****Impeachment thread # 3****

[BumRushDaShow]

[BumRushDaShow]

1. Collins cross-examining both counsels

And still whining about Schiff not testifying.

[crickets]

5. Is that the whole "Schiff knows who the whistleblower is" thing again?

1. a lie - he does not and has said so more than once during the Intelligence Committee hearings
2. he wouldn't tell anyone anyway because legal protections for whistleblowers are a thing

These people.

[BumRushDaShow]

9. No... this is different. It's the whole who ordered you to investigate MOO MOO

[crickets]

19. Oh! Ha! I stand corrected.

So, it's Schiff's fault that Nunes is a dirty rat, excuse me cow, and that he got caught dirty cow-ing where and when he shouldn't have. Good to know. Wow.

[BumRushDaShow]

25. Yeah I was surprised he decided to go there

but I guess from their perspective, MOO MOO had been neutered and has been pretty much taken out of their game and they are MAD.

[IcyPeas]

2. shut up gaetz

do they all get into a room before these hearings and discuss what their rants are going to be about .

[2naSalit]

45. I'm sure they do.

I bet they organize their pile-on moments too.

[Siwsan]

68. I bet they rehearse

Their behavior is all too predictable and ridiculous.

[extvbroadcaster]

3. Goldman has better temper control than me

I would have told Collins he should be ashamed of himself, and if he kept yelling at me I'd beat his ass. But that's just me.

[BumRushDaShow]

7. Prof. Pamela Karlan basically did that last week at their last hearing

[Gidney N Cloyd]

16. There was rage in Goldman's eyes.

.

[Kid Berwyn]

58. Lasered holes through Collins.

Reveals the GOP has zero with which to defend Trump.

[PatSeg]

62. I know

Watching his face, you could tell he was really trying to control his temper. Collins is such an ass.

[BumRushDaShow]

4. Minority counsel up and allowing Castor oil to fix his mess

[Pacifist Patriot]

10. Was she hired to nod knowingly and say, "that's right" on cue?

I haven't seen her contribute anything meaningful...granted I did take a break to get my shower and get dressed finally.

[BumRushDaShow]

14. The GOP counsel is Ashley Callen. Castor had done for both committees so they had to bring her on

since he is testifying.

[hedda_foil]

23. OMG, she's a terrible questioner. If I were her, I'd be ashamed. Of course I'm not a Republican.

[BumRushDaShow]

38. She's there to help create the Faux Snooze fake universe

[hedda_foil]

57. And while she's there, she's auditioning for her dream job as a Faux Newz babe.

She'll probably get the job too.

[BumRushDaShow]

60. I would not be surprised.

[Arthur_Frain]

12. I'm not a big fan of using so called reading of body language for making decisions

But this guy, this guys body language is screaming to me that he is telling a whopper.

[Pacifist Patriot]

15. Body language can tell you volumes!

If you know what to look for. But yeah, you have to be very careful because, unless you've got the relevant training, most people make assumptions about body language that are instinctively incorrect.

[2naSalit]

55. He looks all bellied up to the bar

to launch a big one.

[3catwoman3]

76. If I wanted to be taken seriously in a setting...

...such as this, I would probably not wear a hot pink dress.

[BumRushDaShow]

80. She is there for the Faux Snooze crowd soundbites.

[3catwoman3]

89. They will be disappointed that she is behind the heavy...

...wooden structures so she cannot flash some thigh/crotch.

[BumRushDaShow]

91. They can do some photoshopping to remove the dais

[Pacifist Patriot]

6. Is Gaetz trying to get tossed so he can roll over and cry victim?

[nini]

8. That's what I was thinking

He's a pig.

[Pacifist Patriot]

11. He's probably already got the fundraising letter written and a staffer...

poised with a finger over the Send button the moment Nadler orders him to leave. I doubt Nadler will fall for that though.

[ariadne0614]

13. Is Castor engaged in a desperate attempt to rehabilitate his dopey performance?

Just wondering.

[miyazaki]

17. wtf is this? seems like an snl skit right now.

castor and the blonde lady.

[madaboutharry]

20. She is counsel for the republicans.

I don't what to seem shallow, but hot pink is not the best color to wear when you want to be taken seriously in a congressional hearing. I really have to wonder why she chose that dress today.

[crickets]

24. To look good on camera. nt

[elleng]

27. Never in my life, as attorney, law student, legal secretary, college student, etc,

have I worn hot pink anything; my daughters did, as kids, and their little girls do now, 4 years old, and 5 months old.

[C_U_L8R]

32. It must be an audition for Faux News

That's the only thing I can think of for this vacuous foolishness

[IcyPeas]

41. "Pink" meaning:

The pink color has a calming effect on our emotional energies and can relieve feelings of anger, aggression and neglect. There are studies confirming that high amounts of pink color can have a calming effect on the nerves and even create physical weakness in people. Pink has successfully treated violent and aggressive prisoners by placing them in rooms with pink walls over a certain period of time. Overexposure to the color may have the opposite effect though.

Pink helps people get in touch with their thoughtful and caring side, either through the need to receive, give or care for others. Please pay attention if you have a friend who often wears pink, as it may indicate a need to be accepted, supported and loved.

https://www.color-meanings.com/pink-color-meaning-the-color-pink/

[PatSeg]

82. Reminds me of cheap plastic Barbie accessories

Pink doesn't have a calming effect on me at all. Well, I do like pink flowers.

[IcyPeas]

108. I actually like pink....

fuchsia, magenta, plum, hot pink....

shhhhh, don't tell anyone.

[3catwoman3]

83. See my comment (#76) above.

This setting definitely calls for a suit.

[brewens]

100. SNL should portray her as a like valley chick chewing gum. n/t

[madaboutharry]

18. The republican counsel seems like she doesn't

believe a word she is saying. She also seems very uncomfortable and nervous, like a person who knows she is spinning bullshit.

Every last one of these republicans have all sold out, every one of them.

[BumRushDaShow]

21. She is spouting the "unsanctioned and unfair" GOP talking points

Whining about "process".

[Karma13612]

22. Agree.

[Politicub]

33. At least she is talking slowly, thus running out the clock.

The minority ranking committee member (don’t remember his name) attempted and failed at having some kind of Scooby Doo or Perry Mason moment. Callen, on the other hand, is just trying to get through her portion by gathering as little insight as possible.

[BumRushDaShow]

36. They are describing everything that the Democrats have done-

subpoena people for testimony and documents and if there is a refusal, go to court. And then they are claiming the Democrats have not done any of that.

[LiberalFighter]

39. Both of them talking slow and aimlessly.

[BumRushDaShow]

26. So now the subject has completely left Ukraine and is talking about "Fast and Furious"

[BooScout]

28. OMG! Where did they find this Callen person???

She's sitting up there playing with her hair and adjusting her sweater...and at one point I could swear she was going to cry. Is this the best the Republicans have? This is just sad. I've seen better attorneys in mock trials held in high school.

[LiberalFighter]

42. Apparently part of minority's staff.

Saw her in the background behind Collins last week.

[Bettie]

43. If you were a really good lawyer

would you want anything to do with the Republican "case" on this?

They probably had to go with a very small number of people who would actually say "yes".

[C_U_L8R]

29. What's going on? It's like Dumb & Dumber the winger edition

These two republican lawyers really look like amateurs. The clumsy propaganda points. The jilted pauses. The longwinded conspiracy nonsense that lead nowhere. The whining. What a shitshow, for them.

[Arkansas Granny]

34. They are meandering all over the place. No real questions, no real answers. Just wasting time.

[Karma13612]

30. I happen to agree with Castor Oil on

Response to subpoenas.

Lets enforce them.
Every one of them.
Go to court.
Hold people in contempt.

I know we don’t want to drag it out, but we need to do some contempt holding.

[BumRushDaShow]

49. The Democrats HAVE done this

Since McGahn is a big part of both obstructions - Mueller and this - they are waiting for the courts to decide. McGahn is the big wig here as the White House Counsel.

[Karma13612]

54. Ah! OK. My bad. N/t

[BumRushDaShow]

65. They were actually able to get some of the most damning info

from those who already testified (both in public and behind closed doors - they just said 17 witnesses) - all without even needing to "officially" subpoena them because they voluntarily came. But just to cover their tracks, they subpoenaed them anyway just before they testified so they could cover themselves since a number were still working for the government.

[not_the_one]

109. A subpoena is a formal requirement to testify, under oath.

EVERY person who ignored a subpoena should be arrested for contempt.

Once the court decision is issued, and if subpoenas must be honored, re-issue every subpoena that was ignored and arrest their ass if they don't comply.

It doesn't matter that we were able to get information voluntarily.

There HAS to be consequences.

[BumRushDaShow]

110. That's not how they operate however

There is usually a standard "escalation" process that Congress goes through when requesting witness testimony. And the entire logistics of "arresting a person" has pretty much been dismantled within the Capitol so although it sounds good, actually doing it would be like a Keystone Cops affair.

I think the consequences will come however. It's never "instant".

[at140]

103. Intelligent post..eom

[BumRushDaShow]

31. Now Callen and Castor are having a soliloquy about how they are obstructing

and doing so as if they are 3rd parties and weren't describing their refusal to comply.

[hedda_foil]

46. Colloquy. They're having a colloquy. Soliloquy is another word for monologue.

Just call me Hedda Thesaurus.

[JohnnyRingo]

35. Earlier, Louis Gohmert pointed out that he once was a judge.

That sent chills down my spine. Can anyone imagine that man having such sway over someone's future? Bad enough he's now one of the 530+ lawmakers that can check his ignorance, but he should never sit on a bench, let alone have a private practice. I wouldn't let him contest my traffic ticket for free.

[PatSeg]

85. Whoa

I had no idea. That is a terrifying thought.

[3catwoman3]

98. That is truly horrifying, isn't it? Whe I first heard that...

...a few years ago, I was shocked. Still am.

[miyazaki]

37. Ya i have a control f for you

Fuck off.

[3catwoman3]

106. I just about spit cheese and crackers on my keybord!

[Karma13612]

40. "Counsel in Pink"

Is being ‘led’ by Castor to ask certain questions and he just keeps blathering on.

This is so bogus, but it really doesn’t add to the findings. Right now, the Republican base is watching a pretty blonde woman not asking many questions, just having a relaxing chat with Castor Oil who is spewing bull.

Ugh, just total gas lighting and propaganda.

[Mersky]

44. Have heard that if they click their heels together 10-15 times,

republican hacks get whisked away to Jackson Hole, WY. I could be wrong.


Wish these two would try that - am sure that's where they'd rather be.

[IcyPeas]

47. ZZZZ-zzzzz-zzzzzz

[Ghost of Tom Joad]

48. Legally blonde

It’s like watching grass grow these two together are just horrible

[GaYellowDawg]

50. Holy shit, I'm tired of Republican Elle Woods.

I’m so glad she’s done. I don’t think I could be more tired of Corruption Barbie.

[SamKnause]

51. She was absolutely terrible.

I am glad.

[crickets]

52. Serious question - is there any way that Castor's BS under oath is going

to cause him problems? I'm pretty sure I know the answer, but does anybody have any thoughts?

[BumRushDaShow]

53. Callen is done. Request to recess for 30 minutes. Voting on motion from GOP to recess for 30 min.

[Greybnk48]

56. How long is this going to continue with Castor and the Blonde, Pink Republican?n/t

[BumRushDaShow]

59. GOP request for recess rejected. Now doing 5 minute member questions, Nadler first

[crickets]

66. Goldman just pointed out that investigation of phone records is SOP

and that they found whatever they found because it was there, not because they were looking for [Nunes or] anyone in particular.

[BumRushDaShow]

69. Yup and Collins is now whining about it

[Greybnk48]

61. Elle Woods would eat this dumb shit for breakfast! n/t

[emmaverybo]

63. Nadler poses excellent question on difference between Biden and Trump's asks in Ukraine

[Bayard]

64. Oh, Thank you!

Nadler asked Goldman to explain the difference in Biden demanding Ukrain's old prosecutor to be removed (corrupt as hell), and what tRump did. He explained that Biden had the consensus agreement of a number of other countries to do so.

[BumRushDaShow]

67. MUTE ALERT - Collins Auctioneers is up.

[crickets]

70. Not everybody in GA sounds like this, I promise. nt

[BumRushDaShow]

72. I know.

I have a whole part of my family who moved there and my great grandfather and great grandmother both went to college there (Atlanta U) back in the 1880s!

[at140]

104. Exactly my thought...did Collins work as auctioneer before ?

He speaks faster than most auctioneers.

[BumRushDaShow]

71. OMG Collins is whining and yelling about MOO MOO GETTING CAUGHT

[Mersky]

73. Three mentions of

"drive by" within 70 seconds doesn't make your hyperbolic metaphor work, rank member collins.

[BumRushDaShow]

75. By Collins mentioning it, he is helping to smear MOO MOO even more

I don't think the average person watching had any idea!

[Mersky]

84. I was all, dawww, how sweet.

collins is out to pwotect moomoo.

Also - Keep talkin' collins. Keep saying nuñes.

[Bayard]

74. Collins has nothing but attacking Goldman

Apparently he's blaming the attorney for the entire Intelligence report they didn't like.

[BumRushDaShow]

77. Zoe Lofgren (D-CA) up

[crickets]

88. I like that she's pointing out that PEOPLE DIED in Ukraine while the aid was held up,

so eventually releasing it doesn't make things okay. This point needs to be hammered home repeatedly.

Also pointing out how a man who had any evidence to defend himself would have brought it forward, not obstructed evidence and witnesses. She's good.

[BumRushDaShow]

93. The other issue with that money delay

is that they were about to lose access to it because it was right before the end of the fiscal year and that military aid appropriation was only to be used for that fiscal year UNLESS they went to Congress to go through the whole process of reprogramming it... and that can take more than the couple weeks they had left.

[crickets]

96. That too. It was horrifying how close they came to the deadline. nt

[C_U_L8R]

78. Collins is really sucking wind

The expression on Mr Goldman is priceless. Drive by, my ass.

[greatauntoftriplets]

79. The expression on Dan Goldman's face as Collins berates him is priceless!

[elleng]

102. REALLY!!!

[SamKnause]

81. I'd like to see Goldman;

cross his arms

lean back in his chair and

close his eyes while Collins is running his mouth.

[elleng]

86. THANKS, Ms. Lofgren, for stating issues clearly!

[BumRushDaShow]

87. Lofgren emphasizing about how the Clinton impeachment took 73 days and they were on day 76 now

[BumRushDaShow]

90. ****15 MINUTE RECESS****

[hlthe2b]

92. Darn. I was hoping they'd break for lunch so I could run an errand.

[BumRushDaShow]

94. They sortof already did earlier

[hlthe2b]

97. Yeah... but I wasn't quick enough to end a concurrent conference call... LOL

[BumRushDaShow]

101. LOL

Been there done that (including times when I was on 3 different concurrent calls at once - one on my work desk phone, one streaming with WebEx, and a 3rd on my blackberry).

I was so glad damn to retire!!!!!

[avebury]

107. If you have a cell phone you might be able to bring up one of the

viewing sites and listen to it while you run your errand. I do that all the time.

[BumRushDaShow]

95. ****Impeachment thread # 4**** up

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212765213

[Midnightwalk]

99. I wish they had a 2nd 45 minute session

Nadler straightened out some of the bs but I’d loved to have had berke go after castors lying ass ine more time.

Having collins ask about fast and furious for another 45 minutes would have been worth it

Not one question about the evidence. Not one. How did they get the evidence not whether the evidence is correct and what it means

Cspan is switching to callers. Ugh

Btw had to listen to npr on way to work. I hate them talking over berke’s questions and the responses

[C_U_L8R]

105. "Set the recess button"

What a fucking idiot. #nonsensenbrenner