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babylonsister

(171,057 posts)
Sat Dec 14, 2019, 02:06 PM Dec 2019

Watch Trump Tell Same Story Four Times, Each Time Naming a Different Jewish Friend



https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/12/watch-trump-same-story-four-times-naming-different-jewish-friend.html

Watch Trump Tell Same Story Four Times, Each Time Naming a Different Jewish Friend
By Daniel Politi
Dec 14, 20199:27 AM


President Donald Trump regularly references supposed conversations he has with friends and acquaintances to illustrate his points at rallies. Probably the most infamous example is his supposed friend Jim, who no longer visits Paris yearly like he once did because “Paris is no longer Paris.” Recently he started telling a story about a conversation with a Jewish friend, except the Jewish friend in question keeps changing. The Washington Post points out that in recent weeks Trump has told a nearly identical anecdote that serves to celebrate his termination of the Iran nuclear deal at least four times. And each time the person who he refers to is different, including one time when he told the same story twice on the same day.

The first time the story seems to have been told was in September, when Trump was much more general and referred to having a conversation with “people,” without naming anyone in particular. “I said to people, what is more important, the Golan Heights or the capital of Jerusalem by moving our embassy there,” Trump said. “He said, neither sir, what you’ve done in Iran is more important,” the president added, seemingly changing his “people” to a man in one breath.


Then the story reappeared on Dec. 7, and this time Trump claimed he had that conversation with Republican financier Sheldon Adelson. “I said to Sheldon, ‘What do you think was bigger? … Israel and the embassy going in, and it became Jerusalem, the capital of Israel? Or the Golan Heights?’ He said, ‘Neither.’ ”

A few days later, Dec. 11, the story got double billing as Trump told it at two White House Hanukkah receptions. First up was New Englands Patriots owner Robert Kraft. “I said, ‘Bob Kraft, which is bigger? Which is more important to the Jewish people?’ He said, ‘Neither.’ I said, ‘What does that mean?’ He said, ‘What you did by terminating the Iran nuclear deal is bigger than both.’ I think that’s true,” Trump said. Four hours later, the commander in chief repeated the same story but this time starring real estate developer Charles Kushner. “I said, ‘Charlie, let me ask you, what’s bigger for the Jewish people: giving the embassy to Jerusalem, it becomes the capital of Israel. What’s bigger? That or the Golan Heights?’ He said, ‘Neither.’ I said, ‘What does that mean?’ He said, ‘The biggest thing of all is what you did by ending the Iran nuclear catastrophe’,” Trump said. He got lots of applause.

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UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
1. I'm sure what it is is that all those different people just happened to reply to his question in the
Sat Dec 14, 2019, 02:11 PM
Dec 2019

exact same way....c'mon it happens all the time.

marble falls

(57,079 posts)
2. That's because he thinks all Jewish are alike. You know his admin had redefined Judaism as a ...
Sat Dec 14, 2019, 02:14 PM
Dec 2019

nationality, he's formalized the "themness" he feels about them.

The Genealogist

(4,723 posts)
5. Trump seems to do this a lot
Sat Dec 14, 2019, 02:25 PM
Dec 2019

telling these anecdotes in which there are inconsistencies, or variations on "many people say."

This tactic reminds me of a way my maternal grandmother used to manipulate and defame people. She'd fabricate a story and attribute it to an unnamed source. For example, she went to my father's parents with a story in which someone allegedly told her that my father was wanted in a neighboring county on drug charges. Dad was working on a construction project in a neighboring state, and in the days before cell phones, could not be contacted. His folks took off for the city where he was working, and then found out that they were the victims of a hoax.

Every time I hear these Trumpian whoppers, I am reminded of how my maternal grandmother behaved.

gristy

(10,667 posts)
8. Sadly, this behavior and the observation of it is sliding into irrelevance
Sat Dec 14, 2019, 03:26 PM
Dec 2019

Pretty much everyone knows at this point that he lies all the time and his stories are apocryphal at best. But he does this to make a point. He's a storyteller, and a pretty good one at that. His backers understand this and so they don't even think of it as "lying".

Like when he says "I watched in Jersey City, New Jersey, where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building [World Trade Center] was coming down." His backers know this isn't specifically true. But, they reason, it could be! So they see Dump as doing a good job making his point.

Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)
10. 2015 The LA Jewish Journal Iran Poll (July) - Iran Nuclear Deal Survey of Jews and Non-Jews
Sun Dec 15, 2019, 03:08 AM
Dec 2019

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"The LA Jewish Journal poll in July 2015 measured and compared the reactions of American Jews and Americans generally to the agreement between the US, five other nations and Iran on nuclear control issues in Iran. Data file and reports now available at the Databank.

The survey was commissioned by the LA Jewish Journal, directed by Professor Steven M. Cohen, Hebrew Union College - Jewish Institute of Religion, and conducted by SSRS. Professor Cohen's main report can be downloaded via the DataBank on the Overview page (click "More Details" below if on Home Page). Additional analysis was provided by Jewish Journal senior political editor Shmuel Rosner; see link to left on Overview page.

According to Jewish Journal Publisher and editor-in-Chief Rob Eshman,the goal of the study was to " ...provide a precise, thorough portrait of American-Jewish and national opinion at a time of intense concern and debate. Our hope is that the numbers and analyses presented below will provide a better understanding of how this crucial sector views the controversial deal between the United States, Russia, China, France, Germany, the United Kingdom and Iran."

Among Professor Cohen’s main assessments of the survey are the following:

"By a wide margin, American Jews support the recently concluded agreement with Iran to restrict its nuclear program, and a clear majority of Jews wants Congress to approve the deal. In fact, as compared with Americans generally, Jews are more supportive of the 'Iran deal,' in large part because Jews are more liberal and more Democratic in their identities. It turns out that liberals (Jewish or not) support the deal far more than conservatives (Jewish or not), just as most Democrats are in favor, while most Republicans are opposed."

https://www.jewishdatabank.org/databank/search-results/study/783


Trump's fake anecdotes fly in the face of the truth about how American Jews feel about the Iran agreement.

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