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Sun Nov 24, 2019, 06:28 PM

I am confused about the Navy Secretary's resignation/firing

I have read that Spencer threatened to resign if Trump interfered and restored Eddie Gallaghers Seal status

but then I read in the Washington Post that Spencer privately asked Trump to restore the Seal status.

"Esper asked for Spencer’s resignation after learning that he had privately proposed to White House officials that if they did not interfere with proceedings against Gallagher, then Spencer would ensure that Gallagher was able to retire as a Navy SEAL, with his Trident insignia."


So which is it? I'm so confused by all the spins

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Response to nadine_mn (Original post)

Sun Nov 24, 2019, 06:31 PM

1. I wouldn't believe any word said by

a trump official - so anything Esper says is most likely a fucking lie.

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Response to nadine_mn (Original post)

Sun Nov 24, 2019, 06:37 PM

2. "If you cross Trump, we get rid of you. Then we lie about why"

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 24, 2019, 06:43 PM

3. That would seem to be

the most likely explanation.

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Response to nadine_mn (Original post)

Sun Nov 24, 2019, 06:46 PM

4. Ya, I am trying to figure this out myself. But, I am reading it a little differently than you.

 

I am reading it that Spencer told Trump to NOT interfere and he would make sure Seal got his Trident

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Response to Jewls2 (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 24, 2019, 07:34 PM

6. that's how I read it...

like the end result would be to Trumps liking. But...for Trump, the end result is not nearly as important as the show.

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Response to stillcool (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 24, 2019, 07:49 PM

8. Right. So that being the case, I can get why Spencer would lose his job, per higher ups.

 

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Response to Jewls2 (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 25, 2019, 04:32 AM

15. I believe Spencer, not the WH spin via Esper. I believe Spencer quit because he believed

in being faithful to the Constitution -- like he said in his letter.

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Response to stillcool (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 24, 2019, 08:09 PM

10. ok that makes sense - the idea of Trump wanting to make a big show

of restoring the Seal status - if he can't get his photo op he throws a hissy fit

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Response to Jewls2 (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 24, 2019, 08:13 PM

11. Esper gave the reason for firing as: Spencer made a deal with the WH

behind his back, left him out of the loop. Therefore fired.

Spencer's letter states he would not follow an illegal order.

Trumps tweet is word salad.

I don't think it is clear what really happened.

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Response to XRubicon (Reply #11)

Sun Nov 24, 2019, 10:09 PM

13. So, Spencer trying to work a deal, telling Trump to hush and he will make it happen.

 

His boss saying he didn't know, not that it was wrong. And Spencer saying there was lack of integrity. Ya, sounds like we do not have the whole story. Right?

Edit to add, I can't read the letter. To little print

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Response to Jewls2 (Reply #13)

Mon Nov 25, 2019, 04:33 AM

16. Why should anyone believe what Esper said, knowing how team Trump lies?

I believe Spencer.

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Response to nadine_mn (Original post)

Sun Nov 24, 2019, 06:49 PM

5. Agree, it doesn't make sense so far. nt

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Response to nadine_mn (Original post)

Sun Nov 24, 2019, 07:41 PM

7. This is an amazing resignation letter

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Response to nadine_mn (Original post)

Sun Nov 24, 2019, 08:06 PM

9. It appears, as I just heard on

an MSNBC show, that Esper fired Spencer and he wrote this "recognition of termination" letter acknowledging his termination.

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Response to nadine_mn (Original post)

Sun Nov 24, 2019, 08:19 PM

12. I find myself confused also.

 

But I am so exhausted from “news” lately that I am very much out of the loop.

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Response to nadine_mn (Original post)

Mon Nov 25, 2019, 04:12 AM

14. All we know for sure is that Trump let a war criminal go free to please conservative jingoists.

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Response to nadine_mn (Original post)

Mon Nov 25, 2019, 06:14 AM

17. THEY'RE confused too...

They don't know what message they want us to have...

Unless confusion is the message. Muddle and muddy up the waters so much, nobody has a clue.

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