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Wed Dec 4, 2019, 11:42 AM

ScratchCat (1,428 posts)

Lindsey heard the tapes

I've been told Lindsey Graham has heard the tapes that Gulliani's henchman provided and that is why he has had this "change of heart" and brought up "censure" over impeachment. He has seen the writing on the wall and knows other (R)'s in the Senate will convict.

Take it for what its worth.

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39 replies	Author	Time	Post
Lindsey heard the tapes (Original post)	ScratchCat	Dec 2019	OP
drip ...	dweller	Dec 2019	#1
Don't believe you're right, but I sure am hoping you are.	Arthur_Frain	Dec 2019	#2
Sex tapes may exist but for certain the Kompromat is	SayItLoud	Dec 2019	#21
Leningrad Lindsey is so flexible in his corruption	RainCaster	Dec 2019	#3
I think it's that he sees that there will be a price to be paid for letting trump off the hook...	Salviati	Dec 2019	#4
A slap on the wrist	Scarsdale	Dec 2019	#25
Spot on	JustAnotherGen	Dec 2019	#31
"other (R)'s in the Senate will convict." Nope. nt	LexVegas	Dec 2019	#5
Depends on who told you.	Sneederbunk	Dec 2019	#6
Yeah, "I've been told"	SCantiGOP	Dec 2019	#10
For the other party, "Many people are saying..." is just fine.	CaptYossarian	Dec 2019	#23
What we know now is	duforsure	Dec 2019	#7
Seen on the Twitter: Pick a side. America. Or Trump. /nt	bucolic_frolic	Dec 2019	#8
I don't necessarily think that he believes that the Senate will convict	Proud Liberal Dem	Dec 2019	#9
They sure wouldn't convict today	SCantiGOP	Dec 2019	#12
This. He just wants the investigations to stop. nt	crickets	Dec 2019	#13
If they are worried	Proud Liberal Dem	Dec 2019	#14
Lindsey Graham changes his mind and opinions	Golden Raisin	Dec 2019	#11
I was going to say that Lindsey Graham changes his mind ...	aggiesal	Dec 2019	#35
I hold no hope that the Senate will convict	MontanaMama	Dec 2019	#15
Well something has altered Little Lindsey's course	BlueIdaho	Dec 2019	#16
None the less...	BadGimp	Dec 2019	#17
+1 -nt.	okieinpain	Dec 2019	#39
Raw story has the quote, sorry can't link	grantcart	Dec 2019	#18
No to censure!	Catherine Vincent	Dec 2019	#19
Lindseed had a brain flip from right side to left side. No one knows	NCjack	Dec 2019	#20
It happened because he has a viable opponent in 2020.	CaptYossarian	Dec 2019	#24
No chance Senate will remove	FrankBooth	Dec 2019	#22
😳 This could be what the meeting with Pence	dewsgirl	Dec 2019	#26
I want to believe!	Iliyah	Dec 2019	#27
I might be wrong but I think that when the proof is overwhelming some of the senate will vote to ...	Botany	Dec 2019	#28
Add that development to my recent speculation.	Mme. Defarge	Dec 2019	#29
First Thought	Cheviteau	Dec 2019	#30
If the vote in the Senate were taken by secret ballot,	PatrickforO	Dec 2019	#32
But the other side of that coin is	Mr.Bill	Dec 2019	#33
Good point.	PatrickforO	Dec 2019	#36
Oh please, please, please!!! Let it be TRUE!	liberalla	Dec 2019	#34
No, I do not think other Repug Senators will convict-maybe a few.	riversedge	Dec 2019	#37
👍	Joinfortmill	Dec 2019	#38

Response to ScratchCat (Original post)

Wed Dec 4, 2019, 11:43 AM

dweller (17,341 posts)

1. drip ...

drip ...

✌🏼

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Wed Dec 4, 2019, 11:48 AM

Arthur_Frain (761 posts)

2. Don't believe you're right, but I sure am hoping you are.

In this day and age, when everything is surveilled, and everybody leaks, I look askance on this kind of idea. The fact remains that just like the purported videos of Cheeto face with underage Russian hookers/teenage miss universe contestants (take your pick), and whether pissing was involved or not, if those tapes really existed they would have been made public by now.

A payday that big doesn’t get missed.

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Wed Dec 4, 2019, 01:39 PM

SayItLoud (1,263 posts)

21. Sex tapes may exist but for certain the Kompromat is

that tRUMP Organization is owned/controlled by someone other than tRUMP. He's but a logo on a shell. Much like his towers; name not owner. Just sayin....IMO

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Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:14 PM

RainCaster (6,405 posts)

3. Leningrad Lindsey is so flexible in his corruption

He's the perfect tool for Vladimir.

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Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:14 PM

Salviati (5,190 posts)

4. I think it's that he sees that there will be a price to be paid for letting trump off the hook...

... so that he's pushing a strategy that will forestall any vote in the senate that will put them on the record.

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Response to Salviati (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 4, 2019, 01:54 PM

Scarsdale (9,426 posts)

25. A slap on the wrist

is not enough for what tRump has done. He will just ignore that, he needs to be completely stripped of all the privileges he has flaunted. He has strutted around spending the taxpayer cash like it is his personal piggy bank. Time to pay the price. He holds hate rallies, then leaves the town to cover the bills, at taxpayer expense. Old habits die hard. He is a deadbeat, as many small contractors came to understand over many years.

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Response to Salviati (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 4, 2019, 02:24 PM

JustAnotherGen (27,217 posts)

31. Spot on

That's why I'm lower case 'o'kay if the Senate does not vote to impeach.

I want every single one of them on the record.

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Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:16 PM

LexVegas (5,114 posts)

5. "other (R)'s in the Senate will convict." Nope. nt

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Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:24 PM

Sneederbunk (7,783 posts)

6. Depends on who told you.

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Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:58 PM

SCantiGOP (10,697 posts)

10. Yeah, "I've been told"

is not adequate to start a thread on DU, much less accept as something to be disseminated.

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Wed Dec 4, 2019, 01:44 PM

CaptYossarian (6,118 posts)

23. For the other party, "Many people are saying..." is just fine.

Even if all those voices are inside just one head.

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Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:42 PM

duforsure (10,443 posts)

7. What we know now is

Just the tip of the ice berg the crimes trump has done, and is involved in, and the republican's are digging themselves a hole they not be able to get out of very soon from it. Then be exposed for their involvement in conspiring to commit crimes with and for trump. I think they've already lost , and now risk their party's future from protecting and their criminal involvement . Or we have no system of justice at all. Their excuses and flimsy claims, and accusations aren't working any longer now. The republicans in Congress will have to remove him knowing a lot more will expose them as well.

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Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:46 PM

bucolic_frolic (21,306 posts)

8. Seen on the Twitter: Pick a side. America. Or Trump. /nt

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Wed Dec 4, 2019, 12:54 PM

Proud Liberal Dem (20,572 posts)

9. I don't necessarily think that he believes that the Senate will convict

I think that his advocacy of censure is more of a desire to avoid having even more damaging details- possibly to himself and/or other GOPers- spill out during an Impeachment Trial. Sort of like he wants a "settlement" that ends everything. He's scared IMHO.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 4, 2019, 01:02 PM

SCantiGOP (10,697 posts)

12. They sure wouldn't convict today

But Nixon has a safe margin in the Senate until his tapes came out.
We need some patriot to leak a tape to prove Trump’s criminal behavior. He, like Caeser, has a lot of enemies who despise him around him every day.

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Wed Dec 4, 2019, 01:04 PM

crickets (15,191 posts)

13. This. He just wants the investigations to stop. nt

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Wed Dec 4, 2019, 01:07 PM

Proud Liberal Dem (20,572 posts)

14. If they are worried

then I take it as a good sign for us.

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Wed Dec 4, 2019, 01:01 PM

Golden Raisin (4,121 posts)

11. Lindsey Graham changes his mind and opinions

from day to day like a weather-vane in a hurricane. Black today. White tomorrow. Back to black the next day.

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Response to Golden Raisin (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 4, 2019, 02:53 PM

aggiesal (5,398 posts)

35. I was going to say that Lindsey Graham changes his mind ...

as often as he changes his underwear, but then thought, maybe he doesn't
change his underwear all that often.
Black today, same Black tomorrow. White the day after tomorrow.

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Wed Dec 4, 2019, 01:13 PM

MontanaMama (15,314 posts)

15. I hold no hope that the Senate will convict

or that Lindsey will not change his mind yet again with any change in the political wind.

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Wed Dec 4, 2019, 01:15 PM

BlueIdaho (8,160 posts)

16. Well something has altered Little Lindsey's course

I would not be surprised if he has heard something explosive that will later come to light.

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Wed Dec 4, 2019, 01:24 PM

BadGimp (3,506 posts)

17. None the less...

v

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Thu Dec 5, 2019, 04:41 AM

okieinpain (9,396 posts)

39. +1 -nt.

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Wed Dec 4, 2019, 01:27 PM

grantcart (50,834 posts)

18. Raw story has the quote, sorry can't link

Censure not impeach.

Obviously Trump woudnt agree

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Wed Dec 4, 2019, 01:34 PM

Catherine Vincent (33,753 posts)

19. No to censure!

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Wed Dec 4, 2019, 01:35 PM

NCjack (7,610 posts)

20. Lindseed had a brain flip from right side to left side. No one knows

why that happened, but expect a reversal as soon as Liar-#45 returns.

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Wed Dec 4, 2019, 01:48 PM

CaptYossarian (6,118 posts)

24. It happened because he has a viable opponent in 2020.

"Chrisley" Graham may be unemployed (imprisoned?) soon.

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Wed Dec 4, 2019, 01:41 PM

FrankBooth (1,279 posts)

22. No chance Senate will remove

About as likely as Dotard apologizing for something.

But it does show the Republican Senators would be very, very open to ANYTHING that allows them to skip the acquittal vote. Which is why impeachment must (& will) happen.

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Wed Dec 4, 2019, 01:57 PM

dewsgirl (14,299 posts)

26. 😳 This could be what the meeting with Pence

was about?

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Wed Dec 4, 2019, 01:58 PM

Iliyah (24,352 posts)

27. I want to believe!

I truly do, but alas, we are dealing with Republicans.

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Wed Dec 4, 2019, 02:01 PM

Botany (57,538 posts)

28. I might be wrong but I think that when the proof is overwhelming some of the senate will vote to ...

... dump Trump. Except for some of those who are on Vlad's payroll and or know about just
how dirty the elections and voting machines are now and have been in the past.

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Wed Dec 4, 2019, 02:01 PM

Mme. Defarge (6,206 posts)

29. Add that development to my recent speculation.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212750822

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Wed Dec 4, 2019, 02:13 PM

Cheviteau (377 posts)

30. First Thought

That was the first thing I thought when Graham mentioned 'censure' the other day. He's looking for a way out of impeachment. Floating censure is not going to work. Republicans are going to be forced to show what they're made of. I cautiously and hopefully predict conviction.

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Wed Dec 4, 2019, 02:28 PM

PatrickforO (11,709 posts)

32. If the vote in the Senate were taken by secret ballot,

Trump would find himself sitting on his ass out in the parking lot with a pink slip.

If they have the vote publicly, hard to say. I'd love to see enough Republicans in the Senate vote to remove, and failing that, I believe a simple majority can forbid Trump from holding elected office after he leaves the presidency in January 2021.

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Wed Dec 4, 2019, 02:36 PM

Mr.Bill (9,894 posts)

33. But the other side of that coin is

if the ballot was secret, those who voted not to convict could claim the opposite if that was politically expedient in the future.

Conviction or not, I want to know how they voted and I want them to live with it for the rest of their lives and for it to be in the first paragraph in their obituary.

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Wed Dec 4, 2019, 06:31 PM

PatrickforO (11,709 posts)

36. Good point.

A secret ballot WOULD allow them to be gutless.

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Wed Dec 4, 2019, 02:47 PM

liberalla (5,771 posts)

34. Oh please, please, please!!! Let it be TRUE!

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Wed Dec 4, 2019, 07:33 PM

riversedge (58,767 posts)

37. No, I do not think other Repug Senators will convict-maybe a few.

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Thu Dec 5, 2019, 12:40 AM

Joinfortmill (1,755 posts)

38. 👍

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