"You cannot take the vote away from 63 million people that voted for Donald Trump".

[kentuck]

No, but you can take the vote away from 66 million that voted against him?

Don't they ever think of all the votes against Trump when they say that?

[DinahMoeHum]

1. Correction: the 66 miilion who voted for Hilary Clinton

n/t

[lame54]

11. Yes, there were more that voted against Trump

[DinahMoeHum]

13. The voting tabulators do not count who you vote against. . .

. . .only who you vote FOR.

[pnwmom]

25. But the 66 million doesn't include another 3 million or so who also voted against Trump --

those who voted for Jill Stein, etc.

[The_Counsel]

26. Actually, It's Even More than That...

By my count, it's just under 74 million that voted against Trump.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election#Candidates_table

The highest raw total ever. Yet he he still got to be President. Damned Electoral College...

[pnwmom]

29. Thanks, The_Counsel, for the back-up. That's quite a number! nt

[0rganism]

2. the votes against Trump are not legitimate to the cultists

they brook no disagreement. to vote against Trump is to stand against God and country.

the thing that really torches that stupidity is VP Pence -- even if Trump goes, they still have that bible thumping demi-albino to lead them forward. it's such bullshit.

[MontanaMama]

3. To the tRump humpers I say

Hold our beer and watch this...

We might not be able to remove him from office but he and his ilk will forever be remembered as the stain they are on our nation.

[kentuck]

7. The "Do-Nothing Democrats" can impeach his sorry ass.

What will they do? Try to get it reversed?

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

4. No

They have their heads up their collective asses.

[Moostache]

5. Now, if we could only get a few million of the 100+ million voters who skipped 2016 to show up...

66 M to Hillary
63 M to Chump
100M couldn't be bothered to wander into a voting booth...

[link:https://fortune.com/2018/08/09/nonvoters-trump-presidency-pew-study/|

Sad but true, 40% of eligible voters did not participate...

And while the study shows that nonvoters were less likely to align with the Republican Party, the data gets fuzzier in terms of how nonvoters feel ideologically. “Owing in part to the tendency of nonvoters to be politically disengaged more generally, there are far more nonvoters than voters who fall into the ‘mixed’ category on the ideological consistency scale,” the study authors noted.

The truth is there are more people who do not follow, engage in or participate in our politics than those that do...getting them to engage is the entire battle - Trump's approval is mired in the low-40%s and has ALWAYS been there or lower...we need people to give a shit and show up in 2020...EVERYWHERE - not just fucking Iowa or South Carolina or Nevada...in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Florida, North Carolina, Texas and Georgia...

[rickyhall]

38. But if they did vote the Repugs wouldn't stand a chance and they know that

[C_U_L8R]

6. The guy they voted for turned out to be a crook

They didn't vote to give him absolute immunity.
The twisted republican logic around this stuff is extremely fucked up.

[Delmette2.0]

37. +1

Dipshit lied during the campaign, that is what people voted for. They did not vote for a monarchy.

[ThoughtCriminal]

8. Then explain your vote to impeach President Clinton

but.... but... but...

Yargle bargle!

[Atticus]

9. Actually, 66 million is merely the number of votes cast for Hillary Clinton. Add in the votes cast

for all the "minor" candidates, and it was approximately 75 million who voted for someone other than Trump.

[DinahMoeHum]

15. Like I said, voting machines do not tabulate who you vote against. . .

. . .only who you vote for.

eg. Candidate A 33% of the total vote
Candidate B 33% of the total vote
Candidate C 34% of the total vote

Candidate C wins because the majority voted for Candidate C

Candidates A and B totaling 66% does NOT equal victory, even though it was against Candidate C.

Repeat: the tabulator does not have a mind of it's own, it merely collects the votes. It does NOT count who you vote against, only who you vote FOR.

[Atticus]

19. Like I said, in 2016 the "tabulator" recorded that 75 million people voted FOR someone

other than Trump. Impeaching him is not "overturning the will of the people."

[NewJeffCT]

10. 66 million for Clinton

and then 8 million for other candidates - Johnson, Stein, etc

[Claritie Pixie]

12. It's not about that! It's about the Constitution.

It's what he did AFTER he took his oath, then violated it.

This absurd argument is just a distraction.

[charliea]

20. His oath was forsworn by the time he finished it...

He was in violation of the Constitution the second he finished the oath. He was violating the emoluments clause as he took the oath...

[StarfishSaver]

14. The Constitution took away the votes of the 66 million people who voted for Hillary

It happens...

[SKKY]

16. He's right, we can't take away the votes of 63 million people who voted for him..

...but he can certainly give them away, through is illegal actions. There are really two ways of looking at this. The state can't take away my driver's license. But I can certainly DUI/DWI and screw it away.

[rzemanfl]

17. One would hope a significant number of them wish they could have

their votes back after nearly three years of this shit show.

[CaptYossarian]

18. Idiots. Andrew Johnson is still in the history books.

AJ might not like what was written though.

[hurple]

21. No they don't

Not even once

[StatGirl]

22. Of course they do.

But their followers will buy the line without thinking. So they lie, because that keeps them in power.

They are not stupid (with a few obvious exceptions). They are evil.

[bucolic_frolic]

23. You get pulled into logic. This isn't about logic. It's about theft.

In their minds, only THEIR side matters. That's the problem, first, foremost, comprehensive. They are not about democracy, equality, fairness, or divided government. They are about privilege, money, power, and dominance, about dividing the benefits of society amongst those able to pay cash for them: themselves. And using religion to distort the minds of blue collar people so they will gladly or unwittingly follow suit.

[IronLionZion]

24. They show electoral maps where lots of open land voted Republican

where just tiny little blue dots of cities voted Democratic. Because the votes of urban liberals don't matter.

And I've seen a lot of deplorables online posting state maps where it's deeply unfair that the Democrat won their state-wide election with more votes from people when the Republican candidate got more land in the rural areas.

There are a lot of things deeply wrong with these people.

[The Genealogist]

44. As I used to tell my dad, who liked to play the "look how red the map is," dirt don't vote

St Louis County is blue. Something like 17% of the people in Missouri live in St Louis county alone. If St Louis County were a state, it would have more people than 7 other states. But it is only 508 square miles, so it looks like a dot on the map.

[sandensea]

27. "Yeah - but whut about the 5 million illegul votes?"

"I have a friend in California who says she saw lots of Mexicuns voting!"

[Botany]

31. My Ohio kin folk from 20 minutes north of me.

Proud to be stupid. This is what happened after Reagan got rid of the Fairness Doctrine idiots bathing in hate talk and Fox News.

[sandensea]

32. +1

They know what they're doing.

But then, it's so easy with certain folks.

[Botany]

33. Fox News just reinforces their own dumb fuck thinking

Did you know that Hillary Clinton had somebody murdered to hide Bill's cocaine ring?

[sandensea]

39. And the best part is...

that Barry Seal's Mena, AR, coke-running operation was sponsored by the CIA by Poppy Bush during the Reagan years to finance the Contras (the Iran deal, which got all the press, was just a small part of it all).

And the U.S. Attorney that helped cover up Seal's activities after his 1986 murder? Asa Hutchinson, now governor of Arkansas.

That's another specialty of right-wing politics: accusing your opponents of the very thing you've been doing.

[kentuck]

55. They're ripe for Jesus...

Most of them believe in the Golden Rule....He who has the gold, rules.

[aggiesal]

36. All we Mexicuns is illegal ...

They mad, cuz we no vote for Pendejo45

[sandensea]

41. ¡Asi es!

That, and their perceived skin color (Mexicans, of course, can be of any race).

They're absolutely obsessed with skin pigmentation.

[sprinkleeninow]

52. Pendejo45 🤡

👍 🌝

[Wawannabe]

28. Right!

We the people got robbed!

[Botany]

30. Never forget that 16 million voters were removed prior..

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.... to the 2016 election too.

Consider this data from Myrna Pérez of New York University’s Brennan Center for Justice: “Between 2014 and 2016, states removed almost 16 million voters from the rolls. That’s almost 4 million more than between 2006 and 2008.” And it should be obvious that that is a rate that outstrips the growth rate of total registered voters and the growth rate of total population.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/almost-16-million-voters-were-removed-from-the-rolls-we-should-be-alarmed/2019/05/15/f3de396a-7682-11e9-bd25-c989555e7766_story.html

[aggiesal]

34. Here are the totals for the 2016 Presidential Election based on FEC numbers ...

Total number of votes: ----- 137,338,603
Pendejo45 votes: ------------ 62,984,825
-------------------------------------------
Total of non-Pendejo45 votes: 74,353,778

So 66 million didn't vote against him, 74.3 Million voted against him.

We keep forgetting that there were more than 2 candidates.

[jmowreader]

35. When the guy 63 million people voted for turns out to be a crook?

[struggle4progress]

40. "It would be so unfair to deny Russia a voice in our elections"

[lambchopp59]

42. I believe

That this shit show of an administration could finally motivate unprecedented numbers of voters in 2020. I can name two offhand who have a case of "doesn't make any difference" voter complacency syndrome for decades, now mentioning they want to vote next year, if only to stop Donald Trump's ugly mug from appearing on every website ad, put an end to this sickening tilt-a-whirl we've been riding for 3 years now.
We have many debates and 11 months of sorting this out to find the sharpest most anti-Trump antidote of a candidate.

[John Fante]

43. The fact that Gump got 63 million idiots to vote for him

does not give fuckhead the right to trample the constitution.

[ck4829]

50. Indeed

[Catherine Vincent]

45. Agree

If anything, is taken away, they are taking away the vote of the electoral college and not the people.

[TNNurse]

46. Impeachment is not taking away their votes.

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It is addressing his behavior since they voted. A very big difference.

[elder phd]

47. make that 73 million against him!

hillary got 66 mill, but ...there were others:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election#Statistical_analysis

[elder phd]

48. aggiesal beat me to it

sorry i overlooked your comment!

no one in the media makes this point, tho!

[aggiesal]

56. No doubt if Hillary had won ...

RW noise machine and M$M would be yelling that 70M+ voted against Hillary.

[ck4829]

49. K&R

[sprinkleeninow]

51. HRC was leading until she wasn't. Nefarious to lil ol' me.

And then there's comey stunt.....

[unblock]

53. If they voted for Donnie, they also voted for pence

Removal would replace one person they voted for with another person they voted for.

[Garrett78]

54. Never mind the 66 million. The very premise is false. Impeachment does not take votes away.

Impeachment does not undo an election. That's simply a bullshit talking point, and we shouldn't give it any credence whatsoever.