So half of all Americans still think Trump should be removed from office, but

[EarlG]

apparently this is BAD for Democrats?

CNN Poll: No change in views on impeachment after public hearings

Seems that the media is telling me this morning that this is a fail for Dems, because "the numbers haven't moved." Well excuse me, but HALF THE COUNTRY WANTS TRUMP REMOVED FROM OFFICE. Fewer than half think he hasn't done anything wrong. And this is a fail because the numbers haven't moved?

Why is this not a fail for Republicans? According to them, Trump has done nothing wrong. Yet it would seem that after two weeks of nationally televised hearings, during which Republicans have had equal time to present their best defense of Donald Trump and his -- according to them -- completely innocuous activities, HALF THE COUNTRY STILL WANTS TRUMP REMOVED FROM OFFICE.

Dear Media, the numbers favoring impeachment were SIGNIFICANTLY lower just a few months ago, before jumping up once Trump's crimes were exposed. If the hearings over the past couple of weeks haven't moved the numbers, that means that Republicans have failed to present a compelling defense of Trump's crimes. Because if they had, surely the numbers would be moving back to where they were before the hearings.

[UpInArms]

1. The media pushes a lot of

False equivalencies

And botherism narratives ..

I grow weary with them.

[Dennis Donovan]

2. Well, some on our side aren't helping...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212731037 U.S. Rep. Brenda Lawrence no longer supports impeaching Trump in abrupt reversal

[getagrip_already]

8. she reversed her reversal....

says she has always supported impeachment, and still does, but thinks censure may be an effective alternative. She is still committed to voting to impeach.

Censure is a non-starter since the senate will never take it up.

[Botany]

3. "The Liberal Media," is a myth that has been pushed by the right for 50+ years.

Look @ the # of times that the NY Times pushes the Hillary "Email Scandal."

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/10/22/20924795/hillary-clinton-emails-new-york-times-state-department

[Proud Liberal Dem]

13. Don't forget that they ran with "Clinton Cash" as well.

And "FBI finds no links between Trump campaign and Russia" (paraphrasing from right before the Election)

[ffr]

4. CNN turns my stomach. It's the way they present information

with the 'both sides do it' meme.

Why is this not a fail for Republicans? According to them, Trump has done nothing wrong. Yet it would seem that after two weeks of nationally televised hearings, during which Republicans have had equal time to present their best defense of Donald Trump and his -- according to them -- completely innocuous activities, HALF THE COUNTRY STILL WANTS TRUMP REMOVED FROM OFFICE.

[PSPS]

5. The media always portrays everything as 50/50 to keep people tuning in to watch their ads

[grumpyduck]

6. BINGO!

[Iwasthere]

7. CNN is slowly becoming fox II

We are no longer living the book Orwells 1985, we are now past it, by a lot!

[FiveGoodMen]

9. Even 1985 was past it by a year.

[flibbitygiblets]

19. I see what you did there!

[Proud Liberal Dem]

14. Are they internalizing the Trump "Fake News" attacks

and just trying to suck up to him now?

[spanone]

10. Heard several times on CNN this morning: "Democrats failed to move the dial on impeachment"

fuck the media

[Proud Liberal Dem]

15. w/o even considering

Maybe there isn't much more of a needle to move. Dems have half of the country on their side and Trump basically only has his 40 or so % In what reality is that even a failure? Also, I'm really not even sure that there's ANYTHING the Dems can do to convince Republicans in the Senate or the Trump cultists to do ANYTHING. I do note that many Republican pundits and some rank-and-filers are increasingly abandoning Trump and even calling out Republicans in Congress as being complicit. It's not over yet.

[malaise]

11. The billionaires own M$Greedia

That is all

[Hermit-The-Prog]

22. money money money MONEY

[Proud Liberal Dem]

12. Good reframing

Unfortunately, the media just wants to make everything look bad- for Democrats- because there apparently isn't any money in making things look worse for Republicans because it will just get them accused of having a *gasp* "liberal bias" or of somehow being "in the tank" for Democrats.

When a Republican is President, the media covers mainly Republicans because that's who's usually making all of the news and commanding all of the attention.

When a Democrat is President, however, the media covers mainly Republicans because they act like sore losers and a**holes and their antics to try to tear down the Democratic President is usually making all of the news and commanding of their attention. Plus, again, they don't want to be accused of having a "liberal bias" or of somehow being "in the tank" for Democrats.

When it comes to the media, it's pretty much always a lose/lose for Democrats and and a win/win for Republicans because even when the Republicans are down, the media minimizes it or spins it in a different direction and when the Democrats are down, the media maximizes it.

The media is something that Democrats can't currently win at, so we have to win IN SPITE OF.

[LiberalLovinLug]

20. +1000

You are correct. Its also like they are perpetually recalibrating the balance of what is acceptable or normal, in order to accommodate Republicans and not "offend" them. Like the level of the house sitting on soft ground. One side is sinking to the right, even if it started with just a little bit decades ago, its continually shifted down on the right side. And even though anything round rolls to the right on the floor, and now its so skewed the furniture is starting to slide, they pretend that the house is still level. Hold themselves against sliding themselves in the middle of the room and declare the room is level.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

21. Yup

[Tanuki]

16. 61% of women now support impeachment, per the article linked in the OP

[ancianita]

17. Right? Like the perfect poll should be the enemy of the good one.

[mountain grammy]

18. Well you know that damn "librul " media

And do I need to add. ?

[reACTIONary]

23. Sorry but I don't see anything really wrong with the headline....

.... seems like a simple statement of fact to me. What's the big deal?

[EarlG]

24. The article is neutral

I was reacting to the way the talking heads were spinning the article this morning -- saying that since the polls haven't moved, this is bad for the Democrats.

[reACTIONary]

25. Ah, I see, thanks. nt

[evertonfc]

26. look

nothing that is said, done or uncovered between now and next Nov will matter. The nation is divided. 6-8 states are on table. That's it. We have the numbers to win. If we turn out, we win. If we don't, we lose.

[greatauntoftriplets]

27. I agree that he needs to be removed from office.

Also, tried by the ICC.

[Progressive Jones]

28. These impeach/don't impeach polls are basically meaningless.

Voters don't decide this. The House and Senate do.
The ball is rolling.

[Staph]

29. I believe that it was Paul Begala that added a useful bit of information to that discussion.

He said that those in favor of impeaching Bill Clinton never rose about 30%. And those for impeaching Richard Nixon stayed at similar low numbers until the last few weeks before his resignation.

Half the country in favor of impeaching and removing Trump, in these fractured days, is pretty darned amazing!