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Censure is pathetic. It's a slap on the wrist that tells Dictator Donny, "You were a bad boy. Don't do it again or you get timeout!" This will also give Republicans strong talking points that even Dems weren't united against Trump.
When even some Democrats refuse to uphold the Constitution, this country is absolutely doomed. I have no optimism or hope for this country. We are heading into dictatorship territory. If I had the means, I'd be moving out of this country immediately.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)That word gets a lot more respect than it deserves.
Demsrule86
(70,842 posts)of them who won in 18.
Moostache
(10,115 posts)So we took the house, we got to chair the committees.
We uncovered MASSIVE, impeachable offenses and violations of the oath of office for POTUS.
Now we want to slap him on the wrist and quit because there are too many rubes in the home district that just aren't sure?
If there are no consequences - even ones that will only become obvious in history books and after the fact - then I don't give a fuck about controlling the House alone.
Truman was right - people will always vote for the Republican over a Democrat trying to act like a Republican.
Primary them all, excise the dead ideological weight.
SterlingPound
(428 posts)Demsrule86
(70,842 posts)convict...and taking the house probably saved the 2020 election. We need the House and the Senate to restore the rule of law...and we need to kick Trump to the curb.
triron
(22,240 posts)If we just censure we are saying treason no big deal.
Putin will be very happy.
Bettie
(16,849 posts)dictator, ending any pretense of us being a Democracy?
Censure is the same as giving him a golden ticket to do whatever the fuck he wants to.
It tells him that there are zero consequences for any action he takes.
Just think of what he'll do if congress tells him explicitly (by censure, which is essentially a note in his "permanent record" that he can do anything he wants to and no one will take a single step to stop it!
SharonClark
(10,251 posts)They can push censure all they want but it wont save them at election time. Repugs always prefer to vote for real repugs and not weak Dems.
SterlingPound
(428 posts)onecaliberal
(35,476 posts)Moostache
(10,115 posts)That is EXACTLY the kind of weak, non-thought out acceptance of GOP bullshit that makes me loathe certain elements of the party in general. FUCK THEM, leave....now....here, haul ass and take your shitty ideas with you.
Don't want to stay with the team on defending the rule of law and that thing called the Constitution?
Want to rubber stamp Executive crime and extortion as "A-OK"?
Want to capitulate AGAIN and paint the party as lacking devotion or courage of conviction?
Good, get the fuck out and I hope the door slaps your bitch ass on the way out.
Trump broke the law AND violated the Constitution. Repeatedly. This Ukraine thing is just the most blatant AND stupid.
He wipes his ass on the rule of law and people want to go easy on him?
I don't think so...
Well, if you are worried about re-election NOW, before the vote and the next campaign...you are going to live in abject TERROR for the rest of your short political career because I will find like-minded individuals, and we will hunt down your donors and party backers and we will primary THEM too unless they cut you loose and expel you from the party in general.
NOT ONE CONGRESSPERSON form the party should vote against the articles of impeachment and if they do, they MUST be run out of the party for handing the filthy GOP a "bi-partisan" talking point.
Seriously, I have less than no use for this thought process or people who think its a great compromise...you don't stumble on a murder scene, see the killer put the gun in his back pocket and then offer a manslaughter charge to avoid a divisive trial, even if the killer's cousin is the judge, his 12 inbred other cousins are the jury and his mom is bailiff.
EveHammond13
(2,855 posts)BuffaloJackalope
(818 posts)If you love this country you should be SHITTING BRICKS to get this corrupt asshole out of there!
handmade34
(22,857 posts)FM123
(10,111 posts)Or is this a Susan Collins type of song and dance they feel they have to perform for their constituents before they vote with the party....
FBaggins
(27,438 posts)Might be the only way to hint that it's not an entirely partisan exercise.
The Wielding Truth
(11,420 posts)He must have a warning sign on him to prevent anyone from being taken by him again.
Censure is nothing.
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)So any of these assholes that vote against impeachment can be primaried.
SterlingPound
(428 posts)Honestly, I am behind this 100%
MoonRiver
(36,959 posts)Karadeniz
(23,293 posts)Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Dagstead Bumwood
(4,852 posts)stillcool
(32,632 posts)I don't believe the Republicans will do anything but help Trump, but, it makes no sense to stop the train before it gets to the station. I read of one person who had considered the censure way, but has come back to the impeachment fold. I don't really care, except for the possibility that Americans might learn something.