Any chance that Rudy is a client of Putin (oligarchs) and their target is trump?

[NightWatcher]

I'm starting to think that the Soviets used Rudy to get trump.

Who is negotiating gas deals? Why so many visits with Lev and the other Ukrainians and oligarchs?

I worked a case like this years ago that stumped us all until we reversed the direction we thought things were flowing. It's not trump using his man Rudy to get Soviet business but Soviets using a NY asset (r) to produce trump.

[JustAnotherGen]

1. I don't think so

Too much evidence is out there that the Russians targeted Trump back in the 80's - and perhaps even earlier due to his marriage to a Czech national. Malcom Nance has laid out every single detail of this.


I'm in my mid 40's - and prior to 9/11 - The Ghoul was an anti Mafia attorney that even a kid in Western NY (Rochester) had heard of. I don't think the Russkies were targeting him in the 70's and 80's - he was a straight arrow back in the day.

[jberryhill]

2. Anti-Italian-mafia

Who runs organized crime in NY these days?

[JustAnotherGen]

3. Depends on the area

Yeah - you have Russkies out in Brighton Beach - but you have a lot more Ndrengheta in the NY and NJ area. Lots of Calabrese immigrants in Clark NJ. So no - I'm not buying it.

I think he's a useful idiot. Don't get me wrong on that.

I just trust Malcom Nance on this. And the Mueller Report.

[JustAnotherGen]

4. "They put a set of rose colored glasses on his face"

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/malcolm-nance-on-the-danger-of-conspiracy-theories

“They put a set of rose-colored glasses on his face,” you recently stated about the Russian government. “Donald Trump sees the world only through Moscow’s point of view.” What did this mean?

Perception management is a technique in which you frame the information sphere around your opponent, whether it’s an individual or a nation, with so much information that is relatively credible to where your opponent adopts the framework that you are giving him, so that it’s sort of like a pair of rose-colored glasses, right? Only, instead of you needing them, they are created for you and customized around your personality, around how you see the world. And then that disinformation and propaganda—truths, half-truths, and lies—it’s been fitted around you slowly, like boiling the frog, to where you adopt a framework, which only benefits Russia.

I also strongly suggest reading his three books. The first one is the best. Read that, then go line by line through the Mueller report. His book was first.

[dewsgirl]

5. I think Rudy is part of his backchannel to Putin. The

day after Lev and Igor were arrested with one way tickets to Vienna, Rudy was also scheduled to go to Vienna. You know who lives in Vienna, an oligarch names Dimitry Firtash, I believe fighting extradition to the US. I believe he is under house arrest there. Nunes and Kash Patel also visited him there in 2018.

[pnwest]

6. I think a more recent version of that

with a smaller focus is true. I think Putin worked thru Lev n Igor to get Rudy to work trump about blaming Ukraine for the election interference to cast doubt on Russia’s involvement after it started becoming more clear they did it. They tacked on the Biden thing as shiny attraction to get trump interested by serving his political needs. I don’t think Rudy even realized he was being worked at the time, being paid $500k will make one willing to not question things too deeply.

[doc03]

7. Rudy? Rudy who. I never met the man. nt