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What kind of bullshit is this? (Original Post) triron Nov 2019 OP
What choice do they have? The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #1
It smells. triron Nov 2019 #2
They have no choice😔, just like they had no choice with the dewsgirl Nov 2019 #3
Conceivably, Trump could be re-elected. Ukraine needs US support & money. Just because . . . Journeyman Nov 2019 #4
Tragically, fears about the damaging.... pat_k Nov 2019 #5

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,674 posts)
1. What choice do they have?
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 06:26 PM
Nov 2019

They need US aid and they know the only way to get it is to kiss Trump's ugly orange ass.

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
3. They have no choice😔, just like they had no choice with the
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 07:02 PM
Nov 2019

quid pro quo, until fate in the form of a whistleblower, stepped forward.

Journeyman

(15,031 posts)
4. Conceivably, Trump could be re-elected. Ukraine needs US support & money. Just because . . .
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 07:24 PM
Nov 2019

the US has gone mad is insufficient reason for the Ukrainians to be choosy in who and how they get their needed backing.

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
5. Tragically, fears about the damaging....
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 07:38 PM
Nov 2019

... consequences of DT's contempt for them are legitimate. The belief they must figure out ways to endear themselves to DT is akin to a battered spouse's belief the only way to protect themselves is to placate their abuser.

It says volumes about DT's abuse of the disparity in power between the US and Ukraine and the power of his slightest threat to strike fear in the heart of any struggling nation that relies on the goodwill of DT.

It is no longer "how can we raise our plight and enlist the goodwill of the American people." It is "how can we endear ourselves to DT?"

Other nations know they can no longer look to the "Goodwill of the American People" because DT has proven, over, and over, how determined he is when it comes to unlawfully and immorally thwarting and overriding "our will" (as expressed in Congressional action) if it conflicts with his own destructive agenda.

Perhaps there are still some checks on his abuses of power, but from the perspective of other nations, we are no longer a democracy. "The people" have clearly been cut out of the loop. Americans may not "get it" but other countries do. They know how dangerous it is to get on DT's "bad side."

Given our complete inability to protect the integrity of our elections and ensure every voter can easily (no lines, no barriers) cast a vote that is accurately counted, the fear of DT's continued rule is also valid.

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