****House Judiciary votes on articles of impeachment. Live stream. thread 2****

[BumRushDaShow]

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1. GRATES (Matt Gaetz R-FL) entered some bs into the record.

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2. Steve Cohen (D-TN) up - reminding them that Sondland was Drumpf's APPOINTEE

"Everyone in the loop".

Correcting the record - "strong-arming".

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3. Cohen - re-quoting Drumpf "Article II says I can do anyting I want"

Bringing up Michael Cohen - who says that Drumpf never "says" exactly what he really means and Cohen is now sitting in prison.

"'Individual 1' is not in prison because 'Individual 1' and could not be indicted because of Justice Department policy" :rolf:

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4. Ben Cline (R-VA) up -

Whining about Sondland.

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5. Cline yielded to a hyper Collins.

Pound that podium!

[NJCher]

7. I call him "Hypey Collins"

He is a cue to laugh.

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15. ...

[DeminPennswoods]

6. Am really waiting for some Dem to hold up Gaetz' mug shot

for the cameras.

I heard Hakeem Jefferies humilate Jordan with just the facts after Jordan talked about the "perfect" call between Trump and Zelensky.

[BumRushDaShow]

20. I'll include that here

[Cousin Dupree]

8. Degrigating. A new word screaming Collins just made up.

[dchill]

13. And the degrigation continues.

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9. Steve Cohen (D-TN) - just had a unanimous request to include multiple papers into the record

calling for impeachment

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10. Greg Steube (R-FL) up

and just lied about Drumpf "meeting with" Zelensky - when he never had any "formal WH meeting" with him that had been promised.

[bearsfootball516]

11. Who the heck is Greg Steube? Guy is a moron.

[DeminPennswoods]

103. Moron seems a necessary qualification to be a member

of the GOP.

[Mossfern]

12. This is so unlike me

but I've taken to turning off the sound on my computer when the Republicans speak. It does help my blood pressure a bit.

[Marthe48]

17. welcome to DU

I can't listen to them. I have trouble sitting through diatribes too.

[H2O Man]

14. Enjoy this day!

Recommended.

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16. Steub yielded to GYMSUIT for some bullshit and has now yielded to GRAETZ

Whining about the Trump University mention!!

[Marthe48]

19. scraping the bottom of the barrel?

Although, if it is the repuke side, it is all b-o-t-b

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18. Tom McClintock (R-CA) up and screwing the GOP's only argument

One side of the GOP demands "criminal charges" and his side says that nothing "criminal" can happen to a President while he is in office.

[bluestarone]

23. WOW! can't fix stupid

End of story! HATE these fuckers!

[bearsfootball516]

21. Good old McClintock, saying Democrats are trying to nullify the 2016 election

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22. Collins back again

This is all their next to last stand.

[mainstreetonce]

24. If this was the first time I saw Congress

I would assume all the educated,professional people are on one side.

Seriously team D looks like a law school convention and team R looks like a gang from the men's locker room.

[BumRushDaShow]

26. And the scary thing about that is that they were like that when THEY were in charge

[DeminPennswoods]

104. The junior high men's locker room,

you probably mean...

[The_Counsel]

25. Collins Still Whining That Abuse of Power Isn't Really Impeachable. Okay, Fine, Doug...

Let's read Article II of the U.S. Constitution into the record today. It outlines what the President can do. It also implies what s/he CANNOT do, likely because those rights have already been granted to Congress in Article I or the Supreme Court in Article III. It is spelled out. In black and white.

Any action by the President that falls outside of Article II, or infringes upon Article I or III, is an ABUSE of POWER. Period. Full stop. It is not rocket science.

You know what ELSE Article I does? It outlaws the Congress ceding its Article I power to any other entity. Not the President. Not the Supreme Court. Not ANYONE or ANYTHING.

These articles of impeachment are clean. They are perfect (thanks to the poster who pointed that out earlier). The Trumpers on that committee needs to just accept it, vote it out and move on already...

[blaze]

27. Why do they move to strike the last word? nt

[TCJ70]

30. It's just part of the debate rules of the committee. N/t

[mainstreetonce]

31. There is an explanation somewhere here

But not being a lawyer,I don't understand it.It somehow gives them a full five minutes.

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32. That is a Parliamentary tactic to continue debate of the current Amendment as part of their markup

I.e., it lets them extend the debate time from 5 minutes for each side (total 10 minutes) to whatever amount of time they need to finish the debate.

[blaze]

35. Thanks to all

For anyone looking for clarification, a quick search found this (and many others)

https://www.countable.us/articles/287-markup-marathon-does-strike-word-mean

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29. Madeleine Dean (D-PA) up - putting it all out on the table. THE FACTS.

Again emphasizing that CONGRESS authorized the funds and the money WAS certified and it was only the President who withheld the money without cause.

[Mersky]

33. Never thought I'd see so many members of Congress lying

So elaborately, so continually. The republicons are willingly committing fraud against the American people, and helping the pResident coverup his crimes.

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34. Cicilline yielded to from Dean to read something into the record and Nadler just yielded some of his

time to him as well.

Reading info about "impeachment".

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36. Nadler up - clarifying more bullshit from the GOP

[nolabear]

37. "Of course he denies he was pressured!"

THANK you, Chairman Nadler!

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38. Debate done. Now voting on the Gymsuit's amendment

(amendment to strike the first Article of Impeachment)

[mainstreetonce]

39. Are they going to vote today?

We have heard enough debate.

[nolabear]

40. What was the amendment?

[greatauntoftriplets]

41. Amentdment defeated, as we knew it would be.

And now Gaetz is foaming at the mouth again.

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42. Amendment is not agreed to. Now GRAETZ has an amendment

Attempting to insert the bullshit CT of "Burisma and Hunter Biden" into the impeachment article.

Now he's smearing Hunter.

How can he get up there and say this while Ivanka, JR, and Eric as well as Jared are right there in West Wing.

[nolabear]

43. Gaetz had better watch it. He's opening a big can of worms.

He’s an unmitigated asshole.

[Arkansas Granny]

46. It's OK. He doesn't want to make light of anyone's substance abuse problems.

[nolabear]

53. Hank Johnson just busted him! LOL!

[Arkansas Granny]

57. Yes he did!

[DeminPennswoods]

105. Tell me he held up the mug shot

nt

[nini]

47. Hunter Biden may or may not have been crooked

BUT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT TRUMP DID.

GAWD... they make me sick.

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50. It's amazing that their Faux Snooze zombies

don't see the Drumpf children. And Democrats could certain go there but obviously the GOP has lost this.

[hibbing]

44. Burisma, Hunter Biden, Burisma, Hunter Biden

Regardless of what happens with impeachment, if Biden gets the nomination, this is all we will hear.


WTH now Hunter Biden and white substance? What a colossal asshole Gaetz is.

Peace

[IcyPeas]

45. how can he do this?

what the fuck about don fucken junior and siblings?

why are they tearing Hunter Biden a new ________

[nini]

48. because their followers will believe Trump is trying to 'clean up' corruption

LOLOLOLOLOL

[greatauntoftriplets]

49. Gaetz is a fine person to talk about Hunter Biden's alleged drug use.

[The_Counsel]

51. Matt Just Doesn't Gaet(z) It.

Hunter Biden is/was a partner in a consulting firm hired by Burisma. He was put on the board of directors not because of his energy prowess, but because of his legal background.

As an attorney, I'm sure Matt Gaetz knows this. He just hopes the rest of us don't.

Par for the course with this bunch, though...

[padah513]

61. Best explanation I've heard

[IcyPeas]

52. I love Hank Johnson

pot calling the kettle black

[Arkansas Granny]

55. Loved his remarks about substance abuse.

[hibbing]

58. Uh oh....whoopsie

Damn, good, throw that crap right back into Gaetz' smug face!


Peace

[spooky3]

54. Why are the Repubs getting so much time to scream? I've watching only off-and-on

with the TV muted but every time I have looked up, except one, the Repubs were yammering on.

[BumRushDaShow]

60. This is "debate" during a mark-up so any member can request to

add to the debate. The "rules" are technically "5 minutes per side" but they use a parliamentary tactic to extend past the 10 minute max.

[spooky3]

93. Thank you! nt

[BumRushDaShow]

95. You are welcome - the GOP is "talking more"

because they are stalling the process and gaming the rules.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

56. BOOM! Rep. Johnson "It would not be proper to point out the substance abuse of fellow members"

Right after Gaetz spewed on and on and on about Hunter Biden.

A literal laugh out loud moment.

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59. Hank Johnson (D-GA) up - Pot calling the kettle black

And he's asking the question that Jayapal asked - "Is it proper for a President to invite a foreign country to interfere in our election?". (pause and silence)

Gave them an opportunity to respond and they couldn't and wouldn't respond!!

[Mersky]

68. That was great.

Audible snickering in the room to his demurring calling out of gaetz's audacious hypocrisy.

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62. Sensenstupid up (James Sensenbrenner (R-WI)) - now obfuscating "bribery"

and "criminal codes" again.

Johnson broke in telling Sensenbrenner would he answer his question about would they accept that a President can invite a foreign country to interfere".

Sensenfuck is now smearing Biden.

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63. Mugshot GRAETZ got time yielded

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64. Now GRAETZ is smearing Hillary

[UTUSN]

65. Catch me up, please, questions:

1) We're in the "amendments" phase, right? So, is there a limit on Amendments, do they need to be filed ahead of time by a fixed time limit? Seems like after voting down an amendment they edit a word, phrase, or lines on the same amendment and it all starts over again?

2) What does "strike the last word" mean?

3) Where are we in getting to the final Final vote?


****Tia. I seldom ask to be handed catch-up on a platter without doing some due diligence.

[BumRushDaShow]

74. Will try to answer

1.) During the markups - they usually have rules for the committee and I don't think there are any limits to amendments and they can submit on the fly

2.) "strike the last word" was described earlier in the thread here (allows extension beyond the 10 total minutes of debate on an amendment) -

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212774391#post32
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212774391#post35

3.) Once they are done the votes for the 2 Articles of impeachment, then it will go to the House floor for debate and final vote (not sure of that schedule). However - it may take some time for this markup process though if they decide to try to amend the 2nd Article.

[getagrip_already]

82. also...

They can't debate more than one amendment at a time, and nadler kicked off the discussion with an amendment (expanding the J. to John in the articles).

That essentially locked up the debate to discussing the open proposed amendment. So they say something innocuous like make a motion "to strike the last word" of the existing open amendment, which can then be debated.

At some point, nadler will move to end debate on the amendment, take a vote, and then move to end amendments and move to a vote on the existing articles (as not amended).

Parliamentary, but still allows debate without allowing changes or taking messy votes on every whacko idea.

[Arkansas Granny]

66. Now Gaetz is talking about Hillary Clinton's crimes? WTF?!?!?

[BumRushDaShow]

67. Sheila Jackson-Lee (D-TX) up - This is about DISTRACTION DISTRACTION DISTRACTION

GOP "admitting they DID target the Bidens!"

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69. Sheila waving the Constituton

"I knew Barbara Jordan" and the other side was quoting her but let me quote what else she said regarding impeachment"....

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70. Ratfucker (John Ratcliff R-TX) up - whine whine whine "Unitary Executive"

[bluestarone]

71. They gonna play the amendment game all day?

That's their plan i see!

[BumRushDaShow]

72. GYMSUIT got yielded to and is doing the Mulvaney defense

"that's politics".

[C_U_L8R]

73. You'd think they'd run out of kitchen sinks

Good gravy, these republican are so desperate they'll spew any old bullshit.

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75. Zoe Lofgren (D-CA) - clarified the whole impeachment process and just yielded to Ted Deutch to

continue.

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76. Lofgren now yielding to Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY)

Emphasizing that 12 of the witnesses were ALL Drumpf appointees!

[demtenjeep]

77. finally someone threw in the spawn of #fatdonnie

they are horrid and so are the repukes

[IcyPeas]

79. we the people of the U.S.

just paid for don cretin jr. to go to mongolia to kill an endangered sheep for it's horns.

we paid for his fucken trip!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BumRushDaShow]

78. MUTE - GOCART (Louis Gohmert R-TX)

Whine whine whine Mueller whine.

[BumRushDaShow]

80. Now GOCART is using the Democrats' argument that the GOP is "projecting"

to claim that Democrats are "projecting".

Now droning on and on.

[BumRushDaShow]

81. Steve Chabot (R-OH) up - Biden Biden Biden CT

[The_Counsel]

84. Isn't Mr. Chabot a Republican?

[BumRushDaShow]

86. Yes - I'm sorry

Am typing too fast. ("r" and "d" are right near each other)

[The_Counsel]

97. No Biggie.

[Mersky]

83. That's right, gohmert

Y'all GOPers have been lying, cheating bastards for years. And for the current matters at hand, y'all haven’t changed one bit.

So, keep talking, gohmerts of the committee, keep robbing your constituents' possibilities of a decent future.

[OhNo-Really]

85. Whereby the GOP uses Time to Try Joe Biden

Doing the bidding of Trump’s re-election.

[IcyPeas]

87. bullshit steve chabot

there are hundred of bills sitting on mcconnel's desk that he hasn't touched (per Nancy Pelosi)

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88. Collins inserted a whine in and yielded to GRAETZ.

Smear smear Biden Biden.

[IcyPeas]

89. ivanka /nt

[BumRushDaShow]

90. They are so clueless that this whole line of argument

becomes a giant boomerang.

[The_Counsel]

91. Oh Good Lord, Just Call Gaetz' Drunk Ass Out Already...

Fuck being polite...just nail Gaetz ass already. He clearly has an axe to grind with Hunter Biden.

Man...put Hunter and Matt in a room alone and I'll BET he'd whoop Matt's ass...

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92. Andy Biggs (R-AZ) - up again - whine whine repeating his previous crap

over everrryyy onnneee issss aggggainnsssttt thhhiiisssss Pressssssiddeennnnntttttttt *sniff* *waaaaaaaa***

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94. Biggs now putting the whole Biden CT bullshit back out there again

[Mossfern]

96. Why do they keep bringing up Bidens and Barisma

they have nothing to do with the issue.

[Mersky]

102. Because they can't resist harming a political opponent

Like Biden. Doesn't matter one bit to them that tRump was plying a foreign country to interfere in the 2020 election.

Burisma is their new Benghazi, an exotic word that starts with 'B' and probably resonates in focus groups like a shiny object fascinates chickens. The actual facts don’t matter, is just a verbal vehicle for lobbing accusations and to Gish gallop whataboutisms.

In many ways, they are continuing the very crime they are supposed to protect the country from, because they are okay with cheating the electorate if it benefits them.

[BumRushDaShow]

98. Cicilline responding to GYMSUIT - 400 bills passed, 275 bipartisan

80% are "lying on Mitch McConnell's desk awaiting action. Persuade Mitch McConnell to do his job and bring to floor".

[avebury]

106. They only thing that would have made Cicilline's reply better

would be if he was added: and, as you should be aware, you voted in favor of _____ of the bills.

[BumRushDaShow]

107. Well he said that "275 of the 400 were bipartisan"

meaning members of both parties voted for them - so he got that out there.

[BumRushDaShow]

99. ****House Judiciary votes on articles of impeachment. Live stream. thread 3**** up

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212774881

[malaise]

100. I'm listening and not watching most of the time as

I'm giving the kitchen a serious pre-Christmas cleaning -I do have the remote close by to mute most of the ReTHUGs

[BumRushDaShow]

101. They have talked alot while saying nothing

so you could have muted much of it!