Lindsey Graham is a man

[obamanut2012]

And presents as a cis man. He may be gay, I suspect he is, but we have zero proof. But, we know he is not a woman. He is not "Miss Lindsey." He is not a "she." He doesn't get on his knees and suck Trump's penis. He doesn't wear pearls.

He is a loathsome, loathsome person, but Lindsey Graham is a man.

Calling him anything at all female-gendered as an insult is misogynistic, homophobic, and transphobic, and has NO PLACE in society period, but especially not on a site that considers themselves progressive in any way ie DU. If you are a poster doing this, consider this a teachable moment and embrace it and correct yourself. There are so many insults to call Graham, so if you are choosing a female-gendered or LGBT-targeted insult to snark about Graham, you are as bad as he is.

I'm not going to debate anyone about this at all, period. Because there is nothing to debate or discuss. Insulting Graham this way is WRONG. and I wish Admins would officially ban it.

[guillaumeb]

1. Recommended.

You have framed it very well.

[DENVERPOPS]

38. If he is gay,

I have no problem with that what so ever.

What I have a problem with is his hypocrisy, lying about it to be accepted by the Republican Party....

In reality, the Republican Party is the party of HYPOCRISY in everything they say and do......Always have been, always will be...

[sandensea]

136. +1

That's them in a nutshell.

That - and their downright mean, even sadistic streak.

[The Wizard]

140. Graham is compromised

either by his alleged closeted sexual proclivities or Russian bribes.
For a moment let's assume he is gay. Why would a homosexual vehemently support and lead a political Party that sees him as less than human?
In essence Lindsey is a sleazy spineless example of the worst America has to offer.

[DENVERPOPS]

142. Why would any minority group be a republican

or vote republican? Self Loathing????????

that includes any minority nationality, gays lesbians etc, mexicans, blacks etc etc and yet there are groups within those groups who are die hard republicans and vote for the very political group that is openly out to destroy them....

I will bet that Lindsey isn't the only member of the House or Senate that's gay. I know married guys and married women who are bi-sexuals or Homosexuals on the side........

These Repubs in congress are seriously compromised, esp the senators. They got all this easy campaign money from the NRA and then found out later it was from Russia with love. Now they are really screwed.........so they have to go with Trump. He goes, we go.....

[luvtheGWN]

137. I agree.

Calling him "Miss Lindsey" is an insult to women everywhere. Women are not "less" than men.

[guillaumeb]

139. It is pointless.

If one wishes to condemn Trump for how he insults others, engaging in the same behavior weakens the initial condemnation.

[greymattermom]

2. I don't understand your definition of "she".

I certainly don't do either of those things.

[oregonjen]

7. The poster might be referring to this post

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212771009

That’s just one example.

[cwydro]

20. Ugly shit to see here.

Sadly, not unusual.

[CaptYossarian]

44. That was subtle compared to

the ads run by Tommy Thompson when he tried to defeat Senator Tammy Baldwin here in WI. His dogwhistle message had everything to do with liberal Nancy Pelosi and her SAN FRANCISCO-brand of politics.

The first few times, I didn't get it because one is in the Senate and the other is in the House, but then the "light went on" and it turned out he was addressing the people who were already voting for his sorry ass.

I don't respect Graham because he hasn't come out yet. I always give respect to people who are honest about who they are. As for his views and policies, he's lower than dog crap.

[Pacifist Patriot]

55. I'm not inclined to find it now, but I ran across one that was even more blatant.

Yep, some folks here are definitely doing it.

[obamanut2012]

9. If you don't call Graham a woman, then why are you even posting this?

Then it doesn't concern you.

[Nature Man]

41. You made public commentary on a public-viewable website on public Internets

anybody can say pretty anything they want in response to your assertion.


PS, I agree with your ham-fisted OP.

[redqueen]

65. In what way is it "ham-fisted"?

[Tipperary]

69. How is it ham-fisted?

I must be missing something.

[fleur-de-lisa]

3. K&R

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

4. He's an asshole and a coward, which is sufficient.

[The_Counsel]

50. This.

.

[Arkansas Granny]

5. K & R

[LAS14]

6. I'm sorry I didn't have context when I passed on the alert on "Miss Lindsey." Didn't know what it..

... was about. In other words, yes, it demonstrates bigotry.

[targetpractice]

8. Agree with this...

... The insults you refer to make me wince... Having been on the receiving end of being called a "sissy" when I was young.

Yet, I do feel like there is something really going on with his character... We are watching it unfold in front of us. But, we can't pass judgement upon the root cause.

[obamanut2012]

10. Yeah, he has went bonkers since McCain died

I agree with you.

[walkingman]

11. I don't really care about his gender - he is a despicable human being and I have no

respect for anyone that says and acts as he does. He has his head so far up Trump's ass that he cannot see anything other than his love affair with the "Great Leader".

[whathehell]

12. Please don't assume that women -- any more than Lindsey --

"get down on their knees and suck Trump's penis" either..

Trump aside, that is NOT part of every woman's sexual repertoire.

[FreeState]

109. That's not on every gay mans list either n/t

[whathehell]

112. I didn't assume that it was. n/t.

[Haggis for Breakfast]

122. WITH ALL DUE RESPECT,

NOBODY HERE KNOWS WHAT GRAHAM DOES IN PRIVATE.

And that includes whether or not he sucks trumpie's mushroom dick.

If you don't like the man, fine. If you respect him, fine.

But STOP making comments you CAN'T back up or validate.

[whathehell]

126. WITH All DUE RESPECT..

You need to tell this to the OP -- He's the one who made those comments about Graham, not me. Just sayin.

[Haggis for Breakfast]

127. Oooooooooooooooops.

[whathehell]

128. No problem..

It happens.

[cwydro]

13. Thank you.

Being gay (if he is) does not make him a she either.

[The_Counsel]

52. Agreed. It Would Just Make Him a Gay Hypocrite.

.

[hlthe2b]

14. He's without any doubt male.

That said, what makes a "man" and absolutely what makes a "woman" is the developed maturity that suggests achieved learning to act like an adult. That includes developing some sense of "right v wrong," the need for honesty, integrity, and treating serious issues with the sincerity, care, and earnest attention to the truth that is called for. He does none of these and possesses none of those attributes. He's male, alright, but stunted in character development in such a way that I'll be unlikely to go beyond that.

[obamanut2012]

18. And?

[hlthe2b]

22. And?

[Polly Hennessey]

15. Who cares.

Either way, he is still a jerk.

[obamanut2012]

16. People who are not bigots care

Your response is noted.

[whathehell]

43. People who think being called a woman is more insulting than

being called "a loathesome, loathesome person" may care too.

[Tipperary]

74. Boom.

[LexVegas]

19. Women or gay people may care, if gender or orientation are used as an insult.

[crickets]

31. +1

[whathehell]

39. +1

[MineralMan]

62. Exactly.

[Pacifist Patriot]

54. I care.

There is nothing about my gender that warrants its use as an insult.

He can be accurately described for the heinous human being he is without using gender as a slur. You just did fine without resorting to that tactic.

[Paladin]

17. I think of him as a loathsome piece of shit.

Referring to him as a "man" is an insult to my gender.

[LuckyCharms]

21. My definition of a man does not have to do with gender identification.

[LuckyCharms]

23. He may be a male, but he's no man.

[tavernier]

51. My first thought.

And that has nothing to do with sexual preference.

[tazkcmo]

106. Exactly. NT

[Sherman A1]

24. I see him as

The south end of a north bound horse.

[wiley]

25. Thanks

Important points. Please use LGBTQ+. Thank You.

[mopinko]

26. when admin made the decisions, they did ban it.

when we had mods, it was an insta-delete. one of the few.

now that it is in community hands, sadly, it is rampant.
i really do appreciate the jury system. it is brilliant. but as a former mod, i see the holes in it. one thing i wish we had was a chance to put a note on an alert. they guys tried really hard to define the standards and offenses, but sometimes it isnt that obvious to random posters why something fits a rule, or even why is doesnt fit the rule, but should be taken down anyway.

esp because we were not judging blind posts, but had a history in front of us, and had a lot of institutional memory. made it a lot easier to see. but it was hard even then sometimes, and there was a lot of debate about a lot of things.
this place is only barely governable.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

27. K&R. Well said.

[getagrip_already]

28. He is a petulent child in a man-suit....

But he has no qualities of manhood. He is certainly not a woman though.

[NurseJackie]

29. My son and his husband refer to him in this way often.

He is not "Miss Lindsey." He is not a "she."

My son and his husband refer to him in this way often.

[LexVegas]

33. Men can say sexist things. Nothing new there. nt

[tonedevil]

70. That's sad. /nt

[NurseJackie]

75. They're both gay (obviously) and they don't find it offensive. I'll defer to their opinions.

[tonedevil]

81. I guess we hear this differently...

I'll continue to cringe at the tone-deaf implication that calling a man a woman or referring to one using a feminine term clearly demotes the man to the lesser gender. Being gay doesn't mean they don't subscribe to and benefit from the societal hierarchy that endows men with greater status.

[Ms. Toad]

118. A couple of things going on here -

Your son (and son-in-law) are not being used as an insult. Women are - and being used that way by your sons. Many LGBTQ+ women find it offensive.

Beyond that, within any oppressed group there are always words/ways of speaking that make those of outside the group (and sometimes inside) cringe. The use of N****R within certain segments of the black community is a prime example - as is the use of the word f*g or referring to gay men as women.

Use by the oppressed group of a word or phrase often used to insult members of that group is often fraught with controversy even within that group. Outsiders don't get to claim and use them, even with their LGBTQ+ family members' permission.

[madaboutharry]

30. Homophobic comments should never be tolerated.

Trying to ridicule someone for their sexuality or what you think is their sexuality is always wrong.

No one here has called out democrats names.

Like I said, it is always wrong.

Thank you for your post.

[whathehell]

37. No, sexist comments should never be tolerated either..

but as often as not, I find that they are.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

116. +1

[crickets]

32. Thank you for this post. K&R

[Kali]

34. I sometimes "get" when a new poster might do this shit.

the humor of it is so long ingrained in our broader culture I understand the background of it. however it is clearly a bigoted way of insulting someone - bigoted to the groups of people the asshole is being associated with - and anybody that has been on DU, or aware of how it ACTUALLY insults the groups rather than the asshole, should know better.

[cwydro]

42. This.

Spot on.

[Kali]

80. I do want to be clear.

Calling Graham "Miss" or implying he is gay as an insult is totally wrong. Using terms like "hysterical" are more problematic. While it has female sex/gender etymological origins, the common usage is much less direct and I am not sure I would judge its usage in the same way.

[cwydro]

83. I completely agree.

Context usually is important in those cases.

[LiberalLovinLug]

85. I also think there's a temptation to expose a gay Republican's hypocrisy.

After all the legislation, promoted by federal and state Republicans against LGBTQ rights. And Lindsay right in front. All because he knows his constituents WANT him to abuse LGBTQ rights. They will vote for him if he bashes gays. So he does not speak out for their rights, and stays silent while they pass every evil bill.

Republicans are quick to laugh publicly when a Democrat looks to be going too extreme in being politically correct. Or to say an environmentalist is a hypocrite for taking a bus to a climate change protest.

So i think its a case of wanting to also hurt them where we know it hurts. Not just Lindsay, but his supporters. Because we know they are bigoted already, and so by "teasing" Graham as being gay, it confuses the simpleton deplorables that have put their blinders on when it comes to Graham. Its a way to poke at his supporters. And in a greater context to chip away at the trust in the GOP to uphold their bigoted "family values". Yes its a twisted game.

But, at least as an exercise in Devil's advocacy, I can understand the temptation. Its not coming from a place of consciously hurting or demeaning anyone, other than Graham's hypocrisy. But obviously it doesn't take into account that by using Lindsay's gayness as an insult, even if its only taken that way by other bigots, it also insults all gay persons. And the very state of being gay as something to laugh at. So yes I do agree we should avoid using that weapon. Its just difficult to lay down a weapon you know works against them. Although I do wonder if some in the LGBTQ community would actually like to see some drama unfold where he is exposed - some covert snapshot at a gay club kissing a man, for example, and that it would actually work for their community in that it would reveal how still politicians feel they must hide their sexual orientation to be elected. It would open up that conversation and make him have to either defend his gayness, exposing his hypocrisy, or run away, and resign would be worth it. Also it would be entertaining to watch his traditional supporters, especially from his district, lose their shit.

That fellow liberals using LGBTQ sexual orientation to make Graham the butt of the joke, is understood by the majority of the LGBTQ community that it is being used not because the Democrats that engage in it are anti-gay, but because it is a weapon to cause turmoil in Graham's district ....that that would be worth it. But maybe it isn't worth it. I just wanted to throw out that possibility for discussion.

[Kali]

86. exactly

hence why I tend to cut slack on people who are new, but otherwise seem not to be trolling. often it is about the hypocrisy, but one needs to be aware of the WAY it is pointed out.

[LiberalLovinLug]

94. Thanks

I still think there is a place to discuss if we should engage in something, like ridiculing Graham's futile attempt to hold the closet door shut, when it hurts both sides in one way or another. But if it hurts them more, is it worth it? I don't know. I suspect there'd be a wide array of opinion on that in our community.

ie. When say someone like Bill Maher might make some inference, even an eyebrow rise, in reference to Graham, and the liberal audience laughs....we all know that those in the audience are not laughing at gay people for being gay. Even those that are gay know this. They are obviously laughing at how ridiculously futile Graham looks at times in pretending he's not. That's comedy gold.

And that in itself wouldn't be funny, in a black humour way, if it weren't for Graham being a senior player in the party that has increasingly been hostile to the gay community. And laughing at that kind of hypocrisy is cathartic in a way.

[RestoreAmerica2020]

35. Thank you! Hes just a bloody jerk. His, yours, mine sexual orientation is moot

...absolutley agree with your post. I am sick and tired of assumptions made about him or anyone one else for that matter...who the hell cares. Our democratic platform stands for dignity of all y punto! [that's it!]

[George II]

36. I agree entirely. Using a "gender" description to insult anyone it horrible and out of place here.

[pwb]

40. All I know is Graham is an asshole?.

[fishwax]

45. kicked and recommended

[cabot]

46. Very True....and men can also use fainting couches

So I feel fine with saying Lindsey has taken to his fainting couch.

[marble falls]

47. HIGHLY reccommended. He has plenty of defects. His sexuality and gender ID is not part of them ...

and is not my business anyways.

[Traildogbob]

48. Agree

He is way too weak and spineless to be a she. Stop insulting strong women by trying to assault him by assigning him to that gender. Call it a jelly fish or another species with no spine, maybe a Russian species. Is there a specific slimy Russian slug, or leech that feeds off of others to survive? Women will save us.......if we just let them.

[TygrBright]

49. Thank you. I heartily agree. There is so MUCH objectively verifiable nastiness to criticize...

...that grabbing for easy, homophobic, misogynistic tropes is, at best lazy, and more accurately a counter-productive effort.

And that's me being kind.

Me not being kind:

Knock it the fuck OFF unless you want to demonstrate to all of us here at DU just how unreconstructed, thoughtless and instinctive your own damn' homophobia and misogyny are.

wearily,
Bright

[Pacifist Patriot]

53. Thank you!

As a woman, and happy to be one, I find it both ignorant and insulting when my gender is deemed to be an insult. Not one goddamn thing wrong with being female or having a feminine demeanor. This crap has no place here.

[MarianJack]

56. Is it ok...

...if I keep calling him a dip shit, an asshole and a Putz?

RESIST!

[TlalocW]

57. Lindsey Graham is Chester

The little dog in this old Warner Brothers cartoon.

TlalocW

[Tipperary]

58. I am glad you posted this.

A shame you had to do so, but at least two ops and several posts illustrate the need for it.

K and r.

[RainCaster]

59. As a man, it offends me to be categorized with Leningrad Lindsey

I protect and respect the women in my life.
I watch out for the weaker in society and help out where I can.
DO NOT put me in the same category as that weasel.

[MineralMan]

60. Yes. He is. A slimy one, at that.

The posts you're talking about are just plain wrong, and the people who wrote them don't understand why. That's a shame, really, and one I hope we can correct, eventually.

[58Sunliner]

61. Thank you!!

[Bettie]

63. He's a man who acts like a

toddler mid-tantrum most of the time.

But, yeah, he's a man...or a lizard-alien in a human suit.

[NotHardly]

64. Yup, calling him a woman is an insult to women everywhere... so just stop it.

[redqueen]

66. K&R

Shame this has to be said but progress on this issue isn't exactly a priority.

[Doodley]

67. "He doesn't get on his knees and suck Trump's penis." How do you know that?

[NurseJackie]

76. Ha! That's funny!

[Tipperary]

113. Yes, gay jokes are hilarious.

[NurseJackie]

119. My son and his husband think it's funny too.

I trust their judgement.

[Tipperary]

123. What might be funny in a family/friends setting often

does not play as well in other company. But hey, as long as you “have gay friends “ I guess that makes it all good. I usually like your posts, so this surprised me. Oh well, live and learn. This thread has shown me that many “progressive” people here really love to have their heehee/snicker gay jokes. Have at it!

[NurseJackie]

124. Opinions vary.

[cwydro]

90. Good god.

An example of why this thread is needed.

[Doodley]

110. If there are people who don't know Lindsey is male, this thread is needed!

[MontanaMama]

91. Maybe not...

but he certainly kisses his ample orange ass. So, there's THAT.

[NewJeffCT]

68. I agree

He's an asshole, but he's an asshole whether he's straight, gay or bi.

[AllyCat]

71. Exactly!!

Why is wearing pink, or dresses, or makeup or being feminine somehow worthy of insult to someone who deserves actual criticism for his horrible behavior?

[Starry Messenger]

72. K&R

[IndyOp]

73. DU makes progress - sometimes slowly. I remember when prison rape jokes were

popular. Many posts with those jokes received avalanches of negative comments and overtime they stopped.

[Kali]

79. not entirely

I see it pretty often.

[IndyOp]

89. Wow. Disappointed to hear that. I don't see as many. Mileage may vary. (nt)

[ismnotwasm]

77. K&R

[Siwsan]

78. He lacks the integrity and honor it takes to be a man. Best I can call him is male.

Maybe classify him as a y-chromosome carrying entity.

[MyNameGoesHere]

82. I have no opinion on whether he is a man or not.

Does it make a difference considering who we're talking about?

[MFM008]

84. He is not a man

He is a squishy boneless amoebic growth .

[Big Chief]

87. Okay okay... Nobody going to talk about ad that's shown?

The Clipper Pro, which looks like it could, well... clip “it” off? 🤣🤣🤣 or am I the only one seeing this?

[cwydro]

93. Not a clue what you're talking about.

But you’re heading down a wrong road.

[Big Chief]

115. Don't see how...

The ad that pops up in the middle of the post, at least for me, is what at first glance appears to be a castrator... like they use on cows (and also to insert toys into balloons)

Given the op I thought it was funny.

[Codeine]

120. Every user sees different ads

assuming they see ads at all. That’s why literally nobody understood your comment.

[scheming daemons]

88. Lindsey Graham is a male

He is most definitely not a man.

[Caliman73]

99. I sort of understand what you are trying to say but...

then we get into the whole discussion about, "What is a man?" and who gets to define what a man is.

When I was younger with my first son, I had uncles who would criticize me mercilessly when they saw me changing his diapers. They would say, "What the hell are you doing? That is a woman's job. Why are you acting like a woman?" In their deeply held beliefs they know that changing diapers was not being a man.

I am not defending Graham here, but we need to be real careful when we attack someone's identity. We can, with evidence say that Graham is not an honest man, an ethical man, a loyal man, etc... we can show through his own words and actions that he has lied, been unethical, and disloyal. We can't prove that he is not a "man", unless we can create a universally accepted definition of what a "man" is.

[NurseJackie]

107. Boom!

[BigDemVoter]

92. My take on it is that Lindsey is the one who has a problem being gay.

I obviously don't care if Lindsey Graham is gay or not. I find him repulsive either way.

MY problem with Lindsey Graham is that I suspect he is a self-loathing gay man who is homophobic as hell. What might have caused Lindsey to suddenly turn into a Pussy-Grabber supporter? Well. . . Let's think about what Pussy-Grabber might have on Lindsey. . .

I have seldom or never witnessed this kind of change in behavior without there being some kind of "stick" involved. As Pussy-Grabber plays all kinds of nasty games, let's just say that Pussy-Grabber has a tape or information on Lindsey involving sex for money or sex with a young boy. . .

I don't think this is far fetched, given how Lindsey was screaming and screeching on television this morning. Normal people don't behave that way.

I don't know what it is, but Pussy-Grabber has SOMETHING.

[Caliman73]

95. Misogyny and homophobia are DEEPLY ingrained in many societies, including the US.

I won't get into racism because your post is focused on gender and sexuality issues. We are all brought up in a society that emphasizes the value of "masculinity" and dominance and denigrates any departure from such. Women are highly denigrated as weak, unstable, and emotional. Gay and transgender people denigrated for failing to conform to narrow definitions of gender and sexuality for being effeminate (gay men), for failing to accept subservient feminine qualities (masculine lesbians), and not being attracted to the "appropriate sex", etc...

You are absolutely correct about insults based on gender and sexuality having no place in society. We all need to examine WHY we think those insults are acceptable.

Why is it funny or particularly biting about calling Graham "Miss Lindsey"? What is the insult?

I know that people will argue that it is a particular insult to Graham because he is either trying to hide homosexuality or is particularly anti-gay or misogynistic in his policy making. My question is ... So?

The insult while aimed personally is a social act. We insult people so that other people hear and can join in the ridicule. The insult is solely based on drawing attention to the "inferiority" of one identity (female/gay/etc..) and how the target inhabits some of those "inferior" qualities.

[NewsCenter28]

96. Not sure we need a thread defending Lindsey Graham here on DU

There are other websites for that.

[LexVegas]

102. What?

[demmiblue]

105. Whoosh... this thread is not about defending Graham.

[Codeine]

121. Not even vaguely what's going on,

but you do you, fam.

[cwydro]

133. Whoosh.

[NewsCenter28]

97. Perhaps the OP should talk to Dr. Blasey Ford about how Graham treated her

During the Kavanaugh confirmation hearings.

[onecaliberal]

98. He is a vapid soulless steaming pile.

[stonecutter357]

100. Lindsey Graham is a racist pig just like trump !

[demigoddess]

101. Graham is a man, but that is not saying much.

[Mike Nelson]

103. Thank you...

... this has always bothered me. People on the other side have used "he" when referring to... well, I won't repeat their names, but it's wrong. It's always wrong.

[cstanleytech]

104. My description of Lindsey Graham can be summed up with one word which is "asshole".

[smirkymonkey]

108. Well, that's going a little overboard.

He might technically male, but he is anything but a man. In fact, I don't think there is a single "man" in the entire republican party.

[VOX]

111. Strongly agree. Stereotyping of any kind is abhorrent. Attack them on actions and policy.

I know, I’m mad as fuck too, and I’d like to toss every epithet in the book against all MAGAts.

But why hurt the innocent with hate speech and stereotypes? That shit spreads like a brush fire. It poisons everything, way beyond the intended target of scorn.

Nail ‘em on their tactics, their actions, their policies. Call them what they actually are: assholes, fascists, hate-mongers, autocrats, hyper-religious, liars, anti-American, cultists, hypocrites, etc.

There’s plenty of genuinely harsh and legit descriptors for these jerks. Stereotyping is unnecessary.

[Ms. Toad]

114. Thank you. It is a sad commentary on DU that this needs to be said.

Repeatedly.

Even sadder that those of us who repeatedly point it out know how pointless it is to hope that there might come a day on DU when it is homophobic/misogynsitic/transphobic insults will be universally recognized for what they are, and condemned.

[trof]

117. No, he is not a 'man'.

Not by any accepted definition of the word.
He's a weasel, a lick-spittle, a brown-nose, a quisling, a suck-up, a jellyfish, a toady, an enabler, a disgrace to his office, and a violator of his oath of office.
To name just a few.

But a man?
No.
Not by my definition.

[Blue Owl]

125. At best a homunculus

n/t

[backscatter712]

129. What's the over/under of Lindsey being caught snorting meth off of a rentboy?

[NurseJackie]

138. I think Little Lindsey is being blackmailed with BDSM photos...

... of him in naughty attire.

[MasonDreams]

130. Lindsey Graham is not a man. My guess is 👽 alien parasite with insect and reptilian features.

[AlexSFCA]

131. it's irrelevant who he is; his body is not worth what resides inside

[colsohlibgal]

132. He Appears To Be A Compromised Man

My guess is that Trump has compromising material on him, and he better not stop licking Trump’s boots or that material gets delivered to a media outlet.

[rufus dog]

134. so with my rw, evangelical male friends I have two choices

Spend 30 minutes arguing with them or state, "he is a dainty little bitch"

Offensive - FUCK YES

Effective - FUCK YES

Here is the problem, your way is nice, and leads to them doing nothing other than thinking I am Snowflake.

My way kicks them in the balls AND potentially stops the next level of violence.

Nothing against your way, but I ain't in.

[Ms. Toad]

141. Thank you for adding to the hostile environment

on DU, and in the world.

Frankly, your using our lives as a battering ram will not change their opinions. It might make you feel temporarily better. But the amount of hate and hostility is overwhelming for those of us it is directed at. It's kind of like walking aroung 24/7 with an emotional version of the flu. It is always there - and we never get a break from it.

So coming here - and finding someone proudly announcing how they use our lives to get the best of people for fleeting brief personal pleasure - in a thread the point of which is to kindly ask others to step off of our necks - is disheartening, to say the least.

[DashOneBravo]

135. I disagree with everything he does and stands for.

But I agree with your statement.