

15. Yes. Just like they expect us all to believe that only Fox"News" tells the truth,

and that EVERYONE ELSE is "fake news." Unfortunately, there are still enough people in their cult who believe this. These are the same people who still believe the "Republicans LOVE the military", when all the evidence points to the contrary. You know they're beyond redemption and help, when they clamp their lips to the ass of a corrupt former KGB agent--after decades of calling people on the left "Commie Russia lovers." How the fuck did we get to this point?

[DFW]

16. About their pretending to be patriots

They probably figure if you'll swallow the rest of their BS, then you'll probably believe that one, too.

[marieo1]

17. Moscow Mitch

What an ugly S.O.B. I absolutely hate McConnell - he has fed off our government long enough. He should be gone. They talk against homeless, people getting assistance, etc and here are people raised in wealth feeding off our government - they are the bottom-feeders. They've had every chance in the world, which a lot of us have not had, and they still use our government for their own gain. A lot of them, like McConnell have never done a days work in their lives. They have had everything handed to them on a silver platter and still they want more!!!

[DFW]

22. He is indeed pond scum

Even leeches in the muck at the bottom suck your blood to live. McTurtle does it for sport.

[Moostache]

18. Look, the alarm bells have been ringing for a long time...

Get ready for the secession crises, and be prepared to let them go this time.

Every single metropolitan area over a million people should begin looking at the governing principles of the Greek City-States as a model for what is coming in the Confederate States of America by 2050.

There is no longer a common truth or set of facts that we can debate. The right has fled reality for the comfort of a soothing lie and a snake oil trickster telling them what they want to hear instead. Look no further than the stark difference of the Dominican Republic and Haiti to see how this all plays out. Rural America - so happy to be labelled the 'real Americans' by Palin and Trump - is going to become a poverty stricken hell-hole of epic proportions, and the saddest part of all? They are going enthusiastically down the path of their own economic doom. Maybe Jeebus will surprise the fuck out of me and actually ride down to save them...but I would not bet on it.

Fuck 'em. Seriously. If you believe there is ANYTHING redemptive about Trumpism or Trump at all, you are beneath contempt and deserve EVERYTHING that is coming their way and more. I am done trying to explain the difference between fantasy and reality. Facts and science have a funny way of stopping caring at some point too...they just ARE...and my compassion for the people who see Trump and think "GREAT" has evaporated completely.

At some point, you just turn away, let them drink the Kool-Aid and allow the jungle to reclaim their remains.

[Arkansas Granny]

21. We can't allow the cultist behavior of Trump and his cronies to divide our nation.

I know that some on the right threaten another civil war and that they brag about their weaponry, but dividing the nation even further is not the answer.

[Beartracks]

20. They find it easier to believe 1000s and 1000s of scientists, journalists, teachers...

... and public servants are lying rather than Trump and a handful of Republicans who actually hold power.

================

[jimlup]

24. Republicans don't live in a fact based reality

they prefer a FAUX News fantasy land.

[mnmoderatedem]

25. it's simple really

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these career diplomats with stellar records and impeccable work histories asked themselves what is the smartest thing they could do for themselves personally and professionally and decided that thing would be to commit perjury to a congressional committee in order to gain absolutely nothing for themselves.

makes perfect sense.

[Arkansas Granny]

28. Well, when you put it that way.

[guillaumeb]

27. Recommended.

In my opinion, most of these GOP Congressmembers know that Trump is a liar, but he is their productive liar.

[struggle4progress]

29. They don't care if we believe it: they're aiming at low information voters

[LAS14]

30. Follow the money! They don't believe Trump. They're protecting their retirement sinecures.

Paul Krugman points out how the silent retiring Repubs are getting right wing jobs. The kind of jobs that don't exist on the left.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212722547

[Skittles]

31. and they want us to believe people who refuse to testify

[Arkansas Granny]

33. Worse than that, Trump wants us to believe Putin's story on the election meddling instead

of our own intelligence community. I just don't see how his supporters are OK with this.

[Evolve Dammit]

36. But they are OK with it. And what do you do with that? The supporters simply deny and don't care.

They are so brainwashed between AM radio and Fox, I don't think they are salvageable. I believe that the coming months and years will come down to 2 things. 1) Trump destroyed America and democracy, or 2) Trump damn near destroyed America and democracy. I'm hoping it's #2.

[Brainfodder]

32. They are behaving like idiots and should be treated as such.

Any Black Friday sales on straight jackets?

Everyday shouldn't be a ?

[ancianita]

34. "Pretend" is the operative word. "Win" is the operative mindset, even if it means pretend democracy.

[bucolic_frolic]

35. Republicans are worshipping Trump, money, capitalism, and greed

They are totally about private property interests. It's all about getting more - for them. Even CJ Roberts pro-corporate rulings are the same basis. When Trump said he would "make America great again" he meant eviscerating all barriers to making money for him and his cronies. Rules, regulations, environment, law, people - mean nothing to them. If they can make a buck putting kids in cages, they want to do it.

Yup.

[Catch2.2]

37. Dems need to be saying this!

[Aussie105]

38. They pretend to be patriots.

Sure. That's what they want you to think.

Got to ask though, why are they so desperate? Denial of reality, twisting things around, like their very lives depend on it?

[warmfeet]

39. I get it all too well.

They have their own, completely separate, reality.

They can maintain this reality because they never pay a penalty for their belief in this alternate reality.

There has been no mechanism to bring their beliefs into alignment with reality.

Nothing will change as long as this does not change.

Unless we can come up with a mechanism for bringing their beliefs into alignment with reality, nothing will change.

Removing the orange dolt, via conviction in the senate or via election 2020, does not change the equation.

These are stopgap measures only.

Long term, belief needs to more closely align with reality. We are all, basically, fucked if it does not.

Just my miserable, worthless, two cents.

[Aussie105]

40. So basically it is:

"Greed is good."

and

"Stuff you man, I got mine, you ain't. Sucks to be you."

That sort of rationalization?