****Live Impeachment hearing - THREAD 5****

[BumRushDaShow]

LIVEBLOG - https://www.wonkette.com/is-impeach-even-in-constitution-house-judiciary-impeachment-liveblog-day-one

[BumRushDaShow]

1. Karen Bass (D-CA) up

[BumRushDaShow]

2. Bass asking Feldman about abuse of power regarding the "big stuff" quote

[backtoblue]

3. Kick

[BumRushDaShow]

4. Bass using an analogy of a healthcare working abusing power by withholding medicine

to relieve pain.

[The_Counsel]

5. BTW, It's Just Dawned on Me That Lyndon Johnson Was Apparently Better...

...at abuse of power than Donald Trump. The man's been dead nearly fifty years and we're JUST finding out about this stuff?

Meanwhile, Trump was busted red-handed. It's the ONLY reason Ukraine got their money when it did.

[BumRushDaShow]

7. They excel at CT for distraction purposes

that's all they have.

[The_Counsel]

12. Yeah, I Know. But Even If You Suspend Reality...

...and assume all that stuff is true, it still doesn't help the GOP argument.

I mean, "that other guy got away with it, so why shouldn't I?"

Because you got caught, asshole.

[BumRushDaShow]

24. ...

[marlakay]

20. There are some good books about him

I had no idea he use to dig up info on congress and senate and threaten them to get them to vote his way.

I am grateful for things he got passed but hate his methods.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

28. Still, as someone else pointed out, Johnson didn't engage a foreign power for bugging Goldwater.

[The_Counsel]

96. No, But That Is Shady If True....

...especially if the point was just to dirty Goldwater up, rather than actually finding something illegal.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

108. Absolutely.

[BumRushDaShow]

6. Ratfucker (R-TX) up

and brought up Turley's political affiliation.

[Mossfern]

8. Semantics

heh!

[stopbush]

9. Ugh. Turley with his "this is so sad I'm about to cry" face. Asshole.

[Mossfern]

10. Wait!

There have been witnesses subpoenaed.

[crickets]

16. +1 : caught the same lie you did. nt

[G_j]

11. the mute button

sent by God..

[Tommy_Carcetti]

13. Is the entire Republican argument here that Trump didn't explictly state to Zelensky....

...."I'm now going to ask for a quid pro quo"?

Am I getting that right?

[ChubbyStar]

23. Oh FFS the Repukes are way past that now

It's pretty much down to, "hey tRUMP didn't torch his house or beat his wife."

[Tommy_Carcetti]

30. Or lie about a consensual affair. nt

[crickets]

14. Oh, Turley there are PLENTY of witnesses who have been subpoenaed.

They've just been ordered not to testify, or we'd have heard from them by now.

[backtoblue]

19. Exactly

[BumRushDaShow]

15. Turley just blew Ratfucker's argument away

trying to say that Congress itself was an abuse of power.

[Mossfern]

17. Turley

wants to amend the Constitution before he'll agree.
No, our national security is as risk and we don't have "time to do it" (go through the courts)

[BumRushDaShow]

18. Cedric Richmond (D-LA) up

[crickets]

25. Turley actually rolled his eyes when Richmond mentioned his quotes from the Hill article.

His own words being used against him is so sweet.

[BumRushDaShow]

21. Cedric had a bunch of witness clips to establish that no one else approved the aid withholding

[ChubbyStar]

29. That was powerful

Fucking brilliant.

[Happy Hoosier]

22. Haven't been able to watch today... Has any Democrat....

Questioned Turley and called him on his bullshit? These weak-ass talking points have to be countered, or they will stand.

[BumRushDaShow]

26. Martha Roby (R-AL) up

[ChubbyStar]

32. Fuck her

Shit taco stupid. "Blah, country, blah, American people, blah, (let me giggle because I am in way over my head).

[Mossfern]

27. He lied again

[BumRushDaShow]

31. OMG this idiot Roby doesn't even understand what the process is that she is going through

is supposed to be about.

This hearing IS for finding the charges. They don't come in there with "charges". But then she was born 2 years after Watergate.

[elleng]

33. She MAY understand, but surely doesn't want to hear.

[BumRushDaShow]

35. She was just elected in 2011

She doesn't seem to understand what the heck their role is and merely spews GOP talking points.

[BumRushDaShow]

34. Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY) up

[crickets]

36. [Roby] More complaints about perceived lack of procedural fairness.

[BumRushDaShow]

38. She was expecting "charges" to have been brought before them in this hearing

[madaboutharry]

37. This is a serious question:

Are the republicans really this dumb? Or is it all an act?

I can't decide.

[LaurenOlimina]

39. They are, without a doubt, dumber than they look.

[BumRushDaShow]

40. I think a subset are really that stupid and the rest are following their fellow fools.

[elleng]

47. 'Sucking up,' to retain their 'jobs.'

[underpants]

55. They are driven by and echoing their propaganda

Fox News and talk radio. It’s as simple as that.

[brooklynite]

41. BREAKING: Trump attacks Prof. Karlan

Link to tweet

[The_Counsel]

104. I Knew That Bit RE: Baron Trump Was Gonna Be Trouble to Be Honest...

While the rhetoric was sound and it made some of us feel good, that did kinda cross a line...

[Hermit-The-Prog]

111. no, it didn't. they're just doing what they always do: projecting

There was nothing derogatory said about that boy, and nothing to "drag" him into impeachment.

[The_Counsel]

112. I Get It, But Baron Is a Minor That Has Done Nothing to No One at This Point.

Best to leave him out of it, methinks.

Now, Don Jr. or that idiot Eric? Rip those assholes a new one...!!

[Hermit-The-Prog]

113. I have to scratch the dog's ears

[Mersky]

42. tRump withheld aid to Ukraine from May to September

Multiple contacts and communications to Ukrainian officials including tRump's July 25 call over those months. Do this, do this, do this for months. That the putting up the appearance of an investigation into tRump's #1 political opponent's family never occurred, does not take away the months of building desperation and defining what tRump wanted from Ukraine.

It isn't just bribery. It is cartoonishly over-the-top, I'd say, aggravated bribery (extortion). Ridiculous, thwarting Congress's power of the purse, bribery. Overriding the defense dept's role bribery. Abject abuse of power bribery.

I don't want to hear one more argument from another republican that tRump wasn't bribing another country to benefit his reelection campaign.

[crickets]

49. +1

[backtoblue]

43. Professor Karlan is amazing

She is calling it like she sees it.

[nolabear]

44. The women in these hearings are just incredible. I'm so proud.

To hold these hysterical GOP drama queens (with apologies to queens) in any comparison to the erudite, dedicated, uncorrupted women they’re shouting at is insane.

[crickets]

45. "Do "us" a favor. Only kings use "we" when they really mean "me."

[BumRushDaShow]

46. Jeffries done. MUTE ALERT GRATES is up.

He's got Gymsuit vibes.

[BumRushDaShow]

48. STREETGRATEZ is now impugning the witnesses

[Mersky]

110. Lol. That sums it.

[ancianita]

50. Go, Hakeem! Go Karlan! The oldest democracy is only being saved by the House!

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Foreign governments are a worse threat today than in the Founders' day.

AND we've GOT the EVIDENCE of suborning that: the transcript, two fact witnesses testimony under oath, admission by the president himself.

And the will of The People WILL prevail.

"America must remain the last, best hope on Earth."

[Zoonart]

66. Love Hakeem...and Karlan is brilliant.

OT: thanks for wrangling, BRTS

[Generic Other]

100. He stood out as a man of honesty

in a sea of lying snakes.

[Zoonart]

102. Absolutely...truly admire him.

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

51. Ugh Matt Gaetz

[gademocrat7]

56. Double ugh

This clown is despicable.

[BumRushDaShow]

52. Karlan - I've been giving more money to charity because of all the poor people inthe U.S.

when asked about why she gave more to one D candidate then the other.

[ancianita]

58. Matt Gaetz, bullying the witnesses about their failure to witness a fact.

[ChubbyStar]

64. The drunken pit bull was sauced

What a fucking disgrace. But the line from Karlan about more poor people was very well played.

[backtoblue]

53. Mutha fucka nt

[BumRushDaShow]

54. Nadler needs to take control

[FarPoint]

59. Absolutely...

I sensed he would be too ritual and polite.

[BumRushDaShow]

63. He is unfortunately

too close to Collins and is deferring...

[shanti]

62. I knew this would happen

[crickets]

57. Wow, now Gaetz is reeling off campaign donations as though they are relevant.

What business is it of ours who Karlan supports or sends money to? It does not even relate to this. So inappropriate.

[underpants]

74. I'm guessing one of their news-ish operations has released this

Their staffers don’t do research, people like Gaetz just repeat what’s reported in their world. He’ll be on Hannity tonight I’m guessing.

[Generic Other]

93. Matt Gaetz: Dry drunk

The term is used by Alcoholics Anonymous in relation to feelings of anger, depression and resentment.[4]

A dry drunk can be described as a person who refrains from alcohol or drugs, but still has all the unresolved emotional and psychological issues which might have fueled the addiction to begin with. These unresolved issues continue to have a hold on their psyche and hence, they act like "dry drunks."[5] In most cases, alcohol dependency is a substantial factor in the lives of the alcoholics and accepting sobriety comes with its own challenges and understanding of their personality. Despite leaving alcohol and de-addicting themselves, most of their personalities are an embodiment of their drunkard selves.[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_drunk

[BumRushDaShow]

60. David Cicilline (D-RI) up

Correcting the "no first hand evidence" nonsense.

[crickets]

71. "It's not about hating the president, it's about loving our country."

Cicilline's best point.

[crickets]

61. Now he's just reeling off lies really quickly - wth?

What was that all about from Gaetz?

[The_Counsel]

75. Classic "Gish Gallop."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop

I learned a new term today (thanks, DU! ). Did you notice?

[crickets]

82. D'oh!

[Happy Hoosier]

65. Schiff needs to pull Nadler aside tonight and give him some pointers.

He's a little too passive and the GOP will push him around if he lets them... and he kinda is.

[Mersky]

67. Snowflake gaetz is growing jowls before our eyes

[backtoblue]

68. Is Turdley stoned or is that a perma-smirk?

[crickets]

76. The latter. It's almost as annoying as Sondland's. Almost. nt

[BumRushDaShow]

69. Cicicilline emphasizing the issues of opening abusing power and having foreign countries

undermine our elections.

And Karlan reminds them that she has a 1st amendment right to give money to candidates.

[Iwasthere]

70. Cicilline should have helped her

I think when a witness is grossly wronged the next Democrat up should sacrifice a couple minutes to help them.

[crickets]

73. Agreed, though she took her moment at the end & good for her. nt

[BumRushDaShow]

72. Mike Johnson (R-LA) up

whining about process.

(Corrected party designation - MFGsunny)

[MFGsunny]

85. Isn't he a R from Louisiana and chairman of the conservative House Republican Study Committee? n/t

[BumRushDaShow]

92. Yup

[MFGsunny]

101. Thank you for your reply. I asked b/c in your post #72 he is labeled as a "D-LA" in error. n/t

[BumRushDaShow]

105. Yikes! Thank you!

Am typing on a portable bluetooth keyboard for my convertible laptop so the keys are funky for me.

[BumRushDaShow]

107. Fixed and thank you!!!

[MFGsunny]

114. U DA BEST ..... much obliged for taking this Thread task on .... only way I could keep up!

[BumRushDaShow]

115. It's been insane keeping up.

[Mossfern]

77. It makes no difference whether Dems didn't like Trump

That's not pertinent to the the facts of what Trump did.
Obfuscation - other logical fallicies. I'm not well versed in those, but I'd bet the Republicans have used all of them in today's hearing.

[Mossfern]

78. The Republicans

have created the toxic atmosphere - pure projection!
Remember Benghazi.

[PatSeg]

106. Seriously

Definitely a whole lot of projection going on here.

[SummerSnow]

79. If I was on that panel...

I would ask, do any of you have any evidence that the President is innocent? Cause everything you are saying it has nothing to do with what he did.

[Marthe48]

89. Yes, this

Great idea!

[blaze]

80. Just got home to tune in...

Have any of the Dems mentioned how many subpoenas have been ignored? Isn't that relevant?

[BumRushDaShow]

81. Eric Swalwell (D-CA) up

Going after Turley.

[Marthe48]

83. The hearings are good

for eye-hand coordination. I'm really improving my speed on hitting the mute button when a repuke starts in. I try giving each one a chance, but each one disappoints with stupidity, cupidity, rudeness. How were they vetted to even run for election? What a bunch of loser hacks.

[madaboutharry]

84. Mike Johnson talking about how things are "bitterly partisan"

as he refers to democrats as "the democrat party"....
and is complaining about the erosion of trust in American institutions that Trump has worked hard to destroy.

Cult members have no self-awareness.

[RANDYWILDMAN]

88. Johnson is a joke

just trying to divide people. that is all the R's are doing

[Marthe48]

94. bring out the koolaid

so tired of their complete bs

[crickets]

98. I think they're very aware of what they're doing. That's what is so scary about it. nt

[Tommy_Carcetti]

86. Rep. Swalwell gunning right for Turley.

This should be good.

[BumRushDaShow]

87. Swalwell outing Turley for his acting as defense for a judge that was being impeached

and how the Senate rejected his argument about nothing being impeachable.

[Mersky]

90. Set the record straight, Swalwell!

[IcyPeas]

91. why aren't those clips they keep showing not synced properly?

it's annoying.

[BumRushDaShow]

95. I think because of a general delay

between what is broadcast on a separate feed and what you might hear from the mics in the room before the pool feed switches.

[IcyPeas]

99. oh, okay, I think i understand that. thanks.

and thanks for all the threads BumRuchDaShow!

[BumRushDaShow]

103. You are welcome!

As I understand, CSPAN has 7 cameras in there for the feeds (which are probably for the pool). They normally only have 3 for regular hearings.

[BumRushDaShow]

97. ***** 5 MINUTE RECESS*****

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109. ****Live Impeachment hearing - THREAD 6**** up

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212751812

[BumRushDaShow]

116. Nadler emphasizing - "No the President can't do what he wants"

[BumRushDaShow]

117. Nadler using Turley's 1998 impeachment argument for application here

[BumRushDaShow]

118. Collins entering dissenting views into the record.

[BumRushDaShow]

119. HEARING ADJOURNED OVER THE FINAL CIRCUS PERFORMANCE BY COLLINS.