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AP-Helpful Graphic of Trump's "do us a favor call" (Original Post) kpete Dec 2019 OP
Hope they use this in the next round of hearings and livetohike Dec 2019 #1
Amazing what happens in 14 hours. djacq Dec 2019 #2
Good, but AP should correct the typo at 8:36am, 2016, not 2006, right? KSNY Dec 2019 #3
AP's corrected version teach1st Dec 2019 #5
which points out that call was july 25 certainot Dec 2019 #7
Thank you! FirstLight Dec 2019 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2019 #13
An Excellent Graphic yellowwoodII Dec 2019 #4
Can we get this on a poster and have it displayed at next impeachment hearing, along with f trumpf RestoreAmerica2020 Dec 2019 #6
From Memory, This Timeline Doesn't Seem Accurate DallasNE Dec 2019 #8
My understanding: It was Ukranian embassy staffers who IndyOp Dec 2019 #9
Doubtful Staffers Would Withhold Information That Critical From Zelinsky DallasNE Dec 2019 #10
Trump is full of shit TexasBushwhacker Dec 2019 #16
Kicked and bookmarked! smirkymonkey Dec 2019 #12
Thanks so much. riversedge Dec 2019 #14
POSTED ON FACEBOOK !!!!!!!! RE TWITTERED !!!!!! trueblue2007 Dec 2019 #15

FirstLight

(13,360 posts)
11. Thank you!
Sun Dec 1, 2019, 03:28 PM
Dec 2019

Copied and shared across social media... THIS is the best graphic and puts it in full perspective.

IN ONE DAY, the President* unilaterally undid our foreign policy with an ally, across multiple departments, and put that country in danger...all for his OWN benefit. period.

If Trumpers could read, this would be the ONE thing to show them. There is NO arguing with it. ...and look, nowhere in there did anyone use the words Quid Pro Quo so their little heads won't explode.

I just don't understand how anyone can deny this OBVIOUS ABUSE OF POWER

(let alone the rest of the grifting and numerous other damaging things he has done...)

Response to teach1st (Reply #5)

yellowwoodII

(616 posts)
4. An Excellent Graphic
Sun Dec 1, 2019, 10:44 AM
Dec 2019

There have been so many witnesses and so many "facts" that it's hard to keep it all straight. This graphic really helps..

RestoreAmerica2020

(3,435 posts)
6. Can we get this on a poster and have it displayed at next impeachment hearing, along with f trumpf
Sun Dec 1, 2019, 11:34 AM
Dec 2019

..ok not that one..how about one with current CNN impeachment poll showing approval rating rising not declining as repubs would like us to believe [ @ link.]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/11/26/politics/trump-cnn-impeachment-poll/index.html&ved=2ahUKEwiAjtDB4ZTmAhUG7J4KHaCRCh8QFjAVegQIBRAC&usg=AOvVaw16w_licmsmV3QY6dhzNBgx&cf=1

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
8. From Memory, This Timeline Doesn't Seem Accurate
Sun Dec 1, 2019, 12:29 PM
Dec 2019

One of the Trump talking points is that Zelinsky wasn't aware the aid was being held up at the time of the July 25th phone call so it couldn't be a quid pro quo and this supports that Trump argument. An earlier reported timeline showed that Zelinsky was aware that aid was being held up when the July 25th phone call took place. This just doesn't look right.

IndyOp

(15,522 posts)
9. My understanding: It was Ukranian embassy staffers who
Sun Dec 1, 2019, 01:22 PM
Dec 2019

asked if the money was being held up the evening of July 25th. That leaves open the issue of whether Zelinsky himself knew prior to the phone call that he had to announce the investigation in order for the funds from the U.S. to be released.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
10. Doubtful Staffers Would Withhold Information That Critical From Zelinsky
Sun Dec 1, 2019, 01:53 PM
Dec 2019

But the article claims that Trump, in a fit following the phone call with Zelinsky ordered the hold. Below is a cut-and-paste that clearly places the hold ahead of the phone call, which is my primary point about the accuracy of the AP timeline. Of course it makes no sense to punish Ukraine over European aid levels for Ukraine.

"thanks to reports in the Washington Post and New York Times this week, we now have a little more information.
Mick Mulvaney, the dual-hatted acting White House chief of staff and director of the Office of Management and Budget, told leaders at the State Department and Pentagon in mid-July that Trump wanted the money withheld because he had “concerns” about the aid’s necessity. Those departments were instructed to inform members of Congress with questions about the delay that the money was coming but that its disbursement had been held up by “interagency process.” Those questions did come, but lawmakers received little information.
That timing is important, since Mulvaney’s announcement came about a week before Trump and Zelensky spoke on the phone. What makes matters worse, some say, is that the directive came from the president himself — meaning Trump may have used the new delay as leverage to extract something from his Ukrainian counterpart.
Trump has changed his story about why he personally withheld the military support at least twice. On Monday, Trump told reporters that his decision was due to concerns about corruption in Zelensky’s new government. But asked a similar question on Tuesday, Trump’s talking point suddenly changed: now he said he’d withheld the aid out of frustration that European countries were not doing enough to support Ukraine themselves.
“My complaint has always been, and I’d withhold again, and I’ll continue to withhold until such time as Europe and other nations contribute to Ukraine, because they’re not doing it,” Trump told reporters ahead of his speech to the United Nations General Assembly."

TexasBushwhacker

(20,185 posts)
16. Trump is full of shit
Sun Dec 1, 2019, 08:56 PM
Dec 2019

This "aid" was approved by BOTH PARTIES in Congress. A big part of the reason we have such deep pockets for countries like Ukraine and Israel is that they turn around and purchase weapons and military aircraft from AMERICAN companies. It's really just a fat handout to the Military Industrial Complex that Eisenhower warned us about.

Without Zelensky having to awkwardly ask "Um, where's that $400M you promised?", he said "We're ready to buy some Javelins". What's he going to buy the Javelins with? THE $400 MILLION APPROVED BY CONGRESS.

It is not Trump or Mick Motherfucker Mulvaney's right to withhold or delay that money in any way. In fact, my guess is that Trump was trying to delay the distribution to the end of the fiscal year on September 30th so that it would go back into the general fund. I'm sure that would have made Vlad happy.

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