Starched flags? Pinned flags? Draped over hidden forms?

[NurseJackie]

Last edited Thu Dec 5, 2019, 01:29 PM - Edit history (1)

Starched flags? Pinned flags? Draped over hidden forms? (See photo below.)

Whatever happened to just allowing the flag to drape naturally? Does it display like this because of the type of fabric it is? Or is this just a stylish and trendy way to display flags?

EDITED TO ADD: Here's the answer: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212754027#post36

[MontanaMama]

1. I was wondering if they were for a staged backdrop

or a decorative way to block off a hallway instead of using velvet ropes?

[TheBlackAdder]

45. It's an evil 😈 secular plot to block the Christmas tree 🎄 in the background! 😂

[dewsgirl]

52. LOL😆

[pwb]

2. Yes, they look like shit.

Some appear folded in the shape of KKK hoods. Not the one shown but others are. I say let it hang naturally.

[Siwsan]

3. Maybe they are framing them to help deter this behavior

[fleur-de-lisa]

4. Yikes! What kind of jackass humps the American flag?

[Siwsan]

6. A disingenuous, ruthlessly unpatriotic rat bastard cult leader comes to mind.

And that's me being 'kind'.

[TheBlackAdder]

48. That's Trump's O-face. Luckily, his peen is so small that the flag couldn't feel his chubby.

[fleur-de-lisa]

49. LOL! I'm dying!

[VOX]

39. That creepy, moronic flag-humping act is the capper.

I can’t imagine the chief executive of any country doing something so infantile and embarrassing.

In the MAGAts mentality, however, I’m sure they adore the crassness in their “imperfect vessel sent by almighty God to do His work here on earth.” (And pardon me while I chug down some Pepto Bismol after writing that.)

[secondwind]

5. They are not the real flag. They have gold edges.

They are decorative only.

[Mariana]

10. Flags with gold fringe aren't real flags? nt.

[Aristus]

12. Sounds like that 'sovereign citizen' bullshit.

They insist that flags with gold fringe aren't 'real' American flags, and so they aren't subject to the jurisdiction of any court that displays them, or some shit. No need to spread that kind of horse manure around here. It won't grow anything useful.

[DBoon]

26. yes - it is sovereign citizen bullshit

https://abovethelaw.com/2013/09/the-stupid-pro-se-legal-theory-making-the-rounds/

If you don’t have time for the video from the folks at Sovereign Filing Solutions, here’s the crux of the argument: courts only have jurisdiction over two types of criminal claims, specifically common law and admiralty/military tribunals. According to the video, there can’t be common-law criminal claims because there’s no aggrieved party, and the “People” or “State” or “Commonwealth” don’t count because then the judge, as an employee of the state, has to recuse him/herself from the proceeding.

Slam. Dunk. I’m sure this works all the time.

As the video continues, Professor Geico Gecko tells us that statutes can never be the basis for a criminal action because… why? Apparently because the statutes aren’t in the Constitution? Or something? Note these folks actually charge people for their instructional videos.

The website I just quoted believes the argument is batshit insane, as it is.

[treestar]

53. The fringe is for admiralty jurisdiction

I read, so they are arguing that secretly, the states have been done away with (other than the hint by using the admiralty jurisdiction flag :rofl and we are in one huge federal area - the federal government has taken over completely. Also saw that the two-letter abbreviations for each state mean that - the state is only a federal area with those letters, PA, CA, etc. to mark an administrative division. Sovereign citizens thus in protest use the old abbreviations - Cal. Penn., etc.

[onenote]

19. WRONG.

See post #17.

A sincere suggestion: Sometimes it helps to do some research before posting.

[treestar]

54. Courts use them for a decorative reason because they think

that makes it more official, but officially, it means admiralty jurisdiction. Properly, only admiralty court should use them. Nobody really pays attention to that except conspiracy nuts who think use of the admiralty flag in a regular court is a secret sign that the federal government has taken over the states.

[bottomofthehill]

7. This is not at all uncommon

Pipe and drape, flags uniformly placed, a lot of things are used as backdrops. Judging from the serious nature of the conversation, Impeachment, the flags do not seem at all out of place to me. They are often used as backdrop in the Capitol, The Whitehouse, Federal Buildings, Campaign Events......

[NurseJackie]

9. I wasn't arguing that the flags themselves were "out of place" in this setting.

Judging from the serious nature of the conversation, Impeachment, the flags do not seem at all out of place to me.

I wasn't arguing that the flags themselves were "out of place" in this setting (in case there was any misunderstanding).

Instead, my comments were only about how the flags appear to be unnaturally pinned-open. This is not new, I've seen it many times before, this just happened to be a photo that shows it and it has nothing to do with Pelosi or her announcement.

They are often used as backdrop in the Capitol, The Whitehouse, Federal Buildings, Campaign Events......

Of course. Yes, I know. They haven't always looked so plastic and starched.

[Mariana]

50. It's an ugly display, for certain. nt.

[NurseJackie]

51. Agreed... I guess I'm just old fashioned. Flags on poles look best...

Agreed... I guess I'm just old fashioned. Flags on poles look best... when displayed like this:



But, keep in mind that I also believe that Christmas tree lights should look like this:

[bottomofthehill]

56. Most flags are nylon and are no longer cotton, it has changed their look

[NurseJackie]

57. Some of the flag-selling websites offer them in polyester or nylon...

Some of the flag-selling websites offer them in polyester or nylon... I'd imagine that the casket-sized flags would be available in a fabric that easily lays flat and drapes/folds nicely on the corners.

[TwilightZone]

11. Agreed.

This seems like an odd thing to worry over.

[LanternWaste]

31. Seems less like worry, and more like simply curiosity.

[marble falls]

8. Synthetic fabrics drape well, and don't move.

[Wounded Bear]

13. Shouldn't we be more worried about Madame Speaker wearing white after Labor Day?

Looks like the flags are set up to screen something behind them.

[NurseJackie]

14. LOL! (Thankfully she's wearing black shoes!)

You reminded me of this movie...

[2naSalit]

20. I would think so!

[Ptah]

16. !

[LAS14]

23. I did try to look it up. Nothing but confusion. Are you proposing an explanation? Because...

... assuming we all understand is a mistake.

[Jirel]

17. The fringe means nothing, guys.

Here’s an explanation from the American Legion.
https://www.legion.org/flag/questions-answers/91475/what-significance-gold-fringe-which-we-see-some-united-states-flags

They probably ARE pinned to form a decorative backdrop/barricade, that closes off the doors behind them. The stripes are pretty much lining up, flag by flag.

[NurseJackie]

18. Thanks for the link. I also found this...

https://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagcode.htm

§8. Respect for flag

...

d. The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker's desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general.

[mr_lebowski]

27. It looks to me like there's bars underneath, angled down on either side from the top of the pole

The use of which would not violate any of those stipulations as long as the flag is hanging freely over those poles, or attached to them. Or so I'd think ...

[NurseJackie]

28. That's an interesting observation. It certainly makes sense if that's the case.

Thanks for sharing that.

[mr_lebowski]

29. Basically I'm just backing your 'hidden forms' idea ... pretty sure that's the only way that look

is possible ... starch or pins could not pull that off

[LAS14]

24. Thanks. My Google search turned up nothing but contradictions. In this case, though,

I'll take the American Legion's word for it.

[2naSalit]

21. I watched a short

news piece, a long time ago-maybe on PBS, where they showed the set up people preparing these flag sets. They were using a coat hanger looking form and pins or something to hold them just so. but they are technically still able to drape free as required in the code.

[NurseJackie]

22. Ah... interesting. Thanks for the info! I suspected it had to be some sort of underwire device.

[2naSalit]

25. Yeah, it has to be something like that

if they have to hang free. I can't recall how long ago that little piece in a screen was, I know it wasn't on any of my training sessions though I guess why I remembered it is because I used to handle flags regularly.

[Ilsa]

30. I wondered if the edges had fine wire sewn in to shape them.

Thanks for the links explaining their appearance.

[NurseJackie]

33. Kinda like the flag that was used on the lunar landing sites?

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

46. It would look better if it were allowed to flap in the breeze. nt

[NurseJackie]

47. ...

[Bettie]

32. It's probably a combination of the

fabric they are made of (looks like a stiffer, non-cotton type fabric), the stitching (usually fairly stiff on that kind of fabric), and the edging material. All would work together to give it a certain look.

[CincyDem]

34. Stepping away from the flag question for a moment...isn't this a AWESOME pic ?

Another historic pic of Pelosi. Determined and carrying the weight of our future democracy on her shoulders.

Yeah...with that in mind, I didn't notice the flag stuff. Sorry.

[NurseJackie]

35. I like it too. It's not quite as exciting as this one...

[CincyDem]

37. Totally !!!! But only one of them will likely be in the history books. lolol

[Historic NY]

36. Flag Spreader...

Flag spreader

Mostly used on flags with emblems-seals.


https://www.united-states-flag.com/flag-spreader-for-indoor-flag.html]

[NurseJackie]

38. WINNER!! You win the thread!! Thank you!

Now we know!

[pnwest]

40. That link leads back to this thread...

[NurseJackie]

41. Yes... it should go down to post #36 ...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=12754573

[cwydro]

42. It is kinda weird, but just part of the show I reckon.

One thing I know, I’d like to look like her at when I’m her age!

Go Nancy!

[NurseJackie]

43. I'm nearly there... I wish I looked that good ten years ago.

[cwydro]

44. Lol!

I’d settle for dressing that well.

I’m a blue jean, sweats kind of girl.

[maxrandb]

55. So, for ceremonies in the Navy, we called it "piping"

We used something like PVC pipe in the top of the flag so they would keep that shape.

Perfectly normal, especially in ceremonial areas and government official offices.