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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsC'mon white women. Really?
Link to tweet
Not all white women, of course. The majority of white women obviously get it. I'm talking to the 42% who've obviously lost your damned minds.
Everyone's busy trying to save you and the world from the disaster you still support, so we don't have time to explain it to you again.
But just follow along with the black women and do what we do.
mahina
(20,645 posts)Black women in this poll sure do see him clearly though!
Cosmocat
(15,424 posts)I know countless white woman who are strident consevatices, therefore love the POS. Most often their hook is religion.
A few days ago I had a go round w a couple from HS where one posted a fake George Washington meme about guns, I simply noted he didn't say that, anx they started with the "it still is a thought to consider, well the fake news, etc. bullshit.
I have had this same scenatio play out w other ones before. Honestly, outside of the white women I know from being politically active, of the white women I know, a clear majority are conservative.
Martin Eden
(15,628 posts)What kind of religion engenders love for a totally amoral POS who is a hellish example of what Jesus tried teaching us NOT to be?
njhoneybadger
(3,911 posts)Martin Eden
(15,628 posts)I seem to recall something about helping the poor & sick, welcoming the stranger, and turning the tables on the money changers in the temple.
njhoneybadger
(3,911 posts)21Not everyone who says to me, Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles? 23Then I will tell them plainly, I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)
A HERETIC I AM
(24,876 posts)Love it and stealing it!
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)If Jesus is upset with the way Christianity turned out, he should have made a stronger effort to define it.
As it stands, Christianity is what Christians do.
And it ain't pretty.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,876 posts)Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Cosmocat
(15,424 posts)this is probably why it never took for me ...
BigmanPigman
(55,137 posts)Beringia
(5,507 posts)I found this poll, it breaks it down for race and women/men, but I don't see it broken down by race in combination with gender.
https://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2019/images/09/10/rel10a.-.trump.pdf
alittlelark
(19,139 posts)Seriously, I cannot. I have had a few ppl tell me that 'it's just the way it is' I take some solace in the fact that younger white women are 'getting it'.
overleft
(404 posts)These people only see two issues: abortion and guns,
Yep
Martin Eden
(15,628 posts)It finally makes sense to me -- forcing women to give birth provides more targets for school shootings!
dchill
(42,660 posts)What kind of gun would Jesus conceal and carry?
walkingman
(10,864 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)and only those two issues matter; the rest of Republicans' acts do not concern them in the least; they figure if they get the SCOTUS they want, abortion will be overturned. Then they can start worrying about kids after they are born
get the red out
(14,031 posts)Maintaining white supremacy is in there too, IMO.
progressoid
(53,179 posts)Their view of America doesn't include all these non-white people getting the perks they've enjoyed their whole life.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)I mean, I get where you're coming from. I'm white. I'm liberal. We ain't all bad, obviously.
But being surprised by the numbers... don't y'all ever go outside?

loyalsister
(13,390 posts)And the same subtle racist stand by your privilege campaigns have been effective in convincing white women to support policies and politicians against their interest for a very long time. There were white women who opposed the 19th Amendment. Phyllis Shafley and Ann Coulter had mentors.
Pachamama
(17,564 posts)It is after all a percentage of who was polled...
getagrip_already
(17,802 posts)So you have a limited budget and a tight schedule, and your glorious statistician says you need to find 254 white woman spread out over 50 states, 25% of whome are gop, 30% dem, and oh by the eay, you also need different age groups.
Of course, this is a phone survey.
So you get your lists from whatever service you can afford and start calling. And calling. And calling.
You go through 1000 names trying to get someone who meets your needs to answer youf questions.
Who do you get? Who has time ro answer questions and answers calls they dont know?
That probably doesnt work on alot of young or working woman. You are much more likely to reach retired or traditional households.
That is the achiles heel of modern polling. Either people opt in, which means its not random, or the population is skewed.
Its more media fluffery than science these days. Or it is very expensive p2p in person polling.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)come through and say "spam alert" and I don't answer those either. I have actually never been polled in my life. However, I know very few white women who are pro-Trump and those who are are senior citizens like my mother and her friends (not all of them).
Kacy
(32 posts)Theyre Republicans. Whats hard to understand?
dewsgirl
(14,964 posts)Funtatlaguy
(11,878 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,848 posts)if he gets 42% of white women in 2020, he's pretty much doomed because I doubt he'll move the numbers much on African American or Hispanic women
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Black women and, to a slightly less degree, black men are voting against Trump in huge numbers, having to practically crawl through glass to do so. Meanwhile white men vote overwhelmingly for Trump and white women give them a major assist.
I guess another sign of white privilege is the freedom to vote irresponsibly, without caring how your vote affects other people, and then have minority voters get equal blame for your bad choices.
NewJeffCT
(56,848 posts)voted Trump specifically to hurt persons of color and/or LGBTQ people. Some even admitted that they knew Trump would screw them over, but that Trump would hurt "other people" even more.
The 11% drop overall, though, among white women is hopefully at least some of them coming to their senses.
MLAA
(19,745 posts)I converted my evangelical sister. But so many more racists left.
brush
(61,033 posts)Last edited Thu Dec 19, 2019, 08:13 PM - Edit history (1)
58Sunliner
(6,330 posts)fescuerescue
(4,475 posts)There are many Republicans who will vote for ANY Republican over a Democrat. Even if they don't approve of his performance.
It's really weird. They believe that ANY Republican is better than any Democrat. They are very tribal.
Wounded Bear
(64,324 posts)I'm more curious how 15% of black men can think Trump is some good kind of good idea.
tblue37
(68,436 posts)LeftInTX
(34,294 posts)I live in a Hispanic community and they aren't as anti-Trump as people imagine.
I remember one poll clerk who told me that Los Angeles was having mudslides due to people tunneling under the wall....She was Hispanic. They tend to be a fairly conservative group.
brush
(61,033 posts)the second highest and reliable demographic next to black women being against trump. Stacks up pretty well against all other male demographics whether it be white, hispanic, Asian or whatever.
That's really the way to look at it.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Not having the "both sides do it" argument here.
Like when people blame low black voter turnout for Hillary's loss, not only ignoring the unprecedented voter suppression, but once again, putting far too much responsibility on minority voters to rescue the majority from its stupid choices.
"Why didn't more black people try harder to come out to vote, so they could have offset the majority of white people who voted for Trump?" instead of "WTF's up with all those white people voting for Trump?"
brush
(61,033 posts)That's a sobering realization.
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)58Sunliner
(6,330 posts)26.5% of total eligible voters, voted for DT. So @ 16% of total eligible male voters, voted for DT. Do the math. How many were black, Asian, Latino...9% of black males who voted, voted for DT, 30% Latinos, same for Asians.
brush
(61,033 posts)All right, your point about voters is right but 2/3s of white men are repugs.
58Sunliner
(6,330 posts)Do you think 16% is significant? Cause what you might ask yourself is if only 26.5% of total eligible voters voted for DT, if that figure is accurate-and my bet is it is not, because Putin doesn't spend millions to hack voter systems and not have a guarantee of success, then what is significant? The rallies? Those are managed, manipulated. Why do protests by supporters of DT usually have only a handful, if that, of people? Is the illusion of his support manufactured?
The polls always mention repukes. Repukes make up @36% of all voters. So to tell me that 42% of all pukes still stand behind DT tells me that 42% of 37% is one sixth of all eligible voters in America. The real issues are not who supported him as much as how can we have fair elections and get that 42% of no-shows to vote. With the most critical being, how do we guarantee fair elections. This BS of pointing to data from a survey that does not say what the person on twitter has posted-check the links-is counter-productive. And then sitting back and watching people post false and misleading statements. We are supposed to be smarter and better. We are doing Putin's work for him.
brush
(61,033 posts)Thank God for 1/3 who aren't and help Dems get elected.
Wounded Bear
(64,324 posts)in their racist screeds.
We need to deal in facts. If they are "too hard" for you, too bad.
I'm a white male and I wouldn't vote for Trump if you held a gun to my head. I know several white males who think the same way. Give your 2/3rd bullshit a rest.
brush
(61,033 posts)Thank God for the 1/3 of white males who aren't rumpers and help Dems get elected.
Wounded Bear
(64,324 posts)Like I said, a pretty broad brush.
brush
(61,033 posts)part of the Dem coalition and we can't win without them, but you have to know as well as I do that the majority of whites are republicans. How else is trump in the White House?
Wounded Bear
(64,324 posts)Maybe because too many people, of all races, stayed home in 2016.
I'll grant a 'majority' perhaps, but not a super-majority of 2/3rds.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)58Sunliner
(6,330 posts)that does not contain the assertions that you are referencing? Did you even look at the actual survey?
58Sunliner
(6,330 posts)brush
(61,033 posts)You can't because they are. I'm just glad the rest aren't.
Did you watch the hearings? On the repug side they were all white males and 2 white women. Deal with reality.
58Sunliner
(6,330 posts)You have been trying to assert a fallacy. And if you looked at the simple statistics of R voters, total percent of population, how many voted in last pres election, you could see the reality. Sorry it does not fit you fantasy. The reps are not voted in by a majority. Look at voter turnout in those respective states. Math-so hard. For you.
brush
(61,033 posts)Think about it, the whole of the American system was set up by white males to benefit white males. Unfortunately for us others, more of them than not have concluded it is in their personal benefit to vote republican, the white peoples' party, in order to keep it that way.
We want most people to be altruistic and not selfish and transactional but it doesn't always work out that way.
Here's a quote from Michael Moore: "I refuse to participate in post-racial America, the Flint, MI native said. I refuse to say, Because we elected Obama that suddenly that means everythings OK, white people have changed. White people have not changed.
Two-thirds of all white guys voted for Trump, he said.
That means anytime you see three white guys walking at you, down the street toward you, two of them voted for Trump, he furthered.
Mariana
(15,626 posts)ritapria
(1,812 posts)are brainwashed by Mommy and Daddy to be Repubilcans and they simply can't overcome their upbringing .. They are hellbent to vote against their economic self interest Of course this ignorance today is now being reinforced by FOX NEWS , Hate Radio , the charleton " Christian " Evangelical TV preachers as well as the lunatic Trump .. We need more people to attend college ...That is the long term solution to the problem .. As for the short term , the voters representing the force of reason are simply going to have show up in huge numbers to overcome these ignorant and often racist masses .
RandiFan1290
(6,710 posts)hlthe2b
(113,971 posts)You have to scroll through to about page 10 and forward to see the cross tabs.
https://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2019/images/09/10/rel10a.-.trump.pdf
As to the findings for white women, the findings are the highest approval among non-college mid-age and older white women.
I fear it is what I've always found--that there is a generational effect with many middle-age and older white women voting/thinking in lockstep with their husbands. As a very independent woman, that has always been a bone of contention for me with family members and older friends. (and why I speak no politics with those with whom I still maintain relationships).
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)Let me disclaim first that I do realize that my observations are not a scientific representation, but purely observational of a sampling.
Just going off of social media observation, Texas seems to have a much larger percentage than 42%. I often combat trumphumpers on Facebook in the comments section of KHOU news stories. Something I have observed are the most vicious, rabid, and absolutely unwilling to consider any other point of view are white women by a pretty significant majority. If its in the comments of any story that mentions Trump at all, any of the main political policies like ACA or MFA, or Mayor Turners reelection here in Houston, and its very pro-trump.. its much more likely than not being posted by a white woman, followed by white males, followed by latino males.
Of those 3 demographics, as I look down the comments of these kinds of articles, I can also find a decent number of white males also posting anti-trump, and a large number of latino males posting anti trump, but there will only be a handful of white females posting anti Trump.
It baffles me.
Fritz Walter
(4,370 posts)That seems pretty high, from what I remember of my statistics class years ago.
I also wonder how this survey was conducted. By phone? How many thoughtful, intelligent people use Caller-ID to screen calls and therefore are eliminated from phone surveys? Wouldn't that tend to skew any phone survey results?
hlthe2b
(113,971 posts)and is extremely valid on the overall issues, but as you drill down for age and gender and race, the numbers get much smaller and thus the margin of error gets larger. Just basic statistics. That it is such a large poll overall is the ONLY reason they can do this amount of lower-level defined analysis.
gab13by13
(32,321 posts)do so many people go by polls? Polls are used for propaganda. Did you see the one poll out yesterday? 71% want Trump impeached, the poll right before it was 50%.
Stop believing in polls.
brush
(61,033 posts)He is sitting in the White House after all.
uponit7771
(93,532 posts)... at some point the M$M (emphasis on $ in this context) has to standardize and not trying to drive a narrative with polls like these.
I don't know why CNN even wasted their money on this shit
gab13by13
(32,321 posts)aren't also rigged? Polls are used for propaganda. There may be a few legits out there but there is no way to know which ones.
Gallup used to be considered one of the best, now it is certainly one of the worst.
uponit7771
(93,532 posts)... why even report on a 9.3% moe
getagrip_already
(17,802 posts)They hear. Especially in a news report or blog posting.
Thats a pretty significant number. Not.
hlthe2b
(113,971 posts)and the actual poll pdf that gives ALL the details post#11
brer cat
(27,587 posts)they love authoritarians, especially those who also reinforce their white superiority. Ask them how they voted and you will hear "we voted for trump." They are an extension of their fathers/husbands without an original thought of their own.
hlthe2b
(113,971 posts)magicarpet
(18,511 posts)You go to crowded areas to collect signatures and many women you approach say, "wait I can't sign that until I discuss it with my husband and see how he feels about that issue...." often they say this right in front of their daughters.
If they come back with their husbands and he is a Fascist and hates your political issue, the husbands become excessively rude, try to run you off, and threaten to cause you harm/injury. 2/3 of the wives stands back off to the side meek and demur, the other 1/3 egg him on and giggle at the fact you are being attacked by this rabid Nazi goon.
The church preaches that women should be subservient to men. Some women seem to think sure,... why not,... I'll just let my husband and Fux Nooz do all the heavy thinking and it simplifies my life. That way if/when he gets drunk he doesn't beat me up because I did something without getting his prior approval or go grab the 45 magnum and kill the whole family because something set him off into a fit of macho man toxic masculinity rage.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)very valid. I see it all the time..the husband calls the shots. Especially on a subject such as politics because the man knows more about such things.
I see anti-intellectualism as a big factor along with innate bigotry in the men. You know deep inside you are not as smart or as educated as the liberal intelligentsia. And along comes someone like trump who "wins" the presidency and he is not intelligent and he is bigoted. He becomes their idol.
All that said there are things about trump that even these people dislike. Democrats should focus on these things everyday. I know the treatment of kids at the border is one. If you look at poll trends over his term there are major dips in approval...what did he do then that turned people off?
sl8
(17,110 posts)CNN, September 59, 2019
http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2019/images/09/10/rel10a.-.trump.pdf
Wikipedia entry, with links to 2019 polls, by month:
2019 opinion polling on the Donald Trump administration
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_opinion_polling_on_the_Donald_Trump_administration
DFW
(60,186 posts)There were only interviews with a few European-American (to coin a phrase) women shown. While there were a couple of them that said trump deserved everything coming to him and more, there was interview with the local chapter of "Republican women of Wisconsin." It was in a comfortably appointed living room, with three middle-aged white women who had identical frowns on their faces, angrily declaring their opinion that Trump was the greatest president of their lifetimes.
Right. For them, the world ends 100 meters from their front doors.
brutus smith
(685 posts)Mariana
(15,626 posts)A lot of them are teaching outright that support for Trump is a essentially a tenet of the Christian faith, that God put Trump in office to implement His will, and that to oppose Trump is to go against God.
brutus smith
(685 posts)OnDoutside
(20,868 posts)on the airwaves on Irish and UK media is full of bothsidesism about the impeachment.
IronLionZion
(51,268 posts)Why do conservative women oppose feminism? They benefit from the patriarchy.
Trump's Hispanic supporters are mostly the white looking ones like Ted Cruz, who don't face as much discrimination as the brown ones.
Then there are issues like tax cuts and the propped up stock market. That's important to some people.
dalton99a
(94,117 posts)brush
(61,033 posts)with this factoid:
Thank you.
IronLionZion
(51,268 posts)People who have been lead to believe that Democrats are bad for business might vote GOP no matter how bad he his.
People who have been told Democrats encourage sinful behavior might support the sinful president because of his support from hypocritical religious conservatives. Some might find that more important than the racial and civil rights issues.
The Trump administration's propaganda arm has been sowing division through social media to encourage crab-barreling. Where wealthy minorities would want to stop the poorer ones from advancing their situation in life. The conservative mindset believes that for someone else to gain something, someone who has it must lose it.
LeftInTX
(34,294 posts)He's a perennial candidate who lives near me.

sinkingfeeling
(57,835 posts)samnsara
(18,767 posts)...ewwwwwww....
magicarpet
(18,511 posts)UpInArms
(54,983 posts)Who have been taught that their goal is to marry and have a man to rule the home
They follow blindly the words of evilangelical preachers and do not want to believe that all people are created equally...
They have baffled me for decades ... they oppose the ERA and all progressive thought
mercuryblues
(16,413 posts)In 2016 53% of white women voted for trump. The largest voting block. An 11% drop among them spells trouble for republicans.
Broken down, even more; 62% white working class women voted for trump in 2016. in a Quinnipiac poll that number has dropped to 47% that say they would definitely not vote for him. A 9% drop in the republicans most reliable voting block should reign in the misogyny, instead they double down.
https://www.alternet.org/2019/07/trump-is-losing-support-among-white-women/
mia
(8,480 posts)They approve of Trump because they cower beneath the bully mentality that characterizes their Trump-loving significant others. I haven't met a Republican male who didn't enjoy belittling women who don't agree with their politics. Trump is their idol. It's "Put up or shut up." Being around them is exhausting.
I suspect that many women in Republican circles are afraid to voice their opinions.
Trump controls the GOP legislators in much the same way.
blm
(114,658 posts)from them.
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)be glad its only 42%.
WhiskeyGrinder
(26,955 posts)the patriarchy. We've got a lot of work to do.
llmart
(17,617 posts)Why show this today of all days?
lark
(26,081 posts)All my life I've fought against the rednecks and religionists. I'm happy to say most of my friends get it and we are totally aligned against drumpf. I do have one friend raised repug and her dad was repug mayor. She supports drumpf, that's how brainwashed she is. She knows he's wrong on some things and will 100% turn against him if he cuts SS or Medicare. She hates Rick Scott for this and never once voted for him.
So frustrating that so many white women have been brainwashed by their families and churches and don't think. Yes, this is super common, especially here in the south, but it can be overcome. My sister and I both overcame our fundamentalist religious upbringing and make our own decisions. Some of my cousins have done the same. One of my most liberal cousins is 78.
Not at all happy that so many of my peers get it so wrong, but glad that more people are waking up. Just hope it's enough.
brush
(61,033 posts)LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)
The more things change, the more they stay the damn same....
dalton99a
(94,117 posts)for existing
Polybius
(21,900 posts)So 42% is below that, so that's not that bad.
Cosmocat
(15,424 posts)White men get a lot of shit over this, rightfully, but white women are the Robin to the White men's Batman in this situation, the affable tag alongs ...
I know a L O T of them - some are sad, angry types, but most of the are otherwise seemingly decent people, but as someone else noted, abortion and guns are BIG with them.
Can't tell you how many of this women have reposted fake memes about guns from George Washington or whoever, and when I matter of factly note he did not say it, they start up with the "well, it is the truth, so I don't care" thing ...
treestar
(82,383 posts)for him. Means he is losing some of them. Maybe 3 years of misogyny is enough for some, whereas the campaign was not.
MaryMagdaline
(7,964 posts)No excuses whatsoever.
treestar
(82,383 posts)That looks like a "5" covered with the marker.
LakeArenal
(29,949 posts)Submariner
(13,365 posts)their husband ORDERS them to vote for.
I can't seriously envision too many republican women proudly announcing their Hillary vote to their Trump loving husbands.
wryter2000
(47,940 posts)Still...
maxrandb
(17,428 posts)These are the same women that wear "Trump can grab my pussy anytime" T-Shirts, and would gladly deliver their teenage children to a sleepover hosted by Jeffrey Epstein and Donnie Short Fingers.
They deserve not one grain of empathy or understanding.
58Sunliner
(6,330 posts)Only reference to race is in respondents phoned for sampling.
From the SSRS website-
MORE ON METHODOLOGY
A total of 1,639 adults were interviewed by telephone nationwide by live interviewers calling both landline and cell
phones. Interviews were conducted in English and Spanish. Among the entire sample, 31% described themselves
as Democrats, 25% described themselves as Republicans, and 44% described themselves as independents or
members of another party.
All respondents were asked questions concerning basic demographics, and the entire sample was weighted to
reflect national Census figures for gender, race, age, education, region of country, and telephone usage.
Results for the full sample have a margin of sampling error of +/- 3.2 percentage points. For the sample of 1,526
registered voters it is +/- 3.2 percentage points. For the subset of 908 Democrats and Democratic-leaning
independents who are registered to vote, it is +/- 4.3 percentage points. For the subset of 693 white non-Hispanic
adults, it is +/- 4.3 percentage points. For the subset of 431 black non-Hispanic adults, it is +/- 7.3 percentage
points. For the subset of 387 Hispanic/Latino adults, it is +/- 7.3 percentage points.
Interviews were conducted among a representative sample of the adult population, age 18 or older, of the United
States. Members of demographic groups not shown in the published cross tabs are represented in the results for
each question in the poll. Cross tabs on the pages that follow only include results for subgroups with a minimum
n=125 unweighted cases. Results for subgroups with fewer than n=125 unweighted cases are not displayed and
instead are denoted with "SN" because samples of that size carry larger margins of error.
Unless you have a real link to a real poll-you should delete this post.
http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2019/images/09/10/rel10a.-.trump.pdf
Also from the SSRS website-https://ssrs.com/6-in-10-say-trump-does-not-deserve-a-second-term/
mcar
(46,056 posts)jalan48
(14,914 posts)drives an energy efficient car and donates money to environmental organizations. Her big driver though is money-if a politician supports cutting her taxes she's all in with that candidate. Even though she attended public schools she votes against school levies because she doesn't have children and doesn't see why she should have to pay for other people's kids. I think she's basically a selfish person.
WhiteTara
(31,260 posts)white women who get it; but 4 or 5 out of 10 who don't is depressing indeed. No wonder I have so few friends.
Generic Other
(29,080 posts)I don't have to be counted with that white group. 66% of Asian women disapprove of Trump.
sheshe2
(97,627 posts)Sorry.
I am appalled. 42%
MFM008
(20,042 posts)would NEVER vote for any republican EVER again, especially maggot.
Joinfortmill
(21,165 posts)She's a stealth racist.
Bettie
(19,704 posts)they tend to vote for who their husbands/fathers and ministers tell them to.
Greybnk48
(10,724 posts)The mouth breather, knuckle dragger, podunk (North), red-neck (South), sheet-wearing, sociopathic window lickers. You know the kind.
Zing Zing Zingbah
(6,496 posts)Just having the same skin color and gender isn't a big enough commonality for us to all be on board with anything. I have just in much in common with all white woman as I do with all green eyed people or all people who are 5'6". 42% support actually seems pretty low to me though because I think probably half of white women are Republican and that means he's turned off some of them. Your message isn't going to be seen by those 42% of white women that support Trump because I'm certain none of them come to this message board.