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Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 02:04 PM Dec 2019

Lindsey discusses "bipartisan support" of censure to spare country "trauma" of impeachment trial



Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) suggested on Tuesday that President Donald Trump might be censured to prevent the country from going through a “traumatic” impeachment trial in the Senate.

Graham, who has been Trump’s biggest defender in the Senate, made the suggestion when he was asked about a possible censure, according to CBS journalist Alan He.

“Who am I to advise my Dem colleagues about what to do,” Graham reportedly said. “Censure would probably gain some bipartisan support… the country going through an impeachment trial would be traumatic and I think we should avoid that if possible.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/12/lindsey-graham-floats-censure-with-trump-in-london-senate-trial-will-be-too-traumatic-on-the-country/
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Lindsey discusses "bipartisan support" of censure to spare country "trauma" of impeachment trial (Original Post) Miles Archer Dec 2019 OP
Fuck Lindsey and his traitor party and criminal president. Lock them all up. onecaliberal Dec 2019 #1
Sounds like wryter2000 Dec 2019 #2
Right - because who would censure an innocent man? dchill Dec 2019 #7
Not necessarily karynnj Dec 2019 #52
He does say censure would get some bipartisan support wryter2000 Dec 2019 #56
It's not so much "traumatic" as it is "catharsis," Lindsey. dchill Dec 2019 #3
Spare J_William_Ryan Dec 2019 #4
That was put on the table for Clinton by Democrats in 1998 Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2019 #5
THIS 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻 LenaBaby61 Dec 2019 #27
Spot on. yonder Dec 2019 #39
Graham wasn't interested on settling for censure when he was prosecuting Clinton DFW Dec 2019 #63
Sign me up too on your hypothesis. MFGsunny Dec 2019 #64
Which of course Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2019 #67
You hit the nail on the head. llmart Dec 2019 #68
...and the horse you rode in on. pecosbob Dec 2019 #6
Two words malaise Dec 2019 #8
With you... Zoonart Dec 2019 #16
2 more: Bill Clinton maxsolomon Dec 2019 #48
+1,000 malaise Dec 2019 #49
Do you remember the good old days Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2019 #61
Traumatic for you, asshole. louis-t Dec 2019 #9
Poor Lindsey Graham... well, I never! Lawdy! NurseJackie Dec 2019 #10
Bless his heart, he MEANS well... Buns_of_Fire Dec 2019 #21
Here's an amateur comedian that tickles my funny bone! NurseJackie Dec 2019 #38
Shorter Sen. Graham: President Trump should be above the law gratuitous Dec 2019 #11
Through THIS statement i see a BIG CRACK developing! bluestarone Dec 2019 #12
Sounds like a retreat C_U_L8R Dec 2019 #13
It's far easier to ignore a censure... Hugin Dec 2019 #14
Tell them to stick their censure up their collective asses spanone Dec 2019 #15
Censure will show him.🙄 dewsgirl Dec 2019 #17
Hmmmm...perhaps the evidence piling up against rump is getting to the point where it is ... SWBTATTReg Dec 2019 #18
Let's Buy Into Graham's Suggestion ProfessorGAC Dec 2019 #19
Coward. Nt BootinUp Dec 2019 #20
Censure is a slap on the wrist. He has other intentions. YOHABLO Dec 2019 #22
I'll accept the same censure deal calguy Dec 2019 #23
I'm open to that if the censor includes opening up the presidency to federal prosecution Johonny Dec 2019 #24
There is already majority support for impeachment and removal Takket Dec 2019 #25
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2019 #26
That censure should have happened on Day One of livetohike Dec 2019 #28
Absolutely right. yonder Dec 2019 #40
Lindsey, Fuck you with a rusty, tetanus-covered railroad spike ... sideways. FiveGoodMen Dec 2019 #29
Take your "censure" and shove it up your dirty, filthy ass, Lindsey. GoCubsGo Dec 2019 #30
Bugger off, Lindsey! MineralMan Dec 2019 #31
How about wryter2000 Dec 2019 #32
I have a better idea Cartoonist Dec 2019 #33
He didn't give 2 shits about all of that back in 1998 BannonsLiver Dec 2019 #34
First of All: "Bipartisan" My Hairy Brown Buttocks! The_Counsel Dec 2019 #35
Wouldn't do a thing moondust Dec 2019 #36
This is interesting ScratchCat Dec 2019 #37
That is an interesting point. crickets Dec 2019 #43
Nah it was perfect. Remember Lindsay? gibraltar72 Dec 2019 #41
Too late, Baby GeorgeGist Dec 2019 #42
Fuck your censure bullshit. All that does is give you a fucking out. Autumn Dec 2019 #44
Traumatic? Lindsey wasn't clutching his pearls so much Wednesdays Dec 2019 #45
Why not end the ongoing trauma of the Trump presidency?! Mme. Defarge Dec 2019 #46
Recommended. H2O Man Dec 2019 #47
Freepers would never accept this as their god has done nothing wrong, Kaleva Dec 2019 #50
Fuck you Lindsey! Botany Dec 2019 #51
we knew this coming Kurt V. Dec 2019 #53
Only if he and the GOP admit the truth of what Trump did and are clear that such behavior is coti Dec 2019 #54
😂 Raftergirl Dec 2019 #55
Graham is a piece of shit. roamer65 Dec 2019 #57
The 45 presidency itself is traumatic for the country JustAnotherGen Dec 2019 #58
The impeachment trial will be like a healing balm compared to the trauma we're subjected Vinca Dec 2019 #59
A censure, for what? I thought he hadn't done anything wrong. NightWatcher Dec 2019 #60
... I'm not ready to make nice Brother Buzz Dec 2019 #62
Liar Lindsey. Leningrad Lindsey. Hekate Dec 2019 #65
Well they have reached bargaining XRubicon Dec 2019 #66
Someone needs to tell Lindsey windwardbmh Dec 2019 #69
Fuck that shit. dalton99a Dec 2019 #70
A trial, whether civil or criminal, is always traumatic for the people involved. TomSlick Dec 2019 #71
Aw, poor widdle snowflakes need a safe space? Too bad! Initech Dec 2019 #72
The only trauma is allowing Trump and the GOP to continue to OliverQ Dec 2019 #73

karynnj

(59,501 posts)
52. Not necessarily
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 05:43 PM
Dec 2019

No one asked him if HE would vote for censure. I suspect they want the Democrats to back down from impeaching Trump in the House and just censure him -- however, he is not saying any Republicans will vote for censure.

Also, consider they expect Trump to run in 2020. A censure vote that many Republicans vote will ask the question of whether they support him for re-election and why.

wryter2000

(46,025 posts)
56. He does say censure would get some bipartisan support
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 05:52 PM
Dec 2019

That suggests at least one Republican thinks Trump did something bad.

dchill

(38,462 posts)
3. It's not so much "traumatic" as it is "catharsis," Lindsey.
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 02:09 PM
Dec 2019

I hear you're being blackmailed. How does that feel?

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,401 posts)
5. That was put on the table for Clinton by Democrats in 1998
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 02:10 PM
Dec 2019

Republicans weren't quite as concerned about the "trauma" of an impeachment trial in the Senate for Clinton and him lying about a consensual affair.

What he really means IMHO is that he's scared shirtless that *something* is going to come out the hearings in the House or trial in the Senate about him or other GOPers, so they want to start talking about ways to end this altogether- before anything horrifically damaging comes out on anybody.

DFW

(54,329 posts)
63. Graham wasn't interested on settling for censure when he was prosecuting Clinton
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 06:42 PM
Dec 2019

Graham was one of the House "managers" pursuing Bill Clinton in his impeachment trial. Not just voting for impeachment, but an active participant in prosecuting him in the Senate trial. No vote for censure, but an attempt to remove him from office.

Trump, whose offenses are against the country and everyone in it, is worthy of Graham's protection? Why? What compromising photos does Trump have that make Graham so terrified of a Trump trial in the Senate that he is proposing censure as a Hail Mary attempt to stop a falling boulder with a slingshot?

MFGsunny

(2,356 posts)
64. Sign me up too on your hypothesis.
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 06:46 PM
Dec 2019

Ms. Lindsey is not as dumb as she feigns.

THE REAL REPUKE FEAR =
MF45 won't go down alone. He's taking a whole lot more ruski repuke a$$ets with him.

Zoonart

(11,844 posts)
16. With you...
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 02:22 PM
Dec 2019

F Dat Noise!

I thought he was innocent... so not you want a plea bargain? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

maxsolomon

(33,265 posts)
48. 2 more: Bill Clinton
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 05:30 PM
Dec 2019

Graham was an Impeachment Manager against Clinton, for the High Crime of Perjury over a consensual affair. THAT was essential to the nation, but THIS is not?

He is a paragon of situational ethics and hypocrisy.

louis-t

(23,284 posts)
9. Traumatic for you, asshole.
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 02:12 PM
Dec 2019

The country will do just fine. If we let this asshole get away with this, we have lost the country.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
10. Poor Lindsey Graham... well, I never! Lawdy!
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 02:14 PM
Dec 2019
he country going through an impeachment trial would be traumatic and I think we should avoid that if possible.”
His Southern-Gentleman accent, ways and mannerisms aren't fooling me for one second. He's AFRAID! None of this is sincere or honorable. What will be revealed about HIM if an impeachment trial goes forward? What's he hiding?

Buns_of_Fire

(17,173 posts)
21. Bless his heart, he MEANS well...
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 02:35 PM
Dec 2019

But screw that. The country is already traumatized. So take your concern, Lindsey, and shove it up your hibiscus.

(Oh, crap. Lindsey has fainted. Who's in charge of the smelling salts today?)

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
11. Shorter Sen. Graham: President Trump should be above the law
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 02:14 PM
Dec 2019

Also, I don't want to have to vote on an impeachment trial in the Senate, because it's a no-win situation for me.

Too bad, Senator. Suck it up and get ready to do your constitutional duty. You and your like-minded colleagues can always resign your seats if that's too onerous.

bluestarone

(16,894 posts)
12. Through THIS statement i see a BIG CRACK developing!
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 02:16 PM
Dec 2019

They ALL will fall in it! FUCK THEM ALL full speed ahead with IMPEACHMENT!!!

C_U_L8R

(44,996 posts)
13. Sounds like a retreat
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 02:17 PM
Dec 2019

It's still obnoxious but the Republican's Trump defense is eroding. You just can't build a solid case with bullshit.

Hugin

(33,110 posts)
14. It's far easier to ignore a censure...
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 02:19 PM
Dec 2019

for people like Leningrad Lindsey and Comrade Trump who have no shame.


SWBTATTReg

(22,097 posts)
18. Hmmmm...perhaps the evidence piling up against rump is getting to the point where it is ...
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 02:26 PM
Dec 2019

getting too hard to ignore? Excuses can't make it go away so easily.

calguy

(5,303 posts)
23. I'll accept the same censure deal
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 02:46 PM
Dec 2019

that they gave to Bill Clinton, whose "crimes" were petty compared to this clown's abuses of office.

Johonny

(20,827 posts)
24. I'm open to that if the censor includes opening up the presidency to federal prosecution
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 02:56 PM
Dec 2019

and removes Barr's unconstitutional position.

Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

livetohike

(22,133 posts)
28. That censure should have happened on Day One of
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 03:08 PM
Dec 2019

this debacle of a presidency. Trump was permitted to behave like an ass without any rebuke. The impeachment has to go forward with or without the cowardly GOP.

GoCubsGo

(32,078 posts)
30. Take your "censure" and shove it up your dirty, filthy ass, Lindsey.
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 03:19 PM
Dec 2019

I join the millions who will NOT be "traumatized" by impeachment. I look forward to it, and hope your corrupt ass gets exposed in the process.

The_Counsel

(1,660 posts)
35. First of All: "Bipartisan" My Hairy Brown Buttocks!
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 03:30 PM
Dec 2019

If Graham gets even ONE Dem vote for censure (and we all know that means Mr. Manchin of West Virginia ) they will consider it "bipartisan," though it will be nowhere near that.

Secondly, did Mr. Graham support censure for Mr. Clinton when all he did was lie about an embarrassing affair (and not even under oath)? Meanwhile, lying is the native tongue of the guy Leningrad Lindsey's protecting today.

ScratchCat

(1,977 posts)
37. This is interesting
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 03:31 PM
Dec 2019

Because Lindsey seems to not say anything unless pressed by Trump to do so. So, does that mean that maybe, just maybe, Trump is telling Lindsey to do this because he knows he loses support once all the hearings are said and done? Lindsey didn't just come out on his own and essentially "walk back"* the "he's innocent" nonsense without someone telling him to.

(* You don't offer up "censure" if someone is innocent, thus he walked it back)

crickets

(25,959 posts)
43. That is an interesting point.
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 04:14 PM
Dec 2019

I doubt Lindsey is saying or doing anything these days without specific marching orders. It's only a question of who's giving them to him.

Mme. Defarge

(8,020 posts)
46. Why not end the ongoing trauma of the Trump presidency?!
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 05:06 PM
Dec 2019

That is not hyperbole. When will our ongoing national nightmare finally be over?

H2O Man

(73,524 posts)
47. Recommended.
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 05:06 PM
Dec 2019

Last week, in one (or two) of the essays I posted, I noted that several republican Senators were putting out the trial balloon of censure rather than impeachment. At least two had brought it up in off-the-record conversations with Democrats.

Botany

(70,480 posts)
51. Fuck you Lindsey!
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 05:42 PM
Dec 2019

" .. the country going through an impeachment trial would be traumatic ..." R you shitting me Mr. B.J.
Hunter?

coti

(4,612 posts)
54. Only if he and the GOP admit the truth of what Trump did and are clear that such behavior is
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 05:46 PM
Dec 2019

a betrayal of our country and a corruption of the integrity of our elections, a fundamental piece of our democracy, as well as our foreign policy. Admit that, and I don't care what you call the rebuke.

JustAnotherGen

(31,798 posts)
58. The 45 presidency itself is traumatic for the country
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 06:34 PM
Dec 2019

If the worst thing that could happen is more trauma? Then I say go for it.

Vinca

(50,249 posts)
59. The impeachment trial will be like a healing balm compared to the trauma we're subjected
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 06:36 PM
Dec 2019

to on a daily basis by Individual One.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
60. A censure, for what? I thought he hadn't done anything wrong.
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 06:38 PM
Dec 2019

If he's done wrong, remove, but y'all said it was perfect.

Brother Buzz

(36,407 posts)
62. ... I'm not ready to make nice
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 06:41 PM
Dec 2019

I'm not ready to back down
I'm still mad as hell, and I don't have time
To go 'round and 'round and 'round…

Hekate

(90,617 posts)
65. Liar Lindsey. Leningrad Lindsey.
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 06:57 PM
Dec 2019

If Dems agreed to only censure, that offer would disappear so fast it would make their heads spin.

windwardbmh

(8 posts)
69. Someone needs to tell Lindsey
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 07:43 PM
Dec 2019

Bribing a foreign government to get dirt on a political opponent is a little more serious than lying about getting your carrot waxed.

TomSlick

(11,096 posts)
71. A trial, whether civil or criminal, is always traumatic for the people involved.
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 08:07 PM
Dec 2019

An impeachment is no different.

Despite the trauma, sometimes a trial is simply required in the interests of justice. Irrespective of the outcome, justice requires impeachment.

Initech

(100,054 posts)
72. Aw, poor widdle snowflakes need a safe space? Too bad!
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 09:21 PM
Dec 2019

Don't commit the crime if you can't do the time!

 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
73. The only trauma is allowing Trump and the GOP to continue to
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 09:23 PM
Dec 2019

destroy the country. They had no problem putting America through the trauma of impeachment when Bill Clinton lied about an affair.

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