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Can You Tell The Difference Between A Men’s Magazine And A Rapist?
Well, this is upsetting. According to a new study, people can't tell the difference between quotes from British "lad mags" and interviews with convicted rapists. And given the choice, men are actually more likely to agree with the rapists.
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Still, the results as a whole are pretty disturbing. Says lead study author Dr. Miranda Horvath, "We were surprised that participants identified more with the rapists' quotes, and we are concerned that the legitimisation strategies that rapists deploy when they talk about women are more familiar to these young men than we had anticipated." Her co-author Dr. Peter Hegarty adds,
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1. There's a certain way you can tell that a girl wants to have sex . . . The way they dress, they flaunt themselves.
2. Some girls walk around in short-shorts . . . showing their body off . . . It just starts a man thinking that if he gets something like that, what can he do with it?
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RZM
(8,556 posts)But it's also true that you can do this type of thing in a lot of different scenarios.
A few years ago I read a magazine piece about Kanye West. They had a couple insets where they would mix a Kanye quote with three other quotes from famous dictators and you had to pick out which one Kanye had said. I got most of them wrong.
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)I guessed 11 out of 16 correct. I agreed with the following three statements:
2. (by rapist) "Some girls walk around in short-shorts . . . showing their body off . . . It just starts a man thinking that if he gets something like that, what can he do with it?".
Well, er ... yes? I think I heard recently the average man thinks of sex 17 times a day (and food 19 times a day which I thought was weird). An attractive woman in sexy clothes is definitely going to activate that thought for most of us. This is pretty much the very reason that porn and Madison Avenue exist.
6. (by magazine) "Filthy talk can be such a turn on for a girl . . . no one wants to be shagged by a mouse . . . A few compliments won't do any harm either . . . ‘I bet you want it from behind you dirty whore' . . ."
No speculation here. I have female friends who ask their lover to talk dirty to them in the bedroom. Even the "dirty whore" comment works for at least one female friend of mine (from her hubby; she probably wouldn't take it to well if I said that).
15. (by magazine) "Girls love being tied up … it gives them the chance to be the helpless victim."
It's called "bondage" (not to be confused with S&M). It isn't exactly a secret that "some" people, including some females, enjoy this. The "helpless victim" portion is speculation on their reasons. I've never actually asked anyone if that is why they like it, but that reason certainly makes sense. Or perhaps the sense of danger. I imagine different people have different reasons.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)... they get past the first instinctive reaction. After that I suspect guys go lots of different directions.
I know some men (yeah, me) would not enjoy sex with any woman were she not an eager and willing participant.
Taverner
(55,476 posts)women think about it 13 x's a day, on average. food 15
sounds to me men simply thing of self gratification a little more, lol, a day than women.
redqueen
(115,186 posts)some*thing*
do with *it*
This is the result of dehumanization. The fact that those words didn't jump out like huge flashing red lights speaks ******* volumes.
OriginalGeek
(12,132 posts)and the google ad on the page I was reading is this:
that's pretty fucked up man.
(In case it's too small to read, the ad is for a Biker dating site with the tagline "Single and ready to ride".)
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)that is pretty fucked up
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)
guitar man
(15,996 posts)The "quotes from men's magazines" part. You mean there's words in them? Who knew? 
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)Except about the, you know, raping part. Men are not by and large rapists, and the attempt to insist they all think alike is insulting.
RandomKoolzip
(18,536 posts)...just about every woman I know has been raped or sexually assaulted at some point in her life. Men need to stop getting defensive about shit like this and start talking to each other about why rape, violence, and misogyny are so pervasive instead of dismissing the concerns of the more vocal women around them. They are half the population, after all.
REP
(21,691 posts)The vast majority of dudes I know in meatspace think like you do.
On edit: I realize it's a little weird to have Quagmire on this post
Taverner
(55,476 posts)Does this mean liking Chocolate Ice Cream makes you a rapist?
petronius
(26,696 posts)identify with would round off to zero.
It's a creepy comparison, to be sure...
redqueen
(115,186 posts)Surprising? Not at all.
Sad? Very much so.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)I think you can make the case for this even if the case really isnt there. If we want to cherry pick quotes from thousands of issues of magazines to make it appear like the men in those magazines sound like rapists, I am sure we can do it.
redqueen
(115,186 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)redqueen
(115,186 posts)The point being that those magazines convey a certain type of mindset that I'm sure most men don't share.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Nor this one...
"That there is no difference between the way regular men and rapists talk..."
I imagine we see what we want to.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)So again, "Nor this one" what?
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)to chop up the quotes. It's garbage social commentary.
redqueen
(115,186 posts)If you were to find the quotes, and you could say with certainty that the words replaced by ellipses, if included, would have changed the meaning of the comment, then you'd have a point.
Worth noting: These quotes were from just four magazines over just a three-month period.
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)that's the whole point. I don't feel it's on me to do someone else's work and reconstruct their editing. There's nothing in "..." that tells me how much has been taken out or not, or if it was important or not. That's why it's generally not a great idea to do it, unless there is a good deal of text in between--and if that's the case it is questionable whether the two halves should be presented as one.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)In formal and academic critiques, the weight of proof of criticism lies on the critic.
unblock
(56,198 posts)provide sufficient quality evidence and a sound methodology. if the evidence isn't there, if the methodology is unsound, the critic need not do additional research or counter-study or provide additional evidence. the critic need simply point out that the original work does not meet the high standard of academic rigor.
this study (at least as represented here) is academically worthless for several reasons, not the least of which is that the basic logic is fallacious.
we're to think that there's something heinous about lad's mags just because people can't distinguish the speaker from some rapists' quotes?
well, i'm sure people couldn't distinguish their choice of breakfast cereals, favorite sitcoms, or brand of jeans either. most likely because these are simply not among the characteristics that distinguish rapists from lad's mag readers, or anyone else for that matter. similarly, there's nothing substantive in this article that suggests that the selected quotes in any way ought to aid in the task of identifying the appropriate speaker.
had they used some known list of standard quotes, about which there had been a great deal of academic work supporting certain conclusions, then we might have something. but as it is, it's worthless.
Edweird
(8,570 posts)would look.....
unblock
(56,198 posts)the entire idea that we even can or should be able to distinguish the speaker of selected quotes, or that we should take pause that we can't, is ludicrous, or at least, it's not at all clear what conclusions could possibly be drawn.
clearly, we're intended to infer that lad's mags promulgate thoughts and attitudes shockingly close to those of rapists.
but an equally academically valid conclusion would be that the quotes are entirely irrelevant to the act of rape, and that there's nothing in the quotes to distinguish a rapist from a law-abiding citizen, or at least a typical lad's mag reader.
if the quotes were "i'm hungry" or "two plus two equals four" or "today is wednesday", then there would also be quote hard to tell the rapist's quote from the lad's mag quote, but we wouldn't be shocked because we don't expect that there should be anything there to identify the speaker.
yet, just because the topic seems -- SEEMS -- to be somewhat related to various aspects of rape -- attitude toward women, selection of victim, arrousal, etc. -- we think that we've hit upon something.
but perhaps it's not that at all. perhaps the most relevant quotes should be attitudes toward violence, respect for others, impulse control, or any of a host of other things. point is, it could just be that the selected quotes shed little light on how rapists are different from the rest of us.
randome
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lapislzi
(5,762 posts)The only one that seemed remotely not like something a rapist would say was #4 (she's been crying and can be comforted with sex). While stupid, it's not outright objectifying women.
Ugh. Just makes me grateful to be married to a gentle, decent, respectful man.
Speck Tater
(10,618 posts)they all sound like the kind of crap a rapist would say. Have things really changed that much since the 60's when as high school boys we would pass around copies of Playboy? I don't remember that kind of disgusting and disrespectful talk in the "girlie" mags back then.
Lunacee2012
(172 posts)..."the men were more likely to identify with the rapists' statements than the lad mag excerpts...." This is why I sleep with a sword under my bed and why I carry pepper spray with me when I go for a walk. And before anyone thinks I'm crazy I have been attacked before, more than once and by more than just one guy. Some bat-shit crazy asshole even tried to climb in my window one night. He was bigger than me and wore all black. I was 11 at the time. About a year later a boy who lived down the block from me attacked me. There are more times like that, but I think those 2 are enough. So yeah, I'm armed.
Zhade
(28,702 posts)I mean, the way this shit just keeps increasing...