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kpete

(71,986 posts)
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 11:47 AM Nov 2019

Gallagher shot a little girl in stomach -This is no hero-this is not even a man-this is a monster

Edward Gallagher was accused of shooting civilians, killing a teenage Isis captive and threatening to kill any colleagues who reported him, but was acquitted at a court martial.

However, he was demoted after being convicted on one charge, of bringing discredit on the armed forces after posing for a picture with the body of the dead teenager.


MORE:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-edward-gallagher-navy-seal-war-crimes-twitter-a9215796.html


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Gallagher shot a little girl in stomach -This is no hero-this is not even a man-this is a monster (Original Post) kpete Nov 2019 OP
As the orange buffoon would say, this is an animal... Ferrets are Cool Nov 2019 #1
Trump mistakenly believes that his support of Gallagher will panader0 Nov 2019 #2
I've seen a mix. AtheistCrusader Nov 2019 #14
It may be why they joined up. NCLefty Nov 2019 #57
On Morning Joe they said, he pose with the teenager's head.😳 dewsgirl Nov 2019 #3
Really? I bet if someone leaked that support for this man's ouster would grow Maraya1969 Nov 2019 #4
Clair McCaskill said it, I believe. dewsgirl Nov 2019 #5
Lots of talk on Twitter about this. dewsgirl Nov 2019 #6
Oh my word PatSeg Nov 2019 #18
Appaling isn't it. dewsgirl Nov 2019 #21
How did he not get convicted of murder PatSeg Nov 2019 #25
I agree what's with the "acquitted" California_Republic Nov 2019 #32
The boy didn't die right away catchnrelease Nov 2019 #33
Him posing with the boy's head, should be at the very least dewsgirl Nov 2019 #36
This couldn't be much uglier PatSeg Nov 2019 #39
Scary isn't it. dewsgirl Nov 2019 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2019 #52
Maybe the Hague DENVERPOPS Nov 2019 #45
Perhaps PatSeg Nov 2019 #53
one of my british friends DENVERPOPS Nov 2019 #60
That's understandable PatSeg Nov 2019 #62
Amen to that DENVERPOPS Nov 2019 #63
Oh, I'm sure there is plenty PatSeg Nov 2019 #65
He's hideous and so is the pardon. Think about how unsafe this will make any soldiers Alithea Nov 2019 #35
My son is being deployed to Qatar on Jan.1, the ramifications dewsgirl Nov 2019 #37
I'm sorry if my post added to your worries. Alithea Nov 2019 #40
Thank you. Oh no, I completely agree with you. dewsgirl Nov 2019 #41
Sounds alot DENVERPOPS Nov 2019 #61
what a pos gopiscrap Nov 2019 #7
Does anyone know how or why he was acquitted? Jewls2 Nov 2019 #8
I think I read that they didn't have much evidence besides witness testimony Maraya1969 Nov 2019 #9
Thanks. Jewls2 Nov 2019 #11
The medic changed his story DeminPennswoods Nov 2019 #10
Thanks. And the nation knows. There will be those that pat him on the back for murdering a little Jewls2 Nov 2019 #13
Since they're Donnie Shit for Brains supporters maxrandb Nov 2019 #16
We should DENVERPOPS Nov 2019 #46
For some reason I recall the medic (who had immunity) saying he (the medic) actually killed the kid mr_lebowski Nov 2019 #29
Yes, I recall that, too, DeminPennswoods Nov 2019 #30
tRump is sewing confusion and chaos throughout the military. ffr Nov 2019 #12
Sowing roody Nov 2019 #31
tRump loves monsters because he loves himself. nt yaesu Nov 2019 #15
In reality, the narcissist hates himself. That's why he creates a world where he is perfect, and Nitram Nov 2019 #17
With all the religous wackadoos surrounding Trump, it looks dewsgirl Nov 2019 #23
This is NOT Okay. djacq Nov 2019 #19
That is it - KT2000 Nov 2019 #27
The GOPee will probably nominate him in 2024. sandensea Nov 2019 #20
Trump loves Putin and Kim Jong-un and lunatica Nov 2019 #22
When I was in the Military we were glad to see people like E-7 Gallagher convicted . pwb Nov 2019 #24
It's also sending a message about whistleblowing... this could be part of what it's about for tRump. JudyM Nov 2019 #38
Isn't this fitting? Another monster like rump helping another monster. Nice, eh? Disgusting, ... SWBTATTReg Nov 2019 #26
I can barely wrap my head around this. Words like sick or evil barely scratch the surface... FM123 Nov 2019 #28
me either Demovictory9 Nov 2019 #42
I seriously believed DENVERPOPS Nov 2019 #47
If you "shoot" somebody without basis in a training exercise, you can be discharged Tiggeroshii Nov 2019 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Nov 2019 #43
Enough of our military and veterans are better than this IronLionZion Nov 2019 #44
I don't know DENVERPOPS Nov 2019 #48
I'm hoping more of them turn against him IronLionZion Nov 2019 #49
We thought that with our cops too, and look. It has not happened. Jewls2 Nov 2019 #50
Well, on the plus side, when the military pulls it's collective head out of it's ass... AZ8theist Nov 2019 #51
Thanks for the reality on this POS. That's why he joined. Hoyt Nov 2019 #54
Gallagher must be a Putin boy. C Moon Nov 2019 #55
Every time I see that criminal Stargazer09 Nov 2019 #56
Kick democrank Nov 2019 #59
Trump wants this murderer to accompany him on the 2020 campaign. oasis Nov 2019 #64

Ferrets are Cool

(21,106 posts)
1. As the orange buffoon would say, this is an animal...
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 11:52 AM
Nov 2019

no, that is not correct...he is sub-human. Pure scum. I care more for amoeba than I do this savage.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
2. Trump mistakenly believes that his support of Gallagher will
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 11:52 AM
Nov 2019

bring him support from the troops. I think it will go the other way.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
14. I've seen a mix.
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 01:18 PM
Nov 2019

For the most part, they seem to think he's a criminal, but there's a very vocal base that seems to revel in this kind of behavior.

Maraya1969

(22,479 posts)
4. Really? I bet if someone leaked that support for this man's ouster would grow
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 12:04 PM
Nov 2019

I'm not sure it is wise though.

PatSeg

(47,419 posts)
18. Oh my word
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 02:07 PM
Nov 2019

This is so much worse than I'd realized. Guess Gallagher is the kind of guy Trump admires. How disgusting.

catchnrelease

(1,945 posts)
33. The boy didn't die right away
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 09:59 PM
Nov 2019

Another soldier that was there suffocated him in what he said was a mercy killing. And this soldier testified at Gallaghers trial that he himself had killed the boy. (I think this was the story, or something close to it)

I can't imagine how the things that Gallagher did were not enough to convict him.

PatSeg

(47,419 posts)
39. This couldn't be much uglier
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 10:27 PM
Nov 2019

Last edited Tue Nov 26, 2019, 01:05 AM - Edit history (1)

If all of this is true, he barely got a slap on the wrist. How many more war criminals are out there that the military let off so easily.

Response to catchnrelease (Reply #33)

DENVERPOPS

(8,818 posts)
45. Maybe the Hague
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 11:51 PM
Nov 2019

Maybe the Hague will have something to say about it: "International War Crimes" comes to mind............I don't know if they can try someone in absentia? I think it is called..........

Someone told me the U.N. and the Hague are working overtime trying to finish preparing their case against Asad? of Syria on the same charges for dropping chemical weapons on his own people many times over the past several years........It was the easiest method to get rid of his opposition.....Of course he didn't manufacture the weapons and was supplied with them from a certain country......

PatSeg

(47,419 posts)
53. Perhaps
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 01:07 AM
Nov 2019

But the U.S. usually gets a pass on this kind of stuff. Look at all the crap that took place during the Bush years.

DENVERPOPS

(8,818 posts)
60. one of my british friends
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 09:16 PM
Nov 2019

told me that Cheney & Rumsfeld can never set foot in any country in most of Europe. They would be arrested and transported directly to the Hague to be put on trial for International War Crimes...........

PatSeg

(47,419 posts)
62. That's understandable
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 10:37 PM
Nov 2019

That entire administration (except for Libby) got a pass, but because Trump is so horrible, people think maybe Bush wasn't so bad. Unfortunately a lot of memories tend to fade. However, he WAS every bit as bad as we thought he was and hundreds of thousands of people died because of his reckless cowboy policies. I never thought I'd see a president who was worse.

DENVERPOPS

(8,818 posts)
63. Amen to that
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 10:49 PM
Nov 2019

Think no farther (further?) than Abu Grab (sp?), all the torture and Gitmo and probably also include a ton of shit we don't even know about under the cloak of "Top Secret Security Information".

Depleted Uranium bullets and Tank artillery shells, Willie Pete (White Phosphorous) and on and on and on and on

PatSeg

(47,419 posts)
65. Oh, I'm sure there is plenty
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 11:32 PM
Nov 2019

we don't know about. There was a whole lot going on behind the scenes back then.

 

Alithea

(99 posts)
35. He's hideous and so is the pardon. Think about how unsafe this will make any soldiers
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 10:04 PM
Nov 2019

that are captured in war. To the eyes of the world and any future adversaries, the message is that, not only do US troops commit war crimes, not only are they not prosecuted and convicted for it, but the f***ng President comes out and PARDONS them; the worst of them. A pardon in the case of an atrocity like this is so bizarre, so extreme, that it will be seen as much more than a pardon; it will be seen as Presidential praise and endorsement. To the eyes of the world, who are certainly watching reports of this, this will be seen as the definition of what it means to be a US solider today.

Not only is it a gross dishonor to the decent men and women who have worn the uniform, but the next time some poor soldier gets captured, there will be no Geneva Convention niceties and we will be looking on with horror as something like this is done to him in revenge. And the whole world sinks deeper and deeper into a vicious cycle of inhumanity, into the abyss from which it took the human race so many painful lessons, so many years, so much careful work and diplomacy to climb out of.

This is what it looks like when norms collapse. It is beyond dispiriting.

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
37. My son is being deployed to Qatar on Jan.1, the ramifications
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 10:10 PM
Nov 2019

of this and the betrayal of the Kurds are beyond terrifying.

 

Alithea

(99 posts)
40. I'm sorry if my post added to your worries.
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 10:46 PM
Nov 2019

I can only imagine how worried you must be and I empathize. Your son will be fine. Sending you good thoughts.

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
10. The medic changed his story
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 01:03 PM
Nov 2019

on the stand, iirc. He initially told prosecutor's the stab wound Gallagher inflected killed the ISIS fighter, but on thes stand, he said it wasn't a mortal wound. It threw the prosecution's whole case off track.

In any event, Gallagher will be allowed to retire and keep his "Seal pin" although it's a pyrrhic victory as the medal has no value when associated with him.

 

Jewls2

(218 posts)
13. Thanks. And the nation knows. There will be those that pat him on the back for murdering a little
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 01:13 PM
Nov 2019

girls, or posing for the camera with a teen he murdered. And there will be many that give him the side eye in disgust. His to live with. I would be concerned if I was the wife. His ego is pumped, his violence validated and sealed by the President. She had better know her place.

DENVERPOPS

(8,818 posts)
46. We should
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 11:54 PM
Nov 2019

We should continuously publish his picture everywhere so everyone recognizes him no matter where he goes.......

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
29. For some reason I recall the medic (who had immunity) saying he (the medic) actually killed the kid
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 03:41 PM
Nov 2019

outta mercy, cause he was too far gone to save from wounds he had rec'd prior to arrival.

Implication was, he'd delivered the knife blow, not the shitbird.

Which I frankly find hard to believe, myself.

Could be remembering wrong though.

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
30. Yes, I recall that, too,
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 07:17 PM
Nov 2019

now that you mentioned it. The medic "confessing" on the stand is what threw everyone for a loop.

ffr

(22,669 posts)
12. tRump is sewing confusion and chaos throughout the military.
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 01:12 PM
Nov 2019

Nobody knows which side is up. Gallagher is a loose cannon, a person who is probably struggling with his own mental demons. He is not a role model.

Nitram

(22,794 posts)
17. In reality, the narcissist hates himself. That's why he creates a world where he is perfect, and
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 02:01 PM
Nov 2019

surrounds himself with people who will bolster his claim to perfection.

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
23. With all the religous wackadoos surrounding Trump, it looks
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 02:17 PM
Nov 2019

like he has hit the lottery in that department.

djacq

(1,634 posts)
19. This is NOT Okay.
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 02:08 PM
Nov 2019

24 years in the Air Force, I've learned;
Law of Armed Conflict
Code of Conduct
UCMJ
Good Order and Discipline

Gallagher's unit reported his dishonorable behavior. This is setting a bad precedent that you can commit war crimes as long as you have the President personally backing you.

KT2000

(20,577 posts)
27. That is it -
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 03:31 PM
Nov 2019

precedents are being destroyed all over. We become untethered to our society when that happens.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
22. Trump loves Putin and Kim Jong-un and
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 02:14 PM
Nov 2019

Duterte, and Erdogan. He admires sadistic murderous men.

He probably identifies with them and thinks that by protecting them he can become like them and never be held accountable. It really all still boils down to being about him.

I’m sure he’s already picked out the perfect job for Gallagher when he becomes Dictator Trump. Maybe the CEO of a concentration camp with people who stand behind him in his rallies as Gallagher’s staff.

pwb

(11,261 posts)
24. When I was in the Military we were glad to see people like E-7 Gallagher convicted .
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 02:22 PM
Nov 2019

The good men and women of the Navy should not be forced to be around this disgraced ex seal Murderer.

JudyM

(29,236 posts)
38. It's also sending a message about whistleblowing... this could be part of what it's about for tRump.
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 10:20 PM
Nov 2019

SWBTATTReg

(22,114 posts)
26. Isn't this fitting? Another monster like rump helping another monster. Nice, eh? Disgusting, ...
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 02:59 PM
Nov 2019

but we all know that already.

DENVERPOPS

(8,818 posts)
47. I seriously believed
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 11:57 PM
Nov 2019

I seriously believed that no one could ever match or exceed Dick Cheney and his side kick Rumsfeld for cruelty and evil.

I guess I was wrong............

 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
34. If you "shoot" somebody without basis in a training exercise, you can be discharged
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 10:03 PM
Nov 2019

from the military entirely for committing war crimes in a training environment. The rationale is: If you are willing to do it in training, who says you wont do it in real life?

Gallagher was court martialed and the only thing saving his ass from life in prison or death is that he was a Trump supporting vile piece of shit.

Response to kpete (Original post)

IronLionZion

(45,433 posts)
44. Enough of our military and veterans are better than this
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 11:35 PM
Nov 2019

so it should backfire badly. Trump needs to lose support from enough of them to make a difference.

IronLionZion

(45,433 posts)
49. I'm hoping more of them turn against him
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 12:09 AM
Nov 2019

The way my cousin, who is active duty Navy, describes it is mostly enlisted are supporting Trump while most officers are against. It's tied to education level with many graduates of service academies are against.

AZ8theist

(5,459 posts)
51. Well, on the plus side, when the military pulls it's collective head out of it's ass...
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 12:45 AM
Nov 2019

And they complete a military coup of the US and "eliminate" the clearest DANGER to the US, both foreign AND DOMESTIC.....
I will stand and applaud them.

If I have to live under a dictatorship, I would rather it be lead by our military leaders than a fucking imbecilic, traitorous, incompetent douche bag moron.

Stargazer09

(2,132 posts)
56. Every time I see that criminal
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 02:33 AM
Nov 2019

I want to vomit. What a disgusting person.

The fact that 45 likes him so much is not surprising.

Evil. Truly evil.

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