Please tell me that today's USA Today's polls aren't accurate

[Polybius]

From the article on removing Trump from office:

In the wake of combative impeachment hearings, those surveyed oppose by 51%-45% a Senate vote to convict Trump on charges of abuse of power and obstruction of Congress. Though those results may be sobering – almost half of Americans support removing the president from office – they are a bit better for him than the survey's findings in October, when Americans split 47%-46%.

On Trump's approval ratings:

Trump's job approval rating in the new poll is 48% approve-50% disapprove, a tick better than in October, when it was 46%-52%.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/12/15/poll-impeachment-looms-narrow-majority-opposes-convicting-trump/2657549001/

[redstatebluegirl]

1. That is just what the GOP wanted, to make it hard for people to watch by yelling and screaming.

Then they could drive the narrative without those pesky facts getting in the way. I also don't think Nadler did as good a job as Schiff did in containing the craziness.

[applegrove]

2. Last week it was 54% for impeachment. We need an aggregate of the polls.

[MineralMan]

3. Polls go up; polls go down.

We don't have government by poll, except on election day.

[guillaumeb]

16. Exactly.

And only those who bother to vote count.

[Arthur_Frain]

4. What did the polls say HRC was going to win by?

Why are you still putting stock in polls?

[VMA131Marine]

5. The polls said HRC would win the national vote by between 2% and 3%

about exactly where she ended up.

[DeminPennswoods]

7. She did win the overall actual popular vote by just about what

the polls predicted.

[Funtatlaguy]

11. You would think in 2020 that the swing state polls

will be more closely watched and analyzed.
I’m hoping there are a lot of reputable polls done in:
Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, NC, Fla, Arizona.

[Polybius]

10. The night before the election, 2 or 3 points

That's the national percentage she won by.

[Arthur_Frain]

15. I'm not going to dig through archives of posts from years ago to prove my point.

And I’ll allow my memory has some flaws, but I remember polls being touted about HRC and how much of a shoe in she was. This went on through primaries and into the general, I remember this because it was about the same time I showed up here. I’d been injured and was confined, so went looking for something interesting.

I also remember pointing out that I did a great deal of driving around the west at that time, and I didn’t think the polls were anywhere near accurate. My posts weren’t well received, and I saw a few other posters who were a bit more mouthy get shouted down.

My point still stands about how much credence should be given to polls, they might have had some value in the culture of the 50’s but now, I don’t see how they can be seen as anything reputable.

[RandiFan1290]

29. Welcome back to DU

[octoberlib]

6. RCP has his approval at 43.8. 538 has him at 42.8

I'd say it's an outlier or leans slightly right. Anywhere in the forties is still too high.

[Polybius]

12. Nearly 44 on average is still up

Be was very low 40's a month or two ago. Why is he going up? He should be going down to the 30's.

[Funtatlaguy]

14. The media really, really, really wants another tight race.

Gets eyeball and clicks.
They would love for both nominees to have the exact same approval numbers coming out of the two conventions.
If our nominee is considerably higher, that person will be Hillaried with whatever stuff that Trump and the crooked right can find or just make up and lie about.

[Funtatlaguy]

8. Here's the averages from real clear politics.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/public_approval_of_the_impeachment_and_removal_of_president_trump-6957.html

[bitterross]

9. Polls are Useless. "Taken by landline and CellPhone"

Polls are useless anymore. It says:

"The poll of 1,000 registered voters, taken by landline and cellphone Tuesday through Saturday, has a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points."

Old, white people have landlines and are probably the most likely to answer an unknown number on their cellphone. Do you answer the phone if you don't know the number? I don't.

I don't think these polls are really representative of anything anymore.

[octoberlib]

13. I was thinking about this, too. I bet older people with landlines are over sampled. I don't

know anybody with a cellphone who answers a number they don't recognize and we're all in our 40's, 50's. I don't know how they even get any young people to respond.

[triron]

18. I don't either and I'm in my 70s.

I wouldn't trust USA Today. They are very conservative.

[octoberlib]

22. My mom is 81 and has a landline with caller id. She doesn't either.

[Poiuyt]

23. Didn't the editorial board come out in favor of impeachment?

I think so, but I could be wrong.

[coti]

17. I strongly doubt the poll's accuracy. nt

[budkin]

19. Best to stick to 538 aggregate

Still at 47.7% approval. They don't even reference the Suffolk / USA Today poll which means it's not a high-quality poll.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/?ex_cid=rrpromo

[Polybius]

21. Perhaps they'll reference it in a day or two

It just came out. I hate the results too, but it's a major polling firm.

[Jerrika]

20. Suffolk usually has a higher approval for Trump

Compared to other pollsters. I wouldn't be worried.

[FBaggins]

24. They had better not be.

Their general election presidential poll today is even more disturbing. Trump leads Biden by 3, Sanders by 5, and everyone else by 8-10.

There's no way that things have shifted that far that fast without any news to drive it.

[Polybius]

25. CNN and IBD/TIPP both came out with polls today

Both have him at 44%. That's better than 48%, but still higher than it was last month.

[brush]

26. CNN had a poll last night that was just the opposite.

[Polybius]

27. But their Trump approval rating today was 44%

Lower than USA Today's 48%, but still higher than he was last month.

[brush]

28. Just proves polls are just momentary snapshots of who and where...

you poll. If you poll in a red neighborhood you get one thing, in a blue neighborhood, another.