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ScratchCat

(1,942 posts)
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:42 PM Dec 2019

Lindsey heard the tapes

I've been told Lindsey Graham has heard the tapes that Gulliani's henchman provided and that is why he has had this "change of heart" and brought up "censure" over impeachment. He has seen the writing on the wall and knows other (R)'s in the Senate will convict.

Take it for what its worth.

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Lindsey heard the tapes (Original Post) ScratchCat Dec 2019 OP
drip ... dweller Dec 2019 #1
Don't believe you're right, but I sure am hoping you are. Arthur_Frain Dec 2019 #2
Sex tapes may exist but for certain the Kompromat is SayItLoud Dec 2019 #21
Leningrad Lindsey is so flexible in his corruption RainCaster Dec 2019 #3
I think it's that he sees that there will be a price to be paid for letting trump off the hook... Salviati Dec 2019 #4
A slap on the wrist Scarsdale Dec 2019 #25
Spot on JustAnotherGen Dec 2019 #31
"other (R)'s in the Senate will convict." Nope. nt LexVegas Dec 2019 #5
Depends on who told you. Sneederbunk Dec 2019 #6
Yeah, "I've been told" SCantiGOP Dec 2019 #10
For the other party, "Many people are saying..." is just fine. CaptYossarian Dec 2019 #23
What we know now is duforsure Dec 2019 #7
Seen on the Twitter: Pick a side. America. Or Trump. /nt bucolic_frolic Dec 2019 #8
I don't necessarily think that he believes that the Senate will convict Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2019 #9
They sure wouldn't convict today SCantiGOP Dec 2019 #12
This. He just wants the investigations to stop. nt crickets Dec 2019 #13
If they are worried Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2019 #14
Lindsey Graham changes his mind and opinions Golden Raisin Dec 2019 #11
I was going to say that Lindsey Graham changes his mind ... aggiesal Dec 2019 #35
I hold no hope that the Senate will convict MontanaMama Dec 2019 #15
Well something has altered Little Lindsey's course BlueIdaho Dec 2019 #16
None the less... BadGimp Dec 2019 #17
+1 -nt. okieinpain Dec 2019 #39
Raw story has the quote, sorry can't link grantcart Dec 2019 #18
No to censure! Catherine Vincent Dec 2019 #19
Lindseed had a brain flip from right side to left side. No one knows NCjack Dec 2019 #20
It happened because he has a viable opponent in 2020. CaptYossarian Dec 2019 #24
No chance Senate will remove FrankBooth Dec 2019 #22
😳 This could be what the meeting with Pence dewsgirl Dec 2019 #26
I want to believe! Iliyah Dec 2019 #27
I might be wrong but I think that when the proof is overwhelming some of the senate will vote to ... Botany Dec 2019 #28
Add that development to my recent speculation. Mme. Defarge Dec 2019 #29
First Thought Cheviteau Dec 2019 #30
If the vote in the Senate were taken by secret ballot, PatrickforO Dec 2019 #32
But the other side of that coin is Mr.Bill Dec 2019 #33
Good point. PatrickforO Dec 2019 #36
Oh please, please, please!!! Let it be TRUE! liberalla Dec 2019 #34
No, I do not think other Repug Senators will convict-maybe a few. riversedge Dec 2019 #37
👍 Joinfortmill Dec 2019 #38

Arthur_Frain

(1,743 posts)
2. Don't believe you're right, but I sure am hoping you are.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:48 PM
Dec 2019

In this day and age, when everything is surveilled, and everybody leaks, I look askance on this kind of idea. The fact remains that just like the purported videos of Cheeto face with underage Russian hookers/teenage miss universe contestants (take your pick), and whether pissing was involved or not, if those tapes really existed they would have been made public by now.

A payday that big doesn’t get missed.

SayItLoud

(1,695 posts)
21. Sex tapes may exist but for certain the Kompromat is
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 02:39 PM
Dec 2019

that tRUMP Organization is owned/controlled by someone other than tRUMP. He's but a logo on a shell. Much like his towers; name not owner. Just sayin....IMO

Salviati

(6,001 posts)
4. I think it's that he sees that there will be a price to be paid for letting trump off the hook...
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 01:14 PM
Dec 2019

... so that he's pushing a strategy that will forestall any vote in the senate that will put them on the record.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
25. A slap on the wrist
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 02:54 PM
Dec 2019

is not enough for what tRump has done. He will just ignore that, he needs to be completely stripped of all the privileges he has flaunted. He has strutted around spending the taxpayer cash like it is his personal piggy bank. Time to pay the price. He holds hate rallies, then leaves the town to cover the bills, at taxpayer expense. Old habits die hard. He is a deadbeat, as many small contractors came to understand over many years.

JustAnotherGen

(31,631 posts)
31. Spot on
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 03:24 PM
Dec 2019

That's why I'm lower case 'o'kay if the Senate does not vote to impeach.

I want every single one of them on the record.

SCantiGOP

(13,841 posts)
10. Yeah, "I've been told"
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 01:58 PM
Dec 2019

is not adequate to start a thread on DU, much less accept as something to be disseminated.

CaptYossarian

(6,448 posts)
23. For the other party, "Many people are saying..." is just fine.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 02:44 PM
Dec 2019

Even if all those voices are inside just one head.

duforsure

(11,880 posts)
7. What we know now is
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 01:42 PM
Dec 2019

Just the tip of the ice berg the crimes trump has done, and is involved in, and the republican's are digging themselves a hole they not be able to get out of very soon from it. Then be exposed for their involvement in conspiring to commit crimes with and for trump. I think they've already lost , and now risk their party's future from protecting and their criminal involvement . Or we have no system of justice at all. Their excuses and flimsy claims, and accusations aren't working any longer now. The republicans in Congress will have to remove him knowing a lot more will expose them as well.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,338 posts)
9. I don't necessarily think that he believes that the Senate will convict
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 01:54 PM
Dec 2019

I think that his advocacy of censure is more of a desire to avoid having even more damaging details- possibly to himself and/or other GOPers- spill out during an Impeachment Trial. Sort of like he wants a "settlement" that ends everything. He's scared IMHO.

SCantiGOP

(13,841 posts)
12. They sure wouldn't convict today
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 02:02 PM
Dec 2019

But Nixon has a safe margin in the Senate until his tapes came out.
We need some patriot to leak a tape to prove Trump’s criminal behavior. He, like Caeser, has a lot of enemies who despise him around him every day.

Golden Raisin

(4,593 posts)
11. Lindsey Graham changes his mind and opinions
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 02:01 PM
Dec 2019

from day to day like a weather-vane in a hurricane. Black today. White tomorrow. Back to black the next day.

aggiesal

(8,850 posts)
35. I was going to say that Lindsey Graham changes his mind ...
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 03:53 PM
Dec 2019

as often as he changes his underwear, but then thought, maybe he doesn't
change his underwear all that often.
Black today, same Black tomorrow. White the day after tomorrow.

MontanaMama

(23,219 posts)
15. I hold no hope that the Senate will convict
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 02:13 PM
Dec 2019

or that Lindsey will not change his mind yet again with any change in the political wind.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
16. Well something has altered Little Lindsey's course
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 02:15 PM
Dec 2019

I would not be surprised if he has heard something explosive that will later come to light.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
20. Lindseed had a brain flip from right side to left side. No one knows
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 02:35 PM
Dec 2019

why that happened, but expect a reversal as soon as Liar-#45 returns.

CaptYossarian

(6,448 posts)
24. It happened because he has a viable opponent in 2020.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 02:48 PM
Dec 2019

"Chrisley" Graham may be unemployed (imprisoned?) soon.

FrankBooth

(1,598 posts)
22. No chance Senate will remove
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 02:41 PM
Dec 2019

About as likely as Dotard apologizing for something.

But it does show the Republican Senators would be very, very open to ANYTHING that allows them to skip the acquittal vote. Which is why impeachment must (& will) happen.

Botany

(70,219 posts)
28. I might be wrong but I think that when the proof is overwhelming some of the senate will vote to ...
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 03:01 PM
Dec 2019

... dump Trump. Except for some of those who are on Vlad's payroll and or know about just
how dirty the elections and voting machines are now and have been in the past.

Cheviteau

(383 posts)
30. First Thought
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 03:13 PM
Dec 2019

That was the first thing I thought when Graham mentioned 'censure' the other day. He's looking for a way out of impeachment. Floating censure is not going to work. Republicans are going to be forced to show what they're made of. I cautiously and hopefully predict conviction.

PatrickforO

(14,479 posts)
32. If the vote in the Senate were taken by secret ballot,
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 03:28 PM
Dec 2019

Trump would find himself sitting on his ass out in the parking lot with a pink slip.

If they have the vote publicly, hard to say. I'd love to see enough Republicans in the Senate vote to remove, and failing that, I believe a simple majority can forbid Trump from holding elected office after he leaves the presidency in January 2021.

Mr.Bill

(24,031 posts)
33. But the other side of that coin is
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 03:36 PM
Dec 2019

if the ballot was secret, those who voted not to convict could claim the opposite if that was politically expedient in the future.

Conviction or not, I want to know how they voted and I want them to live with it for the rest of their lives and for it to be in the first paragraph in their obituary.

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