Navy Secretary Richard Spencer Resigns/Acknowledges Termination Amid Controversy Over Navy SEAL

[MelissaB]

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Breaking: Navy Secretary Richard Spencer Resigns Amid Controversy Over Navy SEAL - WSJ

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Outgoing Secretary of the Navy Spencer’s resignation letter says that he “cannot in good conscience” obey an order he believes “violates the sacred oath“ he took & that he and POTUS disagree on the “key principle of good order and discipline”

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Jake Tapper deleted the above post and said this:

I deleted them retweeted the Secretary of Navy’s letter because it’s more accurate to describe it as an “acknowledgement of termination” letter (and NOT resignation letter) — apologies

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“Unfortunately it has become apparent that in this respect, I no longer share the same understanding with the Commander in Chief who appointed me, in regards to the key principle of good order and discipline...”

[OhNo-Really]

1. All the honorable people are quitting

Isn’t this dangerous?

[grantcart]

2. He was fired and yes it is

[RVN VET71]

27. Yep.

Secretary of Defense really jumped on the honorable man in order to do the bidding of the corrupt, greedy, Russophile in the WH, didn't he? "See, he said, see Mr. President, Sir? See what I will do to spare you the negative reaction to your very, very, very good decision to pardon a man who only really murdered once or twice, and enemy combatants at that. I agree, Mr. President, Sir, Sir I agree that this great nation of yours need to show how rough and tough and lawless it can be when it suits the mood!"

Screw them all, every last one of them. There are no good centaurs or Republicans. Vote them all out of office, deprive them all of the wealth they seek sucking at the public teat, hold them up -- every goddamned on of them -- to public scorn and loathing! (Sounds almost like a prayer, doesn't it? Well, if there were a god and It were interested in justice and fairness, that god would listen and listen hard to my prayer and take some -- I'll say it -- goddam action to actually chastise and punish the palpable evil that is the GOP.)

[DENVERPOPS]

40. Now Trump

Now Trump can go with one of his chosen pussies. Putin's loving this, sitting in front of his TV munching borsh flavors popcorn.

I gotta wonder how the rank and file Military are going to view all this.................

There are sooo many Trump Hummers in the military ranks, they will probably all gather around and yell "F***ing A"............

That alone should be one of this nation's greatest fears...........

[RVN VET71]

49. A fear I share.

[Iliyah]

3. shithole trying to take over the military.

What say you GOP.

[RKP5637]

5. Given the assholes they are, they will likely celebrate. tRump's agenda is to destroy America and

all it ever stood for. I can't believe this Piece of Shit is president!

[IronLionZion]

35. GOP is fine with turning our military into a shithole

so we can have all types of human rights abuse and lose any sense of honor or decency. It's disgusting

[oswaldactedalone]

4. It's becoming more and more apparent

that “Everything the orange shitstain touches dies” is becoming much more than hyperbole. When will we be freed of this menace?

[RKP5637]

6. He's a menace to the US and the world. He's dangerous as hell!!! n/t

[triron]

38. I have said as much and worse.

[magicarpet]

7. Putin is ecstatic beyond all comprehension.

Dismantling DEMOCRACY.

[MFM008]

8. Once again

Maggot hasnt the courage to do it himself.

[jalan48]

9. Ihope this wakes up some of those conservative flag wavers.

[TwilightZone]

14. Nah, they're ok with torpedoing anyone who does anything Trump doesn't like.

Including members of the military, Gold Star families, etc.

[The Mouth]

31. I doubt any of them care about the treatment of any ISIS operative

alive or dead. The ones I know cannot see a single thing wrong with killing ISIS folks once in captivity or desecrating the body afterward, not a thing, and regard anyone who is bothered about it as a deranged snowflake.

[Still In Wisconsin]

41. It won't.

Conservatives always side with their God-emperor, no matter what.

[Farmer-Rick]

10. Trump is turning the Navy into his little bathtub toys.

The bonespur coward doesn't know the first thing about serving in the Navy. But the orange coward seems to think he knows all about everything.

A coward leading heroes into surrender. War criminals as poor abused little sailors.

[brutus smith]

11. Poor trump

He must have had his feelings hurt over the talk about this today.

[stillcool]

12. Trumps marking his territory

he'll need the military on his side. Just like any other dictator.

[dameatball]

25. A good, simply put and I think accurate post. The chilling thing is that it fits a pattern that

Trump himself is not capable of devising, but only implementing. This is basically the same thing that has been done with every branch of government, sciences, social relationships, justice.... Congress, Judicial, scientific communities, environmental communities, international alliances and now the military. Divide and conquer one piece at a time. Chip away.
It began with the media.
The enforcement step is now in effect.
So...….who is really calling the shots is the big question.
I used to think this was tin foil hat stuff. I wonder.

[Corgigal]

30. If we still vote, and it counts.

It’s stupid crap like this that can turn the military against him. He has no business interfering with the UCMJ. Trump had plenty of chances to join the military, but he was too precious.

Another dumb thing he’s done.

[TwilightZone]

13. Everything Trump touches dies, except stuff that should die.

Like Gallagher's career.

[brush]

18. Yes. He gave up his right for Trident badge with his disgraceful efforts.

[ck4829]

15. To be replaced by the *other* Richard Spencer

[sazemisery]

16. I was listening to NPR just now...

They read the Secretary of the Navy’s letter to the pResident. He used the same verbiage that General Mattis used. Instead of resignation, he used termination

[in2herbs]

17. I'm confused. I read a post on DU earlier today that said the WH had advised Spencer that

they'd decided to keeps hands off and he was free to discipline without WH/Trump interference. It was a HP article, I believe. And now he's been asked for his resignation by the WH?

[Marie Marie]

23. Me too. I thought Trump had backed down??

[MelissaB]

19. Outgoing Secretary of the Navy Spencer's resignation letter says that he "cannot in good conscience"

Outgoing Secretary of the Navy Spencer’s resignation letter says that he “cannot in good conscience” obey an order he believes “violates the sacred oath“ he took & that he and POTUS disagree on the “key principle of good order and discipline”

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I'll also add this to the OP.

[Hav]

20. What is the opinion on Spencer?

In another story it sounded as if he wanted to make a secret deal so that the one who committed the war crimes to still be able to serve or something like this and by that circumventing the process himself if I'm not mixing up stories. In that story it sounded that he was fired because of these secret dealings.

[MelissaB]

21. Yup. Trump say fired

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[GoCubsGo]

22. Disgusting.

May this blow up in Trump's and Esper's faces big time.

[irisblue]

24. Apricot Hellbeast tweets...

Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) Tweeted:
....contracting procedures were not addressed to my satisfaction. Therefore, Secretary of the Navy Richard Spencer’s services have been terminated by Secretary of Defense Mark Esper. I thank Richard for his service & commitment. Eddie will retire peacefully with all of the.....

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Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) Tweeted:
....honors that he has earned, including his Trident Pin. Admiral and now Ambassador to Norway Ken Braithwaite will be nominated by me to be the new Secretary of the Navy. A man of great achievement and success, I know Ken will do an outstanding job!

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So apricothellbeast got both today...

[kacekwl]

26. Ken Braithwaite, I'd look around you

before you accept the position. You will surely turn to shit also.

[djacq]

28. Cadet Bone Spurs is a disgrace.

In my 24 years in the Air Force, I have never seen anything so unprecedented as this so called POTUS personally involving himself in corrupting military justice.

[NightWatcher]

29. What branch of the armed forces will trump attack next?

He's an active soviet agent, surrounded by accomplices and fools in the gop.

[IronLionZion]

42. He furloughed the Coast Guard earlier this year

and threatened Army LTC Vindman and his family, so maybe Air Force is next? Support the troops?

[Takket]

32. the irony of this........

drumpf is doing this for his frothing mouth breathing base who will say "look at him protecting a solider! All he did was pose with thr body of an animal anyway!"

and his base will of course lap it up... while in reality drumpf is a guy who has never served telling the military how to handle its business, which is a GREAT dishonor to the people in uniform.

it remains to be seen how the military will view this but i find it incredibly ironic that we are actually at the point now where drumpf is disrespecting the military with the goal of getting his base to believe he loves it.

EVERYTHING is upside down, backwards, and inside out in this regime............ i can hardly keep up with the chaos they sew.

[amb123]

33. War Criminal Edward Gallagher will be appointed the new Secretary of the Navy

in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...

[Hoyt]

34. Hopefully, the next Prez will give him the highest commendation.

[badhair77]

36. There's also a distraction factor here.

The press focuses on this and impeachment coverage takes a hit.

[Gothmog]

37. This is an amazing resignation letter

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?s=20

[blogslut]

39. This is like, the third narrative I read about this

Like here, it says the Sec. of the Navy asked for Spencer's resignation because of a secret deal to let Gallagher keep his rank and pin:

...Esper reportedly made the decision to ask for Spencer's resignation after learning that he had privately proposed to White House officials that if they allowed the Navy to go ahead with disciplinary proceedings against Gallagher, "Spencer would ensure that Gallagher was able to retire as a Navy SEAL, with his Trident insignia."

https://www.businessinsider.com/pentagon-chief-asks-for-navy-secretarys-resignation-2019-11

This whole thing stinks and it stinks because that rat bastard in the White House throws out pardons to mostly shitty people.

[crickets]

46. I read this as well & am also confused. Did Spencer screw up and get fired by Esper, not Trump? nt

[lpbk2713]

43. Does Trump have anyone left he started out with?

It seems like they all eventually came to their senses and exercised good
judgment. No one with a conscience wants to work with this scumbag.

[EveHammond13]

44. FUCK YOU TRUMP. Motherfucker.

[kyburbonkid]

45. WOW!

Oh man. Wow. The Secretary of the Navy resigns in protest of Trump! Russia must be doing High-Fives all over the place.

[dalton99a]

47. Putin now has virtual control over the U.S. military.

[orleans]

48. why did trump pardon these guys to begin with?

who intervened on their behalf & why?

certainly trump, holed up in his bathroom, was mostly unaware of these three until someone put a stick up his ass about it.