****Live Impeachment hearing - THREAD 2****

[BumRushDaShow]

[BumRushDaShow]

1. Jonathan Turley concluding his opening remarks.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

36. impeachment hearing thread 1 ...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212749664


(posting in reply here, to find it easier)

[BumRushDaShow]

40. The original thread was getting large and we have some folks on dialup

So have been trying to keep the threads at not too much over 100 posts each.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

47. yes, I appreciate that ...

I missed the first half hour and was able to get the missed highlights by reading the first thread.

I'm not on dialup, but it feels like it sometimes. It takes several seconds for the OP to display as my slow carrier looks up youtube, etc.

[BumRushDaShow]

58. Yup

Years ago when I was on dialup and then DSL (before I got Comcast digital) it was a nuisance!!!!

[SummerSnow]

122. He doesn't provide any defense of Trumps "innocence"

[BumRushDaShow]

123. He made and continued to make arguments that were counter to the GOP narrative.

[BumRushDaShow]

2. Motion from GOP to bring in the whistleblower and voting to table (I think motion from Armstrong)

[BumRushDaShow]

6. Motion tabled. 45 minutes of questions from Chair/Ranking member & counsels. Nadler starts

[Towlie]

3. "Even my dog is mad . . . and Luna is a golden doodle and they are never mad."

"Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, I have one final thing I want you to consider. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense! Why would a Wookiee, an 8-foot-tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of 2-foot-tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this case? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense!"

[underpants]

17. PERFECT

[louis-t]

127. Turley was useless today.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

4. Eating up time with these roll call votes.

[nolabear]

5. They're going to hold this up forever. Can Nadler make them stay late?

Is there a required adjournment time? Could he just say “We have to get through this. Bring supplies.”

[crickets]

7. Good that Nadler goes through the rules before questions -

heads off some of the senseless parliamentary inquiries right away.

Again.

[ancianita]

10. Glad to see Nadler question witnesses in order to more highly amplify their statements' key points.

Most excellent Chairman Nadler!

[crickets]

14. GMTA; I was just commenting on the same thing. nt

[CapnSteve]

8. Turley is a weasel.

I hope they get his position on Pres. Clinton's impeachment (he was for it and removal). And now he is against. Hmm...

[napi21]

43. I must say, I mam shocked by Turley's statements. I always repected him as a very inteligent

professor of law, and very common sense man. My jaw dropped when I heard him saying how wrong the Dems were to do this impeachment. I hope to hear from him again to understand his rational.

[RainCaster]

87. He will be the star of the GOP time

So we will get to hear his musings.

[backtoblue]

9. Nadler bringing up stonewalling/obstruction

[BumRushDaShow]

11. Nadler has now handed off to the Democrats' counsel Norman Eisen.

[greatauntoftriplets]

60. I'm madly in love with Norm Eisen.

He's one smart guy.

[BumRushDaShow]

63. LOL

He took no shit from Jonathan Turley!

[greatauntoftriplets]

91. He seems to mild mannered...

yet he has a way of getting to the heart of things quickly. Great mind.

[BumRushDaShow]

106. Yup!

[crickets]

12. As good as the witnesses are, I applaud the excellent questions chosen for them so far.

They're getting right to the point of what Trump has done and why these acts are impeachable.

[C_U_L8R]

13. Turley is chopped liver

He may as well take a stroll around the block... maybe he can go read the Constitution.

[The_Counsel]

66. I'm Sure the GOP Counsel Will Focus on Him a Lot When the Time Comes.

The Dems have no real use for Turley other than as a whipping boy.

No need to come off as complete bullies. At least not right away anyway...

[underpants]

15. I liked thread 1 better

[backtoblue]

16. OT

They showed a clip of Bill Taylor's testimony and it seems like so long ago....these patriots will be quoted and studied far into our future histories.

(Also, I was smoking a J when the screen went to Taylor. Took me a second to figure out he wasnt back lol)

[BumRushDaShow]

21. LOL @ the maryjane need to watch this

[backtoblue]

25. Hehe

[tazkcmo]

128. And to read it

I just got home from work and I'm catching up reading the threads. I too need to Mary Jane! BTW, thank you for doing this.

[BumRushDaShow]

18. Eisen going after what Turley wrote in the WSJ

[backtoblue]

19. Lol, he was forced to chew on his own words

[BumRushDaShow]

24. And cut him off from trying to move a goal post by telling him it was a yes or no question

[crickets]

26. That was masterful.

Turley treated it as amusing. It's appalling he didn't seem to have the decency to be embarrassed.

[Arthur_Frain]

42. Should have given him rope IMHO

I’m betting that a further point could have been made by pointing out that everything he was about to add had no bearing on the actual impeachment hearings.

This is like Christmas for me today, i didn’t even know this was going to be televised! I absolutely love how the democrats seem to have decided to treat the republicans accordingly, and conduct the entire proceedings as if it were under the banner of the “XXXX for Idiots” guides.

[ancianita]

20. Most excellent demolishing of his anti-impeachment opening statement.

[Auggie]

22. In case anyone cares, I'm loving this

[ancianita]

23. Me,too. Can't WAIT for Rethugs to DARE ask Karlan ANYTHING. She'll have their balls.

[crickets]

27. Karlan is on fire! nt

[BumRushDaShow]

30. Her passion has really been on display

[hlthe2b]

31. Hah! Rick Wilson's comment on Karlan: "I like the cut of Pamela Karlan's jib."

Link to tweet

[crickets]

35. Ha! I have to agree.

[bluestarone]

28. Couldn't agree more!!

She is the women of the year so far in my books!! She is super on FIRE!!!! The Rethugs would be wise to STAY AWAY from questioning her!!

[Mersky]

39. Lol. Well put.

[Auggie]

95. +1

[Hortensis]

46. "We are the shining city on the hill."

At a less elevated level, I loved her calling out presumed Satan's agent Pastor Doug Collins for his attempt to slander her integrity.

[Satch59]

29. Where does she teach? Sign me up!

Can’t imagine GOP will ask her any question... she’s fantastic and here’s to all the women of these hearings...superstars!

[BumRushDaShow]

33. She is a professor at Stanford and an appellate attorney (according to CSPAN)

[backtoblue]

34. +1

[crickets]

32. This is a lot of time being spent on discussing betrayal of national security.

Last time I checked, betrayal of national security is treason. Everyone seems to dance around that word, but it is there.

[blogslut]

37. So, when it's the GOPer's turn...

Are they going to ice out the three sane witnesses and just ask questions from Turley?

[BumRushDaShow]

44. Each side (for the initial round with Chair/Ranking member) gets 45 minutes

[backtoblue]

53. Same rules as before?

45 for only counsel or ranking member without being able to yield time to others?

[BumRushDaShow]

61. I think in general

although I hadn't been able to find anything for their rules as explicit as what the Intelligence Committee had put into place for their hearings (i.e., there wasn't an actual House resolution).

[BumRushDaShow]

101. UPDATE - when they started up again

Nadler referenced House Resolution 660 - which is what the Intelligence Committee used (I think there was a section in there that did reference the Judiciary Committee but it was not as detailed as the Intelligence rules.

[Wednesdays]

49. I sure wouldn't bet the house against it. nm

[Raftergirl]

92. Probably.

I think it’s quite typical. When my cousin (a sports economist) had to testify regarding college athletes being paid, only the D’s asked him any questions. This was a few years ago when the R’s had the majority. They had 3 witnesses on their side (one was Ken Starr who was President of Baylor at the time.) The R’s didn’t ask my cousin one question.

[Ninga]

38. Help. Just started listening. Who is questioning the experts?

[BumRushDaShow]

45. This is Norm Eisen - the counsel for the Democrats on the Judiciary committee

[Mersky]

51. Democrats' counsel: Norman Eisen

He’s sharp. I like his hair - mesmerizing.

[luvs2sing]

52. My thoughts exactly!

Love the questions and the hair!

[Mersky]

70. Kinda wish I could pull off that look

I think he’s stunning.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

41. I was afraid this first day would be boring; it is NOT

[BumRushDaShow]

48. That's because Karlan is bringing the whole concept to light with her passion

[flamingdem]

54. She's great!

[luvs2sing]

50. Who is the woman behind Prof. Karlan..

and why does she look so bereft?

[PatSeg]

56. She does

It looks like she is even blinking back tears.

[luvs2sing]

62. I swear she welled up when..

Prof. Karlan talked about her mail order turkey.

[underpants]

65. Oh come on

You have to give those of us who aren’t watching some more info on that.

[PatSeg]

72. There is a woman sitting behind Prof. Karlan

who looks very sad, though I can't tie it to anything Karlan is saying, as she has looked like that for some time. The blinking is rather persistent, so maybe she has a problem with her contacts, but she sure does look sad.

[PatSeg]

69. Now I'm even more curious

about who she is.

[luvs2sing]

71. Prof. Karlan said she had..

mail order turkey for Thanksgiving because she was too busy preparing for this hearing. There is a woman sitting behind her who has been looking on the verge of tears through the whole hearing. I don’t know who she is, but the turkey comment seemed to almost push her over the edge.

[PatSeg]

74. Okay

So that is when it appears to have started then? I wasn't watching her until I read your comment.

[luvs2sing]

77. No, it was before that.

I was trying to figure out earlier if there were tears on her face or overzealous highlighter. She has looked this way from the beginning.

[PatSeg]

107. Perhaps it has nothing to do with the hearings then

[luvs2sing]

110. Just saw her walking back into the room with Feldman

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She didn’t look weepy then. So maybe connected to him.

[hlthe2b]

118. who is "Waterman?"

[luvs2sing]

124. Sorry..Feldman. Noah Feldman.

One of the witnesses. Massive brain fart.

[BumRushDaShow]

55. Eisen questions driving home that "not carrying out an illegal act" doesn't mean you didn't commit

a crime - the attempt itself becomes its own crime.

[ancianita]

57. Media must replay that statement every. damn. day.

[crickets]

68. "The attempt itself was the impeachable act."

- as was illustrated by the charges brought against Richard Nixon. I love how Nixon has been the example several times now. Funny how Clinton's case just doesn't seem to apply to this testimony.

[The_Counsel]

79. Exactly!

You don't get to get away with attempting a crime just because you suck at it.

To paraphrase Andy Dufresne in "The Shawshank Redemption": Maybe Team Trump should have considered being better criminals...?

[backtoblue]

59. CSPAN stopping live coverage

Showing on cspan 3 and online only

[BumRushDaShow]

67. I've been watching CSPAN3 on TV

I know that regular CSPAN will break away if the House is in session.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

80. local broadcast ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS continuing

[Mersky]

64. Prof. Karlan recounted the most chilling part of the previous testimony

When Sondland described that Ukraine didn’t actually have to investigate for corruption, that they only had announce such. She went on to say that this showed it wasn’t about corruption, but only the appearance of pursuing dirt on a particularly hard political opponent.

Further, she said that the Constitution is indifferent about who is the next president. It only cares about the three elections. I took this to mean the Constitution doesn’t exist to protect tRump’s re-election.

I’ll rewatch this section from ~ 11:52am ET. Is so good.

On edit: added "the appearance" as that more correctly conveys Karlan's sentiment within my rather rough paraphrasing. Thanks, Hermit-the-Prog, for catching that drop!

[Hermit-The-Prog]

83. it's not even about "pursuing dirt", it's about claiming there's an investigation

Trump didn't want any conclusions; he wanted some 'clouds and shadows' to point through for as long as needed.

Example:
In NYT's Hillary Clinton Coverage, An Obsession With 'Clouds' And 'Shadows'

[Mersky]

88. True, true, true

I'll edit and note my post. Thanks!

[crickets]

90. +1

[BumRushDaShow]

73. **** Eisen done - 10 MINUTE RECESS*** will pickup with the GOP when they return

[Mersky]

75. Lol. Nadler. Ten minute humanitarian recess.

I’m gonna borrow that phrase for later.

[BumRushDaShow]

78. Yeah that was a hoot

[Mersky]

84. Hehehe.Was glad he remembered we're only human.

Needed the recess, yes, I did.

[BumRushDaShow]

89. I couldn't wait. Have been up and down during the past 2 hours

[Mersky]

126. I know how it goes.

Am anticipating a few built-in breaks this afternoon. Repugs will likely just display how much they’ve given up on their responsibilities.

[nolabear]

76. Recess, and on to the circus. I hope the witnesses stay strong.

They have nothing on whether it’s impeachable, so I expect them to attack the integrity, honesty, and absence of prejudice of the witnesses.

They’ve been so measured and so patriotic.

[BumRushDaShow]

81. I expect the GOP will focus on Turley making their argument

and their counsel will probably do misleading questioning the other 3...

ETA - and at Collins' presser outside the hearing room, he literally just said that they were going to focus on working Turley for their side.

[nolabear]

85. Just looked in on Fox. You're exactly right.

[crickets]

86. If Turley's earlier remarks are any indication

the Republicans will get their soundbites, but they will not be very convincing ones.

[BumRushDaShow]

96. They don't need to be convincing for their base

[crickets]

82. I have to echo others on how little I expected from today's hearing.

I thought it was going to be dry and uninteresting, and I could not have been more pleasantly surprised. This is the most fascinating live civics lesson ever. I am so impressed at the depth of knowledge and passion present in the witnesses, Turley notwithstanding. I hope teachers are posting these hearings as assignments to their students.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

93. Agree. Hey, what do you think about figuring out how many

Ukrainian soldiers died during the 55 day hostage taking of aid...I mean "pause" ?

Would that be too crude?

[crickets]

112. Their families wouldn't find it crude.

I wouldn't either, and I wish more of a point was made that our president got many people killed by illegally withholding aid already passed by Congress.

So, no. It would not be too crude at all.

[backtoblue]

97. I'm whole heartedly intrigued and fascinated

This may be one of the biggest learning experiences ive sat and watched.

[Raftergirl]

94. It's been fasinating so far.

But I expect the next 45 minutes will turn into a shit show - with the R’s and Turkey having to twist themselves into pretzels.

So I’m off to do my errands and I’ll listen to MSNBC on Sirius in the car.

[Wednesdays]

98. Thread #3?

Now that we're returning from recess?

[BumRushDaShow]

99. ***BACK IN SESSION***

[crickets]

104. 1. Collins is apparently a petty, whiny baby;

2. He is taking his time getting around to actually addressing a witness;
3. Turley isn't getting a question for now, just an open mic.

[BumRushDaShow]

108. And whining he did.

[Mersky]

100. Ding dang darn collins is up

Being a transcriber’s nightmare

[backtoblue]

105. And....

Announces his chair is freezing his ass...what a fake asshole

[ChubbyStar]

117. He should be thankful he lost his balls years ago

I understand it is painful if they get too cold!

[Mersky]

125. collins whining about his butt, and then

When the hearing resumes, maybe he’ll ask for a kleenex? Ya know, because he’s allergic to facts, laws, Dems...

I kinda wished he had a chapstick habit. Constantly reapplying seems fitting somehow.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

102. If it's so "cold in the hearing room," maybe Gym Jordan should find a coat somewhere.

[PatSeg]

109. Ha, ha, ha!!!

Someone should offer him a jacket, hint, hint. Thinks he's being a maverick, but he's really just being an asshole.

[BumRushDaShow]

103. Collins is a fucking idiot whining about the room temperature

[rainy]

111. Wow Turkey's job is to bore us to sleep

So not as compelling as the others.

[BumRushDaShow]

115. He is all they have

and he's doing a poor job of it.

[crickets]

116. BSing usually is not as compelling as sincerity. Turley's trying to put on a show, but

he's just not a very good actor. nt

[BumRushDaShow]

113. ****Live Impeachment hearing - THREAD 3**** up

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212750515

[dweller]

114. Turley's dog don't hunt (he's mad you know)

and jazz (and yep, he does
jazz hands)
🤣

✌🏼

[Mersky]

119. From the start of his speechifying: Turkey/Turley didn't have a robust exchange

With the majority counsel, because he’s not here to have an exchange. The majority knows he’s there to obfuscate and bamboozle up a ledge for rw media to try to stand on.

Hehhhh, ‘dog will hunt’ language. Bleh. Is trying to narrow the definition of bribery down to say you can’t ever accuse a president of bribery. Is logic from the same legal circles that have made it increasingly difficult to exact justice in a political environment awash in outsized influences from the wealthy and power hungry.

Oh gawd, ‘trap door crime’ will be on faux news chyrons. Editing to add: this trap door language is projection.

[rainy]

120. Turkey is only there to give Republicans an

out to vote no. Too fast, won’t work bla bla bla past impeachment’s.....

[gristy]

121. Between Collins and Turley, the number of straw men being put forth

is remarkable. I presume/hope there is a no-smoking ordinance in that room!