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shockey80

(4,379 posts)
Thu Nov 28, 2019, 11:51 AM Nov 2019

The Downfall of the American People:

When the people of a nation lose the ability to recognize the danger, consequences of their decisions and actions, the people lose control of their fate.

Last night I watched a documentary about Hitler that I have never seen before. It examined Hitlers's personality traits. Hitler's and Trump's personality traits are shockingly similar.

Hitler was obsessed with appearance. He used video , pictures, the news media to stage things beforehand in order to make himself look great. Sound familiar? He was extremely vengeful and spiteful. He loved to destroy his enemies and humiliate them as he did it. Hitler did not believe in any kind of law except his own.

In my opinion there is only one big difference between Hitler and Trump. Hitler did not have a constitution and a strong legal system to hold him back when he took power, Trump did. Trump has spent his entire presidency trying to destroy the rule of law and the constitution. He has searched for the worst among us to replace people in our government agencies and courts. If Trump is successful in this endeavor, I believe he could become, join the list of the most evil men in history. There will be nothing in the way to control him.

While watching the show about Hitler, They showed him returning to Berlin after his staged victory tour of Paris. All of Berlin turned out to greet, worship their Savior. As I watched the massive crowd surge forward trying to get closer to their savior, they reminded me of the Trump voters, then it hit me.

That video was taken around 1940. Five years later most of the men in that massive crowd were dead. Five years later most of the women in that massive crowd were either dead or raped by the Russians. In 1940 they had no idea what was coming their way.

Soon the American people will be making one of the most important decisions in our history. Whether or not to convict and remove Trump. If he is removed the American will be taking control of their fate. If he is not removed, the American people will be giving up control of their fate, It's that simply.

No one can predict the consequences of not removing Trump. It is fair to say they will not be good. Trump's followers will cheer if their Savior is not removed. Just like the people of Berlin cheered Hitler. The rest of us will say, we have to vote him out November, not knowing if we will be able to have a fair election, not knowing what are fate will be from now until the election.

The American people are playing a very dangerous game.



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The Downfall of the American People: (Original Post) shockey80 Nov 2019 OP
One more major difference: The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #1
It's like the old saying. shockey80 Nov 2019 #3
It does rhyme, indeed. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #4
Well phrased.... Heartstrings Nov 2019 #60
Perfectly put, shockey80 democrank Nov 2019 #65
I as a German GetRidOfThem Nov 2019 #69
Did you see the picture of the DENVERPOPS Dec 2019 #86
Both shared one common attribute that put them in power: Demagoguery. olegramps Nov 2019 #13
Thanks lunasun Nov 2019 #61
you should make this an OP! Celerity Nov 2019 #70
Another major difference, one which may save us... Johnyawl Nov 2019 #23
There's that. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #25
Based on my vast experience in golf world, at140 Nov 2019 #31
His bdamomma Nov 2019 #44
You'd be right if he actually played golf. I doubt any self respecting golfer would give him that. brewens Nov 2019 #77
If he has given up golfing, he is at high risk at140 Nov 2019 #79
Great. Millions of our tax money spent on his golf, then millions more spent on his cancer, the f'g ancianita Dec 2019 #89
That is our system, and he will milk it at140 Dec 2019 #94
People People People DENVERPOPS Nov 2019 #49
You are 100% correct, I have said the same thing before as well Perseus Nov 2019 #56
News flash DENVERPOPS Nov 2019 #59
"The governing principle of the Trump administration is total irresponsibility" dalton99a Nov 2019 #2
+1 Martin Eden Nov 2019 #16
Hitler took advantage of a wounded economy... lame54 Nov 2019 #5
Every society has its stupid ones. Mme. Defarge Nov 2019 #6
Our Democracy has that potential lunatica Nov 2019 #32
I lived through the '60's. Mme. Defarge Nov 2019 #46
I don't think our Democracy was ever in question while we were growing up lunatica Nov 2019 #48
Kent State. Mme. Defarge Nov 2019 #53
We're not talking about the same thing. lunatica Nov 2019 #54
You ain't seen nothing yet, dear one. DENVERPOPS Nov 2019 #63
Hell, I hope you are right.......... DENVERPOPS Nov 2019 #51
In a fair election, the smart ones will vote Trump and Republicans out. Lonestarblue Nov 2019 #71
Winter is coming Demonaut Nov 2019 #7
There are a few root causes of our current crisis in government. Dustlawyer Nov 2019 #8
In EMS DENVERPOPS Nov 2019 #52
Are you always this cheerful or only on Fridays? littlemissmartypants Nov 2019 #73
Thank you LMSP DENVERPOPS Nov 2019 #81
So maybe we're not so F'd after all. littlemissmartypants Dec 2019 #82
We will know DENVERPOPS Dec 2019 #83
Wish you would consider writing an expansion of these thoughts in a stand-alone post. democrank Nov 2019 #66
A few more root causes mylightningtoo Nov 2019 #78
Hitler's "Triumph Of The Will" showed in all German theaters every day until the day of surrender. ancianita Nov 2019 #9
The Mango Menance's Film will be titled Triumph of the Swill. kairos12 Nov 2019 #18
Or swine works too. lunatica Nov 2019 #35
Or Triumph of the Ill." calimary Nov 2019 #72
Triumph of the shrill lunatica Nov 2019 #80
and we have Fox & Fiends Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2019 #27
Film, not video. There was no video in Hitler's time. MineralMan Nov 2019 #10
Out of curiousity, why is that important? n/t DonaldsRump Nov 2019 #33
Historically, technology is a big influence. MineralMan Nov 2019 #36
It's not even true, much less important. pintobean Nov 2019 #37
Hitler had an agenda, a political philosophy and as evil as it was thank goodness Trump's actions Pepsidog Nov 2019 #11
He's a moron, but the ideologues who surround and support him definitely have an agenda. VOX Nov 2019 #64
Yes they do and these minions have been dismantling the regulatory apparatus of government. Pepsidog Nov 2019 #76
I agree 100%. But you will not change the mindset of the Republican Senate. God save us all. Firestorm49 Nov 2019 #12
K&R. Thanks, shockey80. America has been warned over and over of the dangers at hand. KY_EnviroGuy Nov 2019 #14
trump, like bush 2, would never have gotten anywhere near the white house if dems and 'left' certainot Nov 2019 #15
I'm with you Kaiserguy Nov 2019 #19
when the ad industry has to ask their talk radio advertisers if they want to support trump certainot Nov 2019 #28
I see it as too entrenched a medium across the country, and too late to do anything about if this ancianita Dec 2019 #90
even if he gets another 4 yrs that's ridiculous. fuck that. this is not liimbaugh country certainot Dec 2019 #91
I also believe the rightwing AM radio monopoly is the biggest factor texasfiddler Nov 2019 #21
they need to see dems investigating putin's use of talk radio and they certainot Nov 2019 #30
This is so important mountain grammy Nov 2019 #24
Here's the link if you don't have it. ancianita Nov 2019 #29
Excellent. Thank you! mountain grammy Nov 2019 #38
... ancianita Dec 2019 #85
Yes X's 1000!!!!!!! Tumbulu Nov 2019 #43
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Nov 2019 #17
We are. PatrickforO Nov 2019 #20
Dangerous indeed, especially for the evangelicals Loge23 Nov 2019 #22
K&R mountain grammy Nov 2019 #26
Name of the documentary? moondust Nov 2019 #34
American Heroes Channel (AHC) I do believe. It's on YouTube as well YOHABLO Nov 2019 #55
Gibbon's thesis in his "Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire" was that vlyons Nov 2019 #39
Hitler was a very lazy and mercurial man whose only real gift was riling up crowds. ArtTownsend Nov 2019 #40
A dangerous game, we are currently losing. warmfeet Nov 2019 #41
Powerful but Joinfortmill Nov 2019 #42
I have noticed that Hitler was better than tRump BigmanPigman Nov 2019 #45
The same can be said for Gollum: Ponietz Nov 2019 #68
You said this well and it's alarmingly correct. triron Nov 2019 #47
knr triron Nov 2019 #50
Our Democracy is strong only because of the Constitution. YOHABLO Nov 2019 #57
There are two more differences besides what people have already pointed out Perseus Nov 2019 #58
Well, a big difference in their personalities... Aquaria Nov 2019 #62
I recommend a reread of reply #8. democrank Nov 2019 #67
Hitler was smarter than Trump jimlup Nov 2019 #74
Rump kept a copy of hitler's speeches on his bedside table, according to wife 1. Mc Mike Nov 2019 #75
Don't think we will be down and out...but we will not fully recover. Xolodno Dec 2019 #84
Agree 100% UCmeNdc Dec 2019 #87
knr triron Dec 2019 #88
Good god... greytdemocrat Dec 2019 #92
To be honest, I think the writer meant for these words to be an opinion not a factual statement. UCmeNdc Dec 2019 #93

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,587 posts)
1. One more major difference:
Thu Nov 28, 2019, 11:59 AM
Nov 2019

Hitler believed he was going to lead Germany into an era of greatness and world domination (the "thousand-year Reich" ); he wasn't in it for the money. Trump talks about making America great again but he doesn't care about America at all. He cares only about acquiring more wealth and boosting his own self-esteem. Hitler was a megalomaniac who wanted to rule the world; Trump is a money-obsessed narcissist who wants to own the world. But Trump has the same potential to cause enormous harm.

 

shockey80

(4,379 posts)
3. It's like the old saying.
Thu Nov 28, 2019, 12:17 PM
Nov 2019

History does not repeat itself, it rhymes. Trump and Hitler, their actions, their goals are not exactly the same, but much of who they are, the actions they took and the evil within them, rhymes.

What the german people did and what the Trump voters are doing, rhymes.

GetRidOfThem

(869 posts)
69. I as a German
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 09:24 AM
Nov 2019

Have to completely agree with the analysis and that circumstances "rhyme". My fafther lived through the third Reich, and had plenty of stories to tell. I saw many parallels between Trump's rise and what happened in Germany. I hope Americans will be able to accept their own shame in the matter as Germans had to...

DENVERPOPS

(8,790 posts)
86. Did you see the picture of the
Sun Dec 1, 2019, 04:41 PM
Dec 2019

Trump Putin German Parade Float?????

Maybe you can google That set of words and get the picture. It's priceless.....
If Trump sees it, he will surely go all out on Germany and it's people......

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
13. Both shared one common attribute that put them in power: Demagoguery.
Thu Nov 28, 2019, 01:44 PM
Nov 2019

Hitler primarily put the blame for the failures of Germany on the Jews. They were the major cause for the fall of Germany. He also scapegoated the liberals and homosexual. His program followed "The Fourteen Characteristics of Fascism" by Dr. Lawrence Britt that I have posted several times on this board. They also accurately describe the policies of the Republican Party over the last 50 years. I will not post them again unless requested.

Johnyawl

(3,205 posts)
23. Another major difference, one which may save us...
Thu Nov 28, 2019, 03:03 PM
Nov 2019

...Hitler was 45 years old when he assumed the title "Fuhrer". Physically and mentally he was still in his prime. Trump is 73, fat, out of shape and is visibly deteriorating physically and mentally.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,587 posts)
25. There's that.
Thu Nov 28, 2019, 03:12 PM
Nov 2019

We could get lucky - Trump's long history of poor eating and exercise habits might catch up with him before he has to lock himself in a bunker with Goebbels - oh, wait, I meant Stephen Miller.

at140

(6,110 posts)
31. Based on my vast experience in golf world,
Thu Nov 28, 2019, 03:37 PM
Nov 2019

Trump will not die before age 80 of heart attack if he continues playing golf.
But he could get cancer.

bdamomma

(63,799 posts)
44. His
Thu Nov 28, 2019, 10:11 PM
Nov 2019

deteriorating physical and mental health maybe our saving grace. I hope all that hate/greed consumes him.

brewens

(13,538 posts)
77. You'd be right if he actually played golf. I doubt any self respecting golfer would give him that.
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 12:47 PM
Nov 2019

Most of us get a little exercise out there. I no longer play, I went back into fishing. I don't slice so bad fishing unless it's really windy.

That idiot doesn't even ever have to climb a brushy hill to look for a ball, and drives his cart right on the green. Might as well just have a servant hit for him too.

I think he may be done golfing if the last couple weeks are any indication.

at140

(6,110 posts)
79. If he has given up golfing, he is at high risk
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 01:17 PM
Nov 2019

of a heart attack.

I have known 1000 club members at 2 private golf clubs for 15 years, in the sense I always heard about who died and how. Among the regular players (3+ rounds/week) even those who rode carts, and were fat and drank generously on the 19th hole, I never heard of a heart attack under age 80. It was all cancer or some other physical malady such as diabetes. But no heart attacks. It was surprising!

ancianita

(35,933 posts)
89. Great. Millions of our tax money spent on his golf, then millions more spent on his cancer, the f'g
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 12:23 AM
Dec 2019

welfare cheat.

at140

(6,110 posts)
94. That is our system, and he will milk it
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 01:49 PM
Dec 2019

to the end, rest assured. However I give him a small credit for donating his entire salary.
And he more than makes up for that donation by frequent use of Air Force One flights to his rallies.

DENVERPOPS

(8,790 posts)
49. People People People
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 12:16 AM
Nov 2019

IT ISN'T TRUMP........IT IS THE REPUBLICAN SENATE enabling him and emboldening him. With out the Republican Senate he wouldn't have made it a day after inaguration. The Republican Senate, enabled him to gain control of the Dept. of Justice, and The Supreme Court among other things....

Focus on the presidential election, but spend equal or more going after the Republican Senators across the nation.....

The dictionary defines FASCISM as a merging of Government and Corporations.

The Republicans are on the threshold of installing their wet dream, Tyrant/Fascist run government.

Don't think they won't do ANYTHING/EVERYTHING between now and the election to guarantee it happening after the 40+ years they have been relentlessly working towards this goal. Twelve short/long months people. You can't even begin to imagine the events that will take place between now and then, or what I think will confront the people of the United States the day of the election, and the day after.....Think about it......

WASF

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
56. You are 100% correct, I have said the same thing before as well
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 01:24 AM
Nov 2019

Trump is useless, he is just what Grover Norquist asked for, an idiot who can use a pen. He has actually upped that wish and has become a divider, a promoter of hate and racism, and a Putin puppet, so he has gone where republicans were not planning, but nonetheless, without a corrupt Senate he is nothing.

I am hoping that impeachment removes him from office, but if its not to be, then make sure all your friends who think alike and understand the danger that republicans are to the country, that they go out and vote them out of office, lets have a majority on both houses, and hopefully a Democratic president as well.

DENVERPOPS

(8,790 posts)
59. News flash
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 01:57 AM
Nov 2019

There will be no more elections after November 3rd.........Sorry, don't want to depress you. Unless of course they are like the Russian "elections"........NOT SO LOL anymore everyone.........

I am old, gonna relax and try to enjoy the things I enjoy for the next eleven months leading up to election day.

I am afraid that everyone in the U.S. or for that matter, everyone in the world, isn't near ready for what is coming election night and the next day. The night of the 2000 election and what took place after that election will look like a Sunday Church Social compared to what we are all gonna see. (or much more realistically "suffer"......

And silly of all us to get all worried about Y2K.........On a scale of one to a million, considering what could have happened on Y2K, Y2K would have been a three or four, maybe a five.........

Anyone thinking anything else had better stay stoned every hour of every day from here forward.
And have some extra special, extra strong pharmaceuticals stashed away, and ready for November 4th.........

The same way people have had their heads buried in the sand for the past forty years, they should continue to bury their heads in the sand, or better yet parade around with their heads covered with a MAGA hat...........

dalton99a

(81,392 posts)
2. "The governing principle of the Trump administration is total irresponsibility"
Thu Nov 28, 2019, 12:00 PM
Nov 2019
The governing principle of the Trump administration is total irresponsibility, a claim of innocence from a position of power, something which happens to be an old fascist trick. As we see in the president’s reactions to American rightwing terrorism, he will always claim victimhood for himself and shift blame to the actual victims. As we see in the motivations of the terrorists themselves, and in the long history of fascism, this maneuver can lead to murder.

The Nazis claimed a monopoly on victimhood. Mein Kampf includes a lengthy pout about how Jews and other non-Germans made Hitler’s life as a young man in the Habsburg monarchy difficult. After stormtroopers attacked others in Germany in the early 1930s, they made a great fuss if one of their own was injured. The Horst Wessel Song, recalling a single Nazi who was killed, was on the lips of Germans who killed millions of people. The second world war was for the Nazis’ self-defense against “global Jewry”.

The idea that the powerful must be coddled arose in a setting that recalls the United States of today. The Habsburg monarchy of Hitler’s youth was a multinational country with democratic institutions and a free press. Some Germans, members of the dominant nationality, felt threatened because others could vote and publish. Hitler was an extreme example of this kind of sentiment. Today, some white Americans are similarly threatened by the presence of others in institutions they think of as their own....

The attraction of the Nazi conspiracy thinking is that we can feel like victims when we attack. Its vulnerability is that the world is full of facts. Hence Hitler’s hostility to journalism. In the Germany of the early 1930s, the newspaper industry was suffering after a financial crisis. Hitler and other Nazis used the idea of the “Lügenpresse” (“fake news”) to attack remaining journalists who were trying to report the facts. In Germany and Austria today, the far right once more speaks of the Lügenpresse, in part because the American president has made the idea respectable. The extreme right in Germany and Austria knows perfectly well that “fake news” is American English for Lügenpresse.

In the United States today, reporting was already in trouble for similar reasons before Trump, like Hitler, began to claim that the reporters who seek the facts are liars and enemies. Naturally, the president denies responsibility when people take him at his word and draw instead from the conspiracy thinking he himself spreads. Trump blames the press for attempts to murder members of the press. He seizes the occasion, as always, to present himself as the true victim. The facts hurt his feelings.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/30/trump-borrows-tricks-of-fascism-pittsburgh

Mme. Defarge

(8,012 posts)
6. Every society has its stupid ones.
Thu Nov 28, 2019, 12:57 PM
Nov 2019

I’m betting on the smart people in ours. If we survive this crisis, and I believe that we will - especially after witnessing those brave and noble public servants speak truth to power during the impeachment hearings, and especially after the judge’s ruling last week that so eloquently and powerfully defended our Constitution and the rule of law - I believe we will show the world that the world’s longest lasting democracy is alive and well and stronger than it has ever been.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
32. Our Democracy has that potential
Thu Nov 28, 2019, 03:40 PM
Nov 2019

It’s up to us to see it realized. This is our second big test as a country. The Civil War was the first. The lead up to and including the present fascist era is the second. The seeds though, were sown during our inception. Our Founding Fathers didn’t even pretend that we were already a true Democracy. But they did give us the tools to become one.

Mme. Defarge

(8,012 posts)
46. I lived through the '60's.
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 12:10 AM
Nov 2019

The Vietnam war, 3 political assassinations and the civil rights movement. It was pretty dicey then too.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
48. I don't think our Democracy was ever in question while we were growing up
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 12:14 AM
Nov 2019

or when we Boomers were younger. As a matter of fact I think our marches were quintessential democracy in action. I’m not making light of assassinations because they were horrible for our country, but they weren’t acts of fascism, or a real threat to Democracy.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
54. We're not talking about the same thing.
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 12:29 AM
Nov 2019

I’m talking about our form of government. You’re talking about violence. No one says Democracies don’t get violent. They do. We fought a Civil War over it and we’re in real peril of becoming a dictatorship right now. We’re fighting for our very form of government. The violence you bring up was bad for sure but our very form of government wasn’t an issue or in peril.

DENVERPOPS

(8,790 posts)
63. You ain't seen nothing yet, dear one.
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 02:04 AM
Nov 2019

Nothing we have been through, in the history of this country can even begin to prepare you for what we are about to see on November 3rd and November 4th.

I truly hope, deep down, that I am dead wrong for the sake of Man (woman) Kind........

Lonestarblue

(9,958 posts)
71. In a fair election, the smart ones will vote Trump and Republicans out.
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 09:29 AM
Nov 2019

The question is whether we’ll have a fair election. Will Russia tamper with votes this time or change voter registration data? Will Republicans suppress enough votes so they win in key states? Will Republicans close enough voting locations in minority neighborhoods at the last minute to prevent thousands from voting? Will corporate owners of voting machines who are big Republican donors program their own machines to favor Republicans? They do not allow that programming to be examined after the vote, claiming trade secrecy, so there is no way of knowing and many do not have paper backup.

I believe that Republicans are desperate and they will do any or possibly all of the above, and possibly even things we haven’t thought about. The question is whether we will have enough turnout to overcome their cheating.

Dustlawyer

(10,494 posts)
8. There are a few root causes of our current crisis in government.
Thu Nov 28, 2019, 01:20 PM
Nov 2019

1. Campaign finance rigs the playing field to elect politicians who are corporate friendly and who will pass laws to benefit Donors instead of the rest of America:

2. Revolving door guarantees that government agencies and the like are run by corporate insiders such as the oil and mining interests being in charge of our public lands and government contracts. It is a reward system for former politicians. They also go into lobbying their former colleagues at extremely high salaries;

3. Our media is beholden to their major advertisers who control many of the stories that get reported, or don’t get reported at all;

4. The RW media has programmed a significant percentage of Americans to ignore facts and revel in anything that pisses Democrats off even to their own detriment.

Until we address these issues we will continue to spiral down the drain!

DENVERPOPS

(8,790 posts)
52. In EMS
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 12:20 AM
Nov 2019

In EMS we often used the expression "circling the drain" to describe a critical patient, or even worse "grave condition"

We are at that moment in the United States.................

WASF

 

mylightningtoo

(58 posts)
78. A few more root causes
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 01:06 PM
Nov 2019

Campaign Finance - yes!
Lack of Congressional term limits - think Mitch McConnell
Gerrymandering
Perhaps the move away from earmarks- legislators have less reason to work together anymore on basic legislation
Lack of knowledge about how our government and constitution work - think, "Mexico is going to pay for the wall."

ancianita

(35,933 posts)
9. Hitler's "Triumph Of The Will" showed in all German theaters every day until the day of surrender.
Thu Nov 28, 2019, 01:23 PM
Nov 2019

It mesmerized Germans about their "story" of superiority through their superior leader.

Because of that triumphal story of their collective will, they played their parts, thinking that film story was the truth.

May Americans vote their fate wisely.

MineralMan

(146,255 posts)
10. Film, not video. There was no video in Hitler's time.
Thu Nov 28, 2019, 01:24 PM
Nov 2019

There was no video in 1940, only film. It's an important difference.

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
11. Hitler had an agenda, a political philosophy and as evil as it was thank goodness Trump's actions
Thu Nov 28, 2019, 01:38 PM
Nov 2019

are motivated by greed, fear, and survival. He could care less about policy.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
64. He's a moron, but the ideologues who surround and support him definitely have an agenda.
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 02:20 AM
Nov 2019

Voter suppression, travel bans, abortion bans, deregulations, immigrant scapegoating, withdrawal from various international accords, loyalty oaths, etc.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,488 posts)
14. K&R. Thanks, shockey80. America has been warned over and over of the dangers at hand.
Thu Nov 28, 2019, 01:49 PM
Nov 2019

Meanwhile, in mass, we diligently arm and gird ourselves for.......

Black Friday........

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
15. trump, like bush 2, would never have gotten anywhere near the white house if dems and 'left'
Thu Nov 28, 2019, 01:54 PM
Nov 2019

had not been ignoring talk radio for 30 years.

this only gets worse if we keep ignoring it.

all other factors are part of the democratic process and are subject to feedback, reform, improvement

as an unchallenged 20-1 monopoly rw talk radio is the only major political factor that operates outside the free speech spectrum. it's the ONLY unique advantage trump has and dit is ffucking idiotic for sensible americans to keep ignoring it and think things are going to get better soon.

without it trump has nothing. those senators and congressmen are not afraid of trump or a few blockheads and blonde perms on fozx, they're afraid of limbaugh and the few hundred other blowhards on 1500 radio stations who follow limbos lead and scream to the dittohead/teabag/trump base while hiding behind call screeners, increasingly fed by the kremlin.

that is also the orange samson's hair, the most vulnerable talrget for activism, ready to fall apart

Kaiserguy

(740 posts)
19. I'm with you
Thu Nov 28, 2019, 02:36 PM
Nov 2019

talk radio needs to be addressed. If a couple of Billionaires who are running for President wanted to do some real good they would start buying up right-wing radio stations and change the format.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
28. when the ad industry has to ask their talk radio advertisers if they want to support trump
Thu Nov 28, 2019, 03:34 PM
Nov 2019

the monopoly will fall apart. i don't think the planet can wait for billionaires

boycotting ANY advertiser on ANY rw radio station/show and protests at stations and the 88 universities will send advertisers running and will force the ad industry to ask advertisers if they really support trump and global warming denial. and when universities start looking for apolitical alternatives to broadcast sports on many of those stations will be forced to go to other programming

ancianita

(35,933 posts)
90. I see it as too entrenched a medium across the country, and too late to do anything about if this
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 12:25 AM
Dec 2019

occupant gets another four years. That's it. Right wing radio propaganda will be mainstream culture.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
91. even if he gets another 4 yrs that's ridiculous. fuck that. this is not liimbaugh country
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 01:14 AM
Dec 2019

it will be easy to destroy rw radio

all dems/'the left' have to do is stop ignoring it. easy as that. make liimbaugh the face of the gop - it would be true and a disaster

texasfiddler

(1,989 posts)
21. I also believe the rightwing AM radio monopoly is the biggest factor
Thu Nov 28, 2019, 02:37 PM
Nov 2019

It has permanently warped the minds of millions of working class folks that listen each day in their work vehicles from coast to coast.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
30. they need to see dems investigating putin's use of talk radio and they
Thu Nov 28, 2019, 03:35 PM
Nov 2019

and they need to see protests and boycotts of those stations

mountain grammy

(26,598 posts)
24. This is so important
Thu Nov 28, 2019, 03:10 PM
Nov 2019

I was able to see your post thanks to your link and I agree.

Your post was removed.... ??

PatrickforO

(14,559 posts)
20. We are.
Thu Nov 28, 2019, 02:36 PM
Nov 2019

Playing a dangerous game, I mean.

A game that leads either to the rebirth of our republic, or one that leads down a dark path to holocaust.

I do not use that word lightly - holocaust.

But, should our institutions NOT hold and Trump successfully takes the power of a dictator, then he will begin the oppression.

Jews, Muslims, people of color, gays, disabled. Hitler called such people 'useless eaters' and his solution was simple. Round them up. Confiscate their property and wealth. Cage them in camps. Use the healthy ones as slave labor and starve them as they work. Finally, kill them and burn the bodies.

It could happen again. Very easily.

Loge23

(3,922 posts)
22. Dangerous indeed, especially for the evangelicals
Thu Nov 28, 2019, 03:01 PM
Nov 2019

There is absolutely nothing about the #IPOTUS that can be considered spiritual in any way.
The evangelicals, catholics, and other so-called christians that support this beast are in for a reckoning should he remain in office past the 2020 election.
He couldn't give a rats ass about these people or their vaunted single-issue BS. Same goes for the rural illiterates - he has nothing at all in common with them either.
Factor in the nuclear codes and basically no one is safe.
We're very close to the edge here.

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
55. American Heroes Channel (AHC) I do believe. It's on YouTube as well
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 12:56 AM
Nov 2019

If you have say, AT&T or Direct TV it will be on their network. Otherwise go to their website: https://www.ahctv.com/ look for list of shows. You might also find some of their programming on YouTube.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
39. Gibbon's thesis in his "Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire" was that
Thu Nov 28, 2019, 03:58 PM
Nov 2019

Rome fell because of corruption. Our democracy has been corrupted by money. Republicans, Wall St, and monopolistic corporations are mainly the root of this corruption. The SCOTUS Citizens United decision has enabled dark basically limitless money to buy Senate and congressional seats. Donald Trump is merely the symptom of a much deeper ethical problem.

I have read a lot about Nazi Germany, its rise, and key figures in its leadership. When Hitler and the Nazis were starting out, they were well-funded by wealthy industrialists, who thought that they could control him and get profitable gov contracts. Sound familiar?

I see our main problem as one of the human failing of greed. How many millions, billions does it take to be happy? Our churches and public schools have failed us in teaching ethical morality of no killing, no stealing, no lying, no sexual misconduct, no harsh speech, no divisive speech, no envy, no ill-will, and no wrong views.

 

ArtTownsend

(439 posts)
40. Hitler was a very lazy and mercurial man whose only real gift was riling up crowds.
Thu Nov 28, 2019, 03:59 PM
Nov 2019

Sounds somewhat familiar, no?

Good thread by the way, recommended.

warmfeet

(3,321 posts)
41. A dangerous game, we are currently losing.
Thu Nov 28, 2019, 08:37 PM
Nov 2019

In less than 5 years we may not even recognize this country.

This not something I enjoy saying.

Get out the fucking vote.

We still have a chance. Get out the fucking vote.

Fuck the russians, fuck trumpslittledickorangeyclownmickfuckstick, get out the vote while we still have a chance.

There is still a chance. Use it to the best of your ability.

Joinfortmill

(14,389 posts)
42. Powerful but
Thu Nov 28, 2019, 09:53 PM
Nov 2019

It is the Senators, not the American people. who will actually vote to remove him. The majority of Americans want him gone.

BigmanPigman

(51,567 posts)
45. I have noticed that Hitler was better than tRump
Thu Nov 28, 2019, 10:59 PM
Nov 2019

in a few ways...
1. He liked dogs
2. He cared about his health enough to be a vegetarian (another reason was that he was against animal cruelty and suffering...how ironic!).
3. He had talent (his paintings were pretty good in my opinion).

Of course I am not saying Hitler was better or even equal to tRump at all, but he did have a few positives going for him that the fucking moron does not.

Ponietz

(2,936 posts)
68. The same can be said for Gollum:
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 08:53 AM
Nov 2019

—he was a good fisherman
—he enjoyed a game of riddles
—no one you’d rather have lead you through the Dead Marshes.

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
57. Our Democracy is strong only because of the Constitution.
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 01:28 AM
Nov 2019

Our President, the House of Representatives,the Senate, state, local, and federal judges, all military personnel, are sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution. No one, not even the President of the United States, is above the law. I believe that when people realize how badly broken our Democracy has been attacked and obstructed by the right wing in this country,they will rise up. The key is: WHEN.

There will be no downfall, we WILL rise up. This is not Nazi Germany!

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
58. There are two more differences besides what people have already pointed out
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 01:29 AM
Nov 2019

And I am gambling that I am right on this.

Hitler did not have a patriotic military. I have to believe that the military will not allow this con to rule like a dictator, that they will not go out and do his work against the people. Yes, they are commanded to take orders from the commander-in-chief, but they also have the oath to defend the country from foreign and domestic enemies, I am counting on that.

The other thing Hitler did not have was an FBI and a CIA who I have to think that as apolitical as they claim to be, they must hate his guts, and I doubt they would allow this guy to go much further. I am counting on that too.

 

Aquaria

(1,076 posts)
62. Well, a big difference in their personalities...
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 02:02 AM
Nov 2019

Is that Hitler liked animals and had a pet. That indicates some capacity for empathy. Plus, Hitler served during a war, and thus wasn't a complete coward.

Dimwit Flathead can't even manage those things.

Heck, even Ted Bundy did volunteer work, chased down purse snatchers and worked for political campaigns--rather than running for office himself. All of which show some sense of concern for his community.

When you can't even be as decent as Hitler or Ted Bundy, you are the worst scum of the earth.


Ever.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
74. Hitler was smarter than Trump
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 11:47 AM
Nov 2019

but yes, there are many apt comparisons.

Personally, I am expecting impeachment to fail. The likely result, in my opinion, will be similar to what happened with Clinton. A trial in the Senate that will result in censure, not removal, because a majority will agree to that.

Hope lies with the 2020 election. But we had better make DAMN SURE IT ISN'T STOLEN!

Xolodno

(6,384 posts)
84. Don't think we will be down and out...but we will not fully recover.
Sun Dec 1, 2019, 02:25 AM
Dec 2019

W pretty much put us in serious overdraft in two vital areas, the rest of the world to trust on a "just war" and domestic "appetite" in foreign wars.

Now with Trump, its proven that the US populace can't always be trusted to do the right thing nor, more importantly, elected officials who damn well know the truth, but rather would save their own ass.

Next, the world knows that there is too much corruption in US politics. Lending credence to other authoritarian regimes to say "see, they aren't too different"

We've pulled out of Military, Political and Trade treaties, meaning our word isn't worth it.

We will not recover from the trade wars. The barrier to entry for most nations to compete against US farmers was infrastructure investment. Now with our stupid trade war, they can invest and the time we pull out of this, the sunk cost will be spread out.

Our influence is retracted. The EU wants its own military and negotiate with Russia on its own terms, that's going to gain traction, we will no longer be Europe's "agent". And I won't even go into how we screwed ourselves in South East Asia.

greytdemocrat

(3,299 posts)
92. Good god...
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 01:25 AM
Dec 2019
Soon the American people will be making one of the most important decisions in our history. Whether or not to convict and remove Trump. If he is removed the American will be taking control of their fate. If he is not removed, the American people will be giving up control of their fate, It's that simply.


Try getting your facts straight, this paragraph is an embarrassment.
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