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kentuck

(110,950 posts)
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 06:50 PM Nov 2019

It should be scary to every American what Trump is doing with our military.

Just fired his Secretary of Navy as easy as a Sunday stroll.

Just imposed himself into the Uniform Code of Military Justice just because he could.

Just disrupted the military order and cohesiveness by promoting the cause of a certain Navy Seal.

After all, he is the Commander in Chief. He has the authority.

There is no limit to his willingness and desire to abuse his power.

It is very dangerous when someone seeks to divide in such a way.

The state motto of Kentucky could never be more true: United We Stand - Divided We Fall

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It should be scary to every American what Trump is doing with our military. (Original Post) kentuck Nov 2019 OP
I know it's plenty scary to me! Ohiogal Nov 2019 #1
It is very scary. And with him bringing him into the dewsgirl Nov 2019 #3
Military leaders seem fine with it Miguelito Loveless Nov 2019 #2
The Secretary of the Navy was not fine with it. kentuck Nov 2019 #6
Well, he was fired, which is what happens Miguelito Loveless Nov 2019 #20
Trump has a lot of support in the military.. kentuck Nov 2019 #23
That is my worry. Miguelito Loveless Nov 2019 #24
Plus, he elevated some dregs to hero status... dchill Nov 2019 #4
Trump has corrupted so many branches of Government it is scary dustyscamp Nov 2019 #5
That's why my support for the troops generally only goes so far as when I pay them. I never brewens Nov 2019 #7
Putin is pleased ThoughtCriminal Nov 2019 #8
The fucking moron is supposed to go to celebrate NATO next week. BigmanPigman Nov 2019 #10
All four military Secretaries have been fired since July (June?) . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2019 #9
This just adds an extra level of real fear to the situation rurallib Nov 2019 #16
I'm hoping that elements within the military Progressive Jones Nov 2019 #11
It is not as bad as it seems... NewEnglandAutumn Nov 2019 #12
You want scary? warmfeet Nov 2019 #13
Very scarey to me. He has signalled to the wnylib Nov 2019 #14
That is as succinct an explanation of what's happening as I've heard. Ligyron Nov 2019 #17
Three Navy and one Air Force in my immediate family. wnylib Nov 2019 #19
Trump did the pardons but the world sees that America condones war crimes keithbvadu2 Nov 2019 #15
his willingness to abuse the power is reason for impeachment Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2019 #18
United we stand, divided we fall mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2019 #21
Support counter-recruitment, encourage kids to not sign up ck4829 Nov 2019 #22

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
3. It is very scary. And with him bringing him into the
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 06:55 PM
Nov 2019

campaign, you can bet there is a lot we do not know.

Miguelito Loveless

(4,438 posts)
2. Military leaders seem fine with it
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 06:53 PM
Nov 2019

No rush to the door resigning in protest. No mass refusal to obey unlawful orders.

Miguelito Loveless

(4,438 posts)
20. Well, he was fired, which is what happens
Wed Nov 27, 2019, 11:04 AM
Nov 2019

when they "demand your resignation".

And so far, that is one guy. Everyone else toes Trump's line and obeys his orders.

kentuck

(110,950 posts)
23. Trump has a lot of support in the military..
Wed Nov 27, 2019, 11:47 AM
Nov 2019

...and he will use them to divide the others.

That's what he does. And he does it well.

dchill

(38,324 posts)
4. Plus, he elevated some dregs to hero status...
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 06:57 PM
Nov 2019

And wants them to campaign for him. My bet is they'll be down with that.

dustyscamp

(2,221 posts)
5. Trump has corrupted so many branches of Government it is scary
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 06:58 PM
Nov 2019

The White house, Senate, The Courts, Law Enforcement is filled with Trump's goons and soon the Armed Forces will be filled with them too. No one like General James Mattis or Rear Admiral William C. Greene will be around to oppose Trumps orders. If shit hits the fan and Trump starts a real Civil War people still think the Police and Army will still be on our side? A good chunk will, but if majority of those forces are comprised of Trump supporters they won't be able to do much to help us. We really need to win 2020 or we will be looking at a very bad future for Democrats.

brewens

(13,400 posts)
7. That's why my support for the troops generally only goes so far as when I pay them. I never
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 07:15 PM
Nov 2019

get into any of the patriotic hooha. I appreciate the guys that are in there to do the right thing, but I'm afraid that may not be as many as I'd like. I'm more and more worried about to what extent many are being radicalized by fundamentalists and white supremacists. Now would be a good time for some to start speaking out, and to hear support for the republicans dropping among them.

ThoughtCriminal

(14,011 posts)
8. Putin is pleased
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 07:16 PM
Nov 2019

This is way better than he planned. He's probably starting to get those old Western Europe invasion plans out of the archives for the day Trump really pulls us out of NATO.

BigmanPigman

(51,432 posts)
10. The fucking moron is supposed to go to celebrate NATO next week.
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 07:52 PM
Nov 2019

Let's see if he will go there despite wanting to break up NATO for his boyfriend Putin. He may go there just as an excuse to get out of going before Nadler and the Judiciary Comm.

rurallib

(62,346 posts)
16. This just adds an extra level of real fear to the situation
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 09:30 PM
Nov 2019

Real leaders who may have stood up to him are gone and my guess is that like all Trump appointees, the replacements are much more compliant.

so their choice is to stand back and let it happen.

I so hope when the Dem wins next year one of their top priorities will be to replace the Trump appointees with real leaders who will do what is right.

NewEnglandAutumn

(184 posts)
12. It is not as bad as it seems...
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 08:11 PM
Nov 2019

IRL Donnie is losing the respect of the military VERY quickly. The number of way he has screwed over active duty, retired and disabled vets is pissing them off. I am married to a disabled retired vet; we spend a lot of time at military facilities and the VA we hear it all the time. He thinks they love him and some do but his cuts to housing, healthcare are angering them/us. The VA is worse because older vets are pissed about his power grab as well as how quality of care is sliding. We were told that even getting new prosthetic limbs and having them served are in the crosshairs of cuts to VA spending so hurry up and get his fixed asap.

While there is a tendency to follow orders, 'his military' is far from automatons.

warmfeet

(3,321 posts)
13. You want scary?
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 08:23 PM
Nov 2019

Republicans control the fate of this nation.

If that doesn't scare you, absolutely nothing will.

wnylib

(21,146 posts)
14. Very scarey to me. He has signalled to the
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 09:10 PM
Nov 2019

worst elements in the services that they can ignore the military code of behavior, their superior officers, and the Geneva Convention. He is giving them a direct line to him outside of the chain of command, disrupting the effectiveness of military discipline.

It's as if he is cultivating his own personal fighting force answerable only to him.

Ligyron

(7,592 posts)
17. That is as succinct an explanation of what's happening as I've heard.
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 09:35 PM
Nov 2019

That is to say, it's complicated but no more than those 3 sentences are needed to explain what's going on. Good job!

keithbvadu2

(36,369 posts)
15. Trump did the pardons but the world sees that America condones war crimes
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 09:24 PM
Nov 2019

Trump did the pardons but the world sees that America condones war crimes.

Trump will eventually be gone but the pardons remain.

Whenever America mentions war crimes, Trump has given them a ready response.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,041 posts)
18. his willingness to abuse the power is reason for impeachment
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 10:49 PM
Nov 2019

"There is no limit to his willingness and desire to abuse his power."
This is true and is the most compelling reason for impeachment and removal from office. He sees no reason to change. If he learned a lesson from the outcry over all his abuses of power, it would be reasonable to let an election decide the matter. He will not learn. He will continue to abuse the power of the office and will escalate if not constrained.

mahatmakanejeeves

(56,897 posts)
21. United we stand, divided we fall
Wed Nov 27, 2019, 11:08 AM
Nov 2019
United we stand, divided we fall


World War II propaganda poster from the United States.

"United we stand, divided we fall" is a phrase used in many different kinds of mottos, most often to inspire unity and collaboration. Its core concept lies in the collectivist notion that if individual members of a certain group with binding ideals – such as a union, coalition, confederation or alliance – work on their own instead of as a team, they are each doomed to fail and will all be defeated. The phrase is also often referred to with only the words "United we stand".

Historical origin


United States propaganda poster from World War II.


The Seal of Kentucky, featuring the motto.

The phrase has been attributed to the ancient Greek storyteller Aesop, both directly in his fable "The Four Oxen and the Lion" and indirectly in "The Bundle of Sticks".

Biblical references

A similar phrase also appears in the biblical New Testament – translated into English from the historic Greek in Mark 3:25 as "And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand". Similar verses of the New Testament include Matthew 12:25 ( "And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand" ) and Luke 11:17 ( "But he, knowing their thoughts, said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and a house divided against a house falleth." ).

The 1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica quotes Robert Grosseteste (d. 1253) saying "It is written that united we stand and divided we fall."

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Brotherhood Of Man - United We Stand - *T*O*T*P*1970
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