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Sat Dec 7, 2019, 08:56 AM

The media is pushing the story: What happens if impeachment causes Democrats to lose next election?

There is little doubt that if Trump wins the next election and Republicans take the House and Senate, it will be blamed on the impeachment vote.

But, no one can guarantee it will be different if Democrats do not impeach.

On this issue, I stand 100% behind Speaker Pelosi. The defense of our Constitution is more important than any election. It's sad that so many politicians in Washington do not understand that.

We should ask ourselves: What happens if Donald Trump is not convicted in the Senate? How bad will it get? How bold will he become when he realizes he has the Senate behind him, no matter what he might do?

It is an historic time. It is a time we must all take a stand.

It is a fight which we must have. If we lose, the country loses. But the Constitution must be defended.

At all costs.

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Reply The media is pushing the story: What happens if impeachment causes Democrats to lose next election? (Original post)
kentuck Dec 2019 OP
madville Dec 2019 #1
Buckeyeblue Dec 2019 #5
mucifer Dec 2019 #2
beachbumbob Dec 2019 #3
rockfordfile Dec 2019 #4
kentuck Dec 2019 #9
triron Dec 2019 #21
N_E_1 for Tennis Dec 2019 #6
Joinfortmill Dec 2019 #8
Joinfortmill Dec 2019 #7
mucifer Dec 2019 #10
gulliver Dec 2019 #11
kentuck Dec 2019 #12
gab13by13 Dec 2019 #13
uponit7771 Dec 2019 #19
Liberal In Texas Dec 2019 #14
Joe941 Dec 2019 #15
wnylib Dec 2019 #16
asiliveandbreathe Dec 2019 #17
Garrett78 Dec 2019 #18
struggle4progress Dec 2019 #20
Mr. Ected Dec 2019 #22

Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 09:00 AM

1. Their plan is to use the Senate trial to derail Biden's Campaign

This is the script they are following since Biden is Trumpís biggest hurdle to reelection. Everyone else is a coin flip or worse odds in the general.

The Senate trial will probably be underway right as our primaries start, gonna be a huge mess.

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Response to madville (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 09:41 AM

5. Going hard after Biden could backfire as well

I think there best defense is to say Trump pushed the boundaries of what is legal but didn't go far enough for removal. And they could argue that since it's an election year, the people can ultimately decide the president's fate.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 09:09 AM

2. I think if they didn't impeach they might have lost, too.

Lots of people would have been so pissed they might not vote if there was no accountability.

I just get this ominous feeling we are spiraling the drain and have been for a while. republicans are destroying us.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 09:20 AM

3. The clarity of trump using Ukraine to get dirt would not help if this is the tactic the GOP

 

would use in the Senate trial. I don't see this hurting biden or democrats at all.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 09:32 AM

4. What are you talking about? The Senate is controlled by the GOP. If the GOP Senators doesn't convict

If the GOP Senators doesn't convict, then they will be held accountable by the American people. The GOP senators will be seen as un-American and corrupt just like Trump. Voters are pissed at the GOP and traitor Trump.

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Response to rockfordfile (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 09:51 AM

9. "Traitor Trump"?

Is that how to communicate with the common masses?

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Response to kentuck (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 03:39 PM

21. It's the truth. If the masses can't handle it they deserve what they would get with Trump: A

dictatorship and the end of our 'republic'. I fear our democracy is doomed anyway; people are just too
stupid.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 09:43 AM

6. It's most likely that the senate will not convict...

Therefore the impeachment inquiry should be dragged out as long as possible. Dig deep for all the wrongs heís committed...everything...repeat it...talk about it...never let any of his wrongdoing be forgotten. The public has a very short attention span. Repeat, repeat, repeat.

Who testified last Monday? Canít remember? But letís talk about how many flushes it takes...the caption on a 2014 tweet...and any of the stupid shit that spews from his phonemind. While the media conveniently forgets the damming facts and moves on to his latest outrageous conspiracy theory designed to confuse and distract.

The longer that a trickle of new crimes keeps flowing out of investigations and old ones are repeated and linked to more, the better that information will be in the news cycle most of next year. If there is a speedy impeachment and senate trial it gives the public too much time to move on to whatever crap come out of his camp. Look whatís happening in front of our frustrated faces at this moment. Total lies, coverups, distractions designed to shake peoples faith in the truth plus ongoing efforts to rig the election.

Drag out these investigations as long as possible. Introduce new articles of impeachment based on whatís dug up. Mueller left a roadmap, follow it. If thatís not done...he will be a living martyr for his cause. He will express his ďinnocenceĒ every other sentence saying he was right all along and the destruction of America will continue.



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Response to N_E_1 for Tennis (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 09:50 AM

8. Valid points

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 09:45 AM

7. Yes, yes, and yes.

This is about defending and protecting our Constitution and Republic. Personally, I think Trump is a traitor and many GOP in Congress are conspirators. It's dangerous times.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 10:01 AM

10. If his taxes really do come out, it could do more damage than the impeachment with how repubs

spin everything in their evil ways.

I just hope 5 of the justices have the moral fortitude to let those taxes be released.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 10:02 AM

11. The Constitution is a good hill to die on.

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Response to gulliver (Reply #11)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 10:08 AM

12. Fix up the breastwork.

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Response to gulliver (Reply #11)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 10:08 AM

13. Well said,

The answer to the question is, then our country deserves a dictator, deserves an authoritarian government. I and my family will become a part of the resistance.

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Response to gulliver (Reply #11)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 12:37 PM

19. +1

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 10:22 AM

14. Media pundits want a horse race. And they want to have something to opine about.

If they're wrong, who remembers? If they're right they'll remind everyone of how smart they were.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 10:24 AM

15. If we remove trump from office we won. Period.

 

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 10:49 AM

16. The impeachment is a necessary duty and

responsibility. With or without it the GOP might win. If there is a risk of going down, better to do it fighting for the honor of the nation than to not stand up for it at all.

We can win,though. It will not be easy. It will be an ugly fight. The Senate will not convict. Trump will retaliate. He will gloat about being above the law. But this might backfire on him. He gloated about grabbing women and look what happened in the 2018 midterms.

GOP defense in the trial will be that corruption investigation in Ukraine was necessary and legitimate. They will use the trial to do what they wanted Ukraine to do -- portray Biden as corrupt. They will try to "prove" corrupt collusion between Joe, Hunter, and Burisma. They will make it sound convincing to their followers and maybe to independents.

Moscow Mitch will use the trial rules to help the GOP. Impartiality from conservative CJ Roberts will be questionable.

The House prosecution will need to refute GOP claims about the Bidens clearly and decisively with the facts in the couse of proving the case against Trump.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 11:50 AM

17. The senate republicans will need to think long and hard, they have

their hard RW..we have our DEMS...it is the Independent voter that needs to make the turn..I honestly believe some have turned on tRump..said the proverbial optimist..

Gardner, Collins, Murkowski, Romney, come to mind, when ALL the evidence is presented, will vote on the side of the constitution..

Of course, not enough to remove the pos..when this happens, WE THE PEOPLE will take over at the ballot box..IN numbers we have never seen before...speaking for myself, I am pissed..with the senate vote, after ALL the evidence is presented, will be just enough to push those Indys to GOTV.....

For me, my main issue - taking the pos out of the WH..I will vote for whoever the DEMOCRATIC candidate is...

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 12:06 PM

18. The media should be saying that only voter suppression, foreign interference and...

...an irresponsible media can lead to the re-election of an asshole who cheated his way to a "win" over a candidate who had been vilified for 25 years and has a "strongly approve" number in the 20s, and a "strongly disapprove" number almost twice as high.

And, as I've said before, to not impeach this criminal asshole would set a horrifying precedent and message to future presidents.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 03:21 PM

20. What happens if the fucking Russians taker over our government?

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 03:48 PM

22. Pity the media implants these highly partisan ideas in people's minds

Rather than concentrating on THE MERITS OF THE IMPEACHMENT.

Sure, when the Republicans railroaded Bill and later Hillary Clinton, their motivation was solely political...Blowjobs and Benghazi.

But this isn't a partisan attack on Trump, not at all. The man has sold us out in clear view of the world. He threatens our very democracy. I live in deep red country, and even though most of my idiot neighbors support Trump, in the end, they too will suffer the demise of the USA.

We exorcise this demon or we stand to lose our nation. It's that simple.

The media seems to be pulling for the wrong side.

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