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StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 05:19 AM Dec 2019

C'mon white women. Really?




Not all white women, of course. The majority of white women obviously get it. I'm talking to the 42% who've obviously lost your damned minds.

Everyone's busy trying to save you and the world from the disaster you still support, so we don't have time to explain it to you again.

But just follow along with the black women and do what we do.
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C'mon white women. Really? (Original Post) StarfishSaver Dec 2019 OP
I can't believe it for a second. mahina Dec 2019 #1
I absolutely believe it Cosmocat Dec 2019 #20
"Most often their hook is religion" Martin Eden Dec 2019 #25
Christianity njhoneybadger Dec 2019 #39
Would Jesus recognize it as Christianity? Martin Eden Dec 2019 #40
Nope njhoneybadger Dec 2019 #42
I think Jesus would be slapping them silly StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #43
BWAHAHAHAHA!!!! A HERETIC I AM Dec 2019 #73
Irrelevant. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2019 #72
Nailed it A HERETIC I AM Dec 2019 #74
Back at ya, brosef Act_of_Reparation Dec 2019 #85
Jesus was unfamiliar with the concept of Christianity grantcart Dec 2019 #93
Honestly Cosmocat Dec 2019 #64
This poll is from SEPTEMBER! Which year was it? BigmanPigman Dec 2019 #2
Maybe 2019 Beringia Dec 2019 #62
I am as white as they come - and cannot explain it alittlelark Dec 2019 #3
I can explain it. They are the evangelical brain washed, overleft Dec 2019 #17
THIS Cosmocat Dec 2019 #21
"abortion and guns" Martin Eden Dec 2019 #27
Just like Obama said. They're clinging. dchill Dec 2019 #54
I think you could add LGBTQ to that list. walkingman Dec 2019 #55
Exactly, they are complacent about everything else treestar Dec 2019 #76
Three issues get the red out Dec 2019 #79
Yep. progressoid Dec 2019 #96
Why is everyone so surprised by this? Act_of_Reparation Dec 2019 #87
Anger over the second shift loyalsister Dec 2019 #94
Maybe they polled very few White Women? Pachamama Dec 2019 #4
Polling...... getagrip_already Dec 2019 #23
True, I never answer calls if I don't recognize the number and some of the calls even smirkymonkey Dec 2019 #49
They're not identifying with "white". Kacy Dec 2019 #5
.... dewsgirl Dec 2019 #6
Remember that he won 53% of white women in 2016. Funtatlaguy Dec 2019 #7
Yes - I was just about to point that out NewJeffCT Dec 2019 #47
As a black woman, this is SO frustrating StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #52
I think a lot of Trump voters NewJeffCT Dec 2019 #81
You are so right. I am ashamed to share the same color with these white women. MLAA Dec 2019 #82
Yes, there is hope. Fingers crossed. brush Dec 2019 #70
No he didn't. How could that be if only 26.5% of eligible voters, voted for DT? 58Sunliner Dec 2019 #91
but that's a much different metric fescuerescue Dec 2019 #97
It's probably the "Christian" effect in action... Wounded Bear Dec 2019 #8
Or 37% Hispanic men! nt tblue37 Dec 2019 #34
Yes and 23% Hispanic Women LeftInTX Dec 2019 #120
The converse of that is 85% of black men are anti-trump... brush Dec 2019 #36
Thank you StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #41
Yep. When I'm out in public 2/3s of the white males I see voted for trump. brush Dec 2019 #45
Sorry to say, it's impacted how I perceive whites, particularly older whites and white men Dream Girl Dec 2019 #59
No, 2/3's did not vote for DT. 42% did not vote. 58Sunliner Dec 2019 #98
And you don't think voters are a representation of the whole? brush Dec 2019 #99
The assertion was 2/3's. Why is math so hard? 58Sunliner Dec 2019 #100
Wordy, so wordy. Everyone knows most white males are repugs. brush Dec 2019 #101
And you're painting with the same kind of broad brush that RWers paint with... Wounded Bear Dec 2019 #108
Did you read this part of my post? brush Dec 2019 #110
Yes, I'm sure some of us are really fine people... Wounded Bear Dec 2019 #111
Come on. Deal with reality. Progressive whites are a big... brush Dec 2019 #112
How else is trump in the White House? Wounded Bear Dec 2019 #113
Both sides do it ... StarfishSaver Dec 2019 #116
Both sides do what? Post a twitter that supposedly refers to a survey- 58Sunliner Dec 2019 #119
Wordy? Is reading comprehension a problem? In addition to math? 58Sunliner Dec 2019 #118
Show us data that proves about 2/3 of white,male voters are not repugs. brush Dec 2019 #122
No-you show me the data that supports your assertion. It does not exist. 58Sunliner Dec 2019 #123
Hahahahahaha! Face it, it's true. Just thank God for the ones who aren't. brush Dec 2019 #124
Christianity probably is a factor for the 15% as well. nt. Mariana Dec 2019 #105
A lot of white people from both genders ritapria Dec 2019 #9
Does not surprise me at all. nt RandiFan1290 Dec 2019 #10
Abysmal: If you want to drill down into actual poll here it is. hlthe2b Dec 2019 #11
I wonder how those numbers also break down geographically. Amimnoch Dec 2019 #12
A 9.3% margin of error?!? Fritz Walter Dec 2019 #13
that is for the most defined cross-tabs. The overall poll has a very large sample size hlthe2b Dec 2019 #30
Why Why Why gab13by13 Dec 2019 #14
The polls on who voted for trump have proven to be accurate. brush Dec 2019 #63
*** THIS IS NOT A POLL *** Well, it's not a poll that should be reported on with a 9.3 MOE uponit7771 Dec 2019 #15
How do you know the other polls that claim lower MOE gab13by13 Dec 2019 #19
crosstabs, peer review etc. Here the "crosstab" data is glaring, shit they put it on the screen... uponit7771 Dec 2019 #26
Because 95% of people will believe any statistic.. getagrip_already Dec 2019 #29
NO. See my post # 30 hlthe2b Dec 2019 #31
Many white women are happily living in patriarchy; brer cat Dec 2019 #16
That is what I mentioned earlier as well. It is a generational remnant, but very strong still hlthe2b Dec 2019 #32
I collect signatures for citizen's initiatives to be placed on the ballot... magicarpet Dec 2019 #67
Interesting and if you have spent any time in a red state Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2019 #109
Links to this poll & others: sl8 Dec 2019 #18
The BBC sent one of their reporters to Racine, Wisconsin, recently, broadcast the report this week DFW Dec 2019 #22
Go to rural towns and you will see it's true. brutus smith Dec 2019 #24
Go to the Christian churches. Mariana Dec 2019 #106
Exactly! brutus smith Dec 2019 #117
I believe it. The polls have been pretty consistent. And the message OnDoutside Dec 2019 #28
They like white privilege and don't want to lose it IronLionZion Dec 2019 #33
+1 dalton99a Dec 2019 #50
IronLionZion, you explained a lot to me about the Hispanic trump voters... brush Dec 2019 #68
Also some are conservative on economic or social issues. IronLionZion Dec 2019 #80
Like this annoying guy who says immigrants bring diseases? LeftInTX Dec 2019 #121
Good question: why? sinkingfeeling Dec 2019 #35
they are the ones wearing the 'trump can grab my pussy shirts'... samnsara Dec 2019 #37
..... they must have swastikas tattooed on their milk duds. magicarpet Dec 2019 #71
There is a huge segment of white women UpInArms Dec 2019 #38
Let's put this in perspective mercuryblues Dec 2019 #44
Stockholm syndrome mia Dec 2019 #46
That's actually a big drop. Trump can't win with an 11% drop in support blm Dec 2019 #48
nothing prevents any white woman from being batshit crazy just becasue its woman and being white beachbumbob Dec 2019 #51
White supremacy is a hell of a drug. And white women have always been willing footsoldiers for WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2019 #53
Old poll. llmart Dec 2019 #56
Aarrgh, this is so frustrating. lark Dec 2019 #57
I'm with you, Lark. Thanks for sharing. brush Dec 2019 #65
Well...What's Different From Moments Like This..... LovingA2andMI Dec 2019 #58
+1. They're now calling 911 on minorities dalton99a Dec 2019 #69
Depending on FiveThirtyEight or RCP, his overall average is 43 or 44% Polybius Dec 2019 #60
Its horrible because it is by far his second biggest "base" Cosmocat Dec 2019 #66
It could be an improvement since 53% white women voted treestar Dec 2019 #77
White woman here MaryMagdaline Dec 2019 #61
White men are the only ones at 50% or more treestar Dec 2019 #75
None of them here. LakeArenal Dec 2019 #78
I bet most of the white women polled vote for whoever Submariner Dec 2019 #83
It's down from the number who voted for him wryter2000 Dec 2019 #84
Those numbers are actually pretty good considering that... maxrandb Dec 2019 #86
I don't see any race reference by sex etc.., in the CNN link to poll- 58Sunliner Dec 2019 #88
So embarassing mcar Dec 2019 #89
I work with a "white woman" who's liberal in many ways; she volunteers at the local animal shelter, jalan48 Dec 2019 #90
thank the Goddess that there are more WhiteTara Dec 2019 #92
One of those times being mixed race is a blessing Generic Other Dec 2019 #95
White. sheshe2 Dec 2019 #102
white here MFM008 Dec 2019 #103
A former friend of mine is a Trump voter Joinfortmill Dec 2019 #104
Evangelicals Bettie Dec 2019 #107
To stay in the good graces of their white husbands and boyfriends. Greybnk48 Dec 2019 #114
Speaking as white woman... we aren't a cohesive group Zing Zing Zingbah Dec 2019 #115

Cosmocat

(15,424 posts)
20. I absolutely believe it
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 07:45 AM
Dec 2019

I know countless white woman who are strident consevatices, therefore love the POS. Most often their hook is religion.

A few days ago I had a go round w a couple from HS where one posted a fake George Washington meme about guns, I simply noted he didn't say that, anx they started with the "it still is a thought to consider, well the fake news, etc. bullshit.

I have had this same scenatio play out w other ones before. Honestly, outside of the white women I know from being politically active, of the white women I know, a clear majority are conservative.

Martin Eden

(15,628 posts)
25. "Most often their hook is religion"
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 07:59 AM
Dec 2019

What kind of religion engenders love for a totally amoral POS who is a hellish example of what Jesus tried teaching us NOT to be?

Martin Eden

(15,628 posts)
40. Would Jesus recognize it as Christianity?
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 09:15 AM
Dec 2019

I seem to recall something about helping the poor & sick, welcoming the stranger, and turning the tables on the money changers in the temple.

njhoneybadger

(3,911 posts)
42. Nope
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 09:31 AM
Dec 2019

21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
72. Irrelevant.
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 11:31 AM
Dec 2019

If Jesus is upset with the way Christianity turned out, he should have made a stronger effort to define it.

As it stands, Christianity is what Christians do.

And it ain't pretty.

Beringia

(5,507 posts)
62. Maybe 2019
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 10:54 AM
Dec 2019



I found this poll, it breaks it down for race and women/men, but I don't see it broken down by race in combination with gender.


https://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2019/images/09/10/rel10a.-.trump.pdf

alittlelark

(19,139 posts)
3. I am as white as they come - and cannot explain it
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 05:29 AM
Dec 2019

Seriously, I cannot. I have had a few ppl tell me that 'it's just the way it is' I take some solace in the fact that younger white women are 'getting it'.

overleft

(404 posts)
17. I can explain it. They are the evangelical brain washed,
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 07:29 AM
Dec 2019

These people only see two issues: abortion and guns,

Martin Eden

(15,628 posts)
27. "abortion and guns"
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 08:02 AM
Dec 2019

It finally makes sense to me -- forcing women to give birth provides more targets for school shootings!

dchill

(42,660 posts)
54. Just like Obama said. They're clinging.
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 10:29 AM
Dec 2019

What kind of gun would Jesus conceal and carry?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
76. Exactly, they are complacent about everything else
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 11:36 AM
Dec 2019

and only those two issues matter; the rest of Republicans' acts do not concern them in the least; they figure if they get the SCOTUS they want, abortion will be overturned. Then they can start worrying about kids after they are born

progressoid

(53,179 posts)
96. Yep.
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 02:02 PM
Dec 2019

Their view of America doesn't include all these non-white people getting the perks they've enjoyed their whole life.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
87. Why is everyone so surprised by this?
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 12:10 PM
Dec 2019

I mean, I get where you're coming from. I'm white. I'm liberal. We ain't all bad, obviously.

But being surprised by the numbers... don't y'all ever go outside?

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
94. Anger over the second shift
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 01:09 PM
Dec 2019

And the same subtle racist stand by your privilege campaigns have been effective in convincing white women to support policies and politicians against their interest for a very long time. There were white women who opposed the 19th Amendment. Phyllis Shafley and Ann Coulter had mentors.

getagrip_already

(17,802 posts)
23. Polling......
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 07:58 AM
Dec 2019

So you have a limited budget and a tight schedule, and your glorious statistician says you need to find 254 white woman spread out over 50 states, 25% of whome are gop, 30% dem, and oh by the eay, you also need different age groups.

Of course, this is a phone survey.

So you get your lists from whatever service you can afford and start calling. And calling. And calling.

You go through 1000 names trying to get someone who meets your needs to answer youf questions.

Who do you get? Who has time ro answer questions and answers calls they dont know?

That probably doesnt work on alot of young or working woman. You are much more likely to reach retired or traditional households.

That is the achiles heel of modern polling. Either people opt in, which means its not random, or the population is skewed.

Its more media fluffery than science these days. Or it is very expensive p2p in person polling.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
49. True, I never answer calls if I don't recognize the number and some of the calls even
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 10:22 AM
Dec 2019

come through and say "spam alert" and I don't answer those either. I have actually never been polled in my life. However, I know very few white women who are pro-Trump and those who are are senior citizens like my mother and her friends (not all of them).

NewJeffCT

(56,848 posts)
47. Yes - I was just about to point that out
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 09:58 AM
Dec 2019

if he gets 42% of white women in 2020, he's pretty much doomed because I doubt he'll move the numbers much on African American or Hispanic women

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
52. As a black woman, this is SO frustrating
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 10:28 AM
Dec 2019

Black women and, to a slightly less degree, black men are voting against Trump in huge numbers, having to practically crawl through glass to do so. Meanwhile white men vote overwhelmingly for Trump and white women give them a major assist.

I guess another sign of white privilege is the freedom to vote irresponsibly, without caring how your vote affects other people, and then have minority voters get equal blame for your bad choices.

NewJeffCT

(56,848 posts)
81. I think a lot of Trump voters
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 11:45 AM
Dec 2019

voted Trump specifically to hurt persons of color and/or LGBTQ people. Some even admitted that they knew Trump would screw them over, but that Trump would hurt "other people" even more.

The 11% drop overall, though, among white women is hopefully at least some of them coming to their senses.

MLAA

(19,745 posts)
82. You are so right. I am ashamed to share the same color with these white women.
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 11:45 AM
Dec 2019

I converted my evangelical sister. But so many more racists left.

58Sunliner

(6,330 posts)
91. No he didn't. How could that be if only 26.5% of eligible voters, voted for DT?
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 12:23 PM
Dec 2019
Of that 26.5% most were male. Best guess-11% of total white women eligible voters, voted for DT. Actually, more white women voted for Hillary. 42% of eligible voters, did not vote. Do the math.

fescuerescue

(4,475 posts)
97. but that's a much different metric
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 02:55 PM
Dec 2019

There are many Republicans who will vote for ANY Republican over a Democrat. Even if they don't approve of his performance.

It's really weird. They believe that ANY Republican is better than any Democrat. They are very tribal.

Wounded Bear

(64,324 posts)
8. It's probably the "Christian" effect in action...
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 06:19 AM
Dec 2019

I'm more curious how 15% of black men can think Trump is some good kind of good idea.

LeftInTX

(34,294 posts)
120. Yes and 23% Hispanic Women
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 02:28 AM
Dec 2019

I live in a Hispanic community and they aren't as anti-Trump as people imagine.

I remember one poll clerk who told me that Los Angeles was having mudslides due to people tunneling under the wall....She was Hispanic. They tend to be a fairly conservative group.

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
36. The converse of that is 85% of black men are anti-trump...
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 08:21 AM
Dec 2019

the second highest and reliable demographic next to black women being against trump. Stacks up pretty well against all other male demographics whether it be white, hispanic, Asian or whatever.

That's really the way to look at it.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
41. Thank you
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 09:27 AM
Dec 2019

Not having the "both sides do it" argument here.

Like when people blame low black voter turnout for Hillary's loss, not only ignoring the unprecedented voter suppression, but once again, putting far too much responsibility on minority voters to rescue the majority from its stupid choices.

"Why didn't more black people try harder to come out to vote, so they could have offset the majority of white people who voted for Trump?" instead of "WTF's up with all those white people voting for Trump?"

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
45. Yep. When I'm out in public 2/3s of the white males I see voted for trump.
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 09:44 AM
Dec 2019

That's a sobering realization.

 

Dream Girl

(5,111 posts)
59. Sorry to say, it's impacted how I perceive whites, particularly older whites and white men
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 10:42 AM
Dec 2019

58Sunliner

(6,330 posts)
98. No, 2/3's did not vote for DT. 42% did not vote.
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 12:40 AM
Dec 2019

26.5% of total eligible voters, voted for DT. So @ 16% of total eligible male voters, voted for DT. Do the math. How many were black, Asian, Latino...9% of black males who voted, voted for DT, 30% Latinos, same for Asians.

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
99. And you don't think voters are a representation of the whole?
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 12:46 AM
Dec 2019

All right, your point about voters is right but 2/3s of white men are repugs.

58Sunliner

(6,330 posts)
100. The assertion was 2/3's. Why is math so hard?
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 01:16 AM
Dec 2019

Do you think 16% is significant? Cause what you might ask yourself is if only 26.5% of total eligible voters voted for DT, if that figure is accurate-and my bet is it is not, because Putin doesn't spend millions to hack voter systems and not have a guarantee of success, then what is significant? The rallies? Those are managed, manipulated. Why do protests by supporters of DT usually have only a handful, if that, of people? Is the illusion of his support manufactured?
The polls always mention repukes. Repukes make up @36% of all voters. So to tell me that 42% of all pukes still stand behind DT tells me that 42% of 37% is one sixth of all eligible voters in America. The real issues are not who supported him as much as how can we have fair elections and get that 42% of no-shows to vote. With the most critical being, how do we guarantee fair elections. This BS of pointing to data from a survey that does not say what the person on twitter has posted-check the links-is counter-productive. And then sitting back and watching people post false and misleading statements. We are supposed to be smarter and better. We are doing Putin's work for him.

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
101. Wordy, so wordy. Everyone knows most white males are repugs.
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 01:27 AM
Dec 2019

Thank God for 1/3 who aren't and help Dems get elected.

Wounded Bear

(64,324 posts)
108. And you're painting with the same kind of broad brush that RWers paint with...
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 10:00 AM
Dec 2019

in their racist screeds.

We need to deal in facts. If they are "too hard" for you, too bad.

I'm a white male and I wouldn't vote for Trump if you held a gun to my head. I know several white males who think the same way. Give your 2/3rd bullshit a rest.

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
110. Did you read this part of my post?
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 12:17 PM
Dec 2019

Thank God for the 1/3 of white males who aren't rumpers and help Dems get elected.

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
112. Come on. Deal with reality. Progressive whites are a big...
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 12:40 PM
Dec 2019

part of the Dem coalition and we can't win without them, but you have to know as well as I do that the majority of whites are republicans. How else is trump in the White House?

Wounded Bear

(64,324 posts)
113. How else is trump in the White House?
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 12:44 PM
Dec 2019

Maybe because too many people, of all races, stayed home in 2016.

I'll grant a 'majority' perhaps, but not a super-majority of 2/3rds.

58Sunliner

(6,330 posts)
119. Both sides do what? Post a twitter that supposedly refers to a survey-
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 01:32 AM
Dec 2019

that does not contain the assertions that you are referencing? Did you even look at the actual survey?

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
122. Show us data that proves about 2/3 of white,male voters are not repugs.
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 03:50 AM
Dec 2019

You can't because they are. I'm just glad the rest aren't.

Did you watch the hearings? On the repug side they were all white males and 2 white women. Deal with reality.

58Sunliner

(6,330 posts)
123. No-you show me the data that supports your assertion. It does not exist.
Sun Dec 29, 2019, 12:33 PM
Dec 2019

You have been trying to assert a fallacy. And if you looked at the simple statistics of R voters, total percent of population, how many voted in last pres election, you could see the reality. Sorry it does not fit you fantasy. The reps are not voted in by a majority. Look at voter turnout in those respective states. Math-so hard. For you.

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
124. Hahahahahaha! Face it, it's true. Just thank God for the ones who aren't.
Sun Dec 29, 2019, 12:36 PM
Dec 2019

Think about it, the whole of the American system was set up by white males to benefit white males. Unfortunately for us others, more of them than not have concluded it is in their personal benefit to vote republican, the white peoples' party, in order to keep it that way.

We want most people to be altruistic and not selfish and transactional but it doesn't always work out that way.

Here's a quote from Michael Moore: "I refuse to participate in post-racial America,” the Flint, MI native said. “I refuse to say, ‘Because we elected Obama that suddenly that means everything’s OK, white people have changed.’ White people have not changed.”

“Two-thirds of all white guys voted for Trump,” he said.

“That means anytime you see three white guys walking at you, down the street toward you, two of them voted for Trump,” he furthered.

 

ritapria

(1,812 posts)
9. A lot of white people from both genders
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 06:36 AM
Dec 2019

are brainwashed by Mommy and Daddy to be Repubilcans and they simply can't overcome their upbringing .. They are hellbent to vote against their economic self interest … Of course this ignorance today is now being reinforced by FOX NEWS , Hate Radio , the charleton " Christian " Evangelical TV preachers as well as the lunatic Trump …….. We need more people to attend college ...That is the long term solution to the problem .. As for the short term , the voters representing the force of reason are simply going to have show up in huge numbers to overcome these ignorant and often racist masses …….

hlthe2b

(113,971 posts)
11. Abysmal: If you want to drill down into actual poll here it is.
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 07:05 AM
Dec 2019

You have to scroll through to about page 10 and forward to see the cross tabs.
https://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2019/images/09/10/rel10a.-.trump.pdf

As to the findings for white women, the findings are the highest approval among non-college mid-age and older white women.

I fear it is what I've always found--that there is a generational effect with many middle-age and older white women voting/thinking in lockstep with their husbands. As a very independent woman, that has always been a bone of contention for me with family members and older friends. (and why I speak no politics with those with whom I still maintain relationships).

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
12. I wonder how those numbers also break down geographically.
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 07:07 AM
Dec 2019

Let me disclaim first that I do realize that my observations are not a scientific representation, but purely observational of a sampling.

Just going off of social media observation, Texas seems to have a much larger percentage than 42%. I often combat trumphumpers on Facebook in the comments section of KHOU news stories. Something I have observed are the most vicious, rabid, and absolutely unwilling to consider any other point of view are white women by a pretty significant majority. If it’s in the comments of any story that mentions Trump at all, any of the main political policies like ACA or MFA, or Mayor Turners reelection here in Houston, and it’s very pro-trump.. it’s much more likely than not being posted by a white woman, followed by white males, followed by latino males.

Of those 3 demographics, as I look down the comments of these kinds of articles, I can also find a decent number of white males also posting anti-trump, and a large number of latino males posting anti trump, but there will only be a handful of white females posting anti Trump.

It baffles me.

Fritz Walter

(4,370 posts)
13. A 9.3% margin of error?!?
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 07:07 AM
Dec 2019

That seems pretty high, from what I remember of my statistics class years ago.

I also wonder how this survey was conducted. By phone? How many thoughtful, intelligent people use Caller-ID to screen calls and therefore are eliminated from phone surveys? Wouldn't that tend to skew any phone survey results?

hlthe2b

(113,971 posts)
30. that is for the most defined cross-tabs. The overall poll has a very large sample size
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 08:06 AM
Dec 2019

and is extremely valid on the overall issues, but as you drill down for age and gender and race, the numbers get much smaller and thus the margin of error gets larger. Just basic statistics. That it is such a large poll overall is the ONLY reason they can do this amount of lower-level defined analysis.

gab13by13

(32,321 posts)
14. Why Why Why
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 07:16 AM
Dec 2019

do so many people go by polls? Polls are used for propaganda. Did you see the one poll out yesterday? 71% want Trump impeached, the poll right before it was 50%.

Stop believing in polls.

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
63. The polls on who voted for trump have proven to be accurate.
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 10:57 AM
Dec 2019

He is sitting in the White House after all.

uponit7771

(93,532 posts)
15. *** THIS IS NOT A POLL *** Well, it's not a poll that should be reported on with a 9.3 MOE
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 07:17 AM
Dec 2019

... at some point the M$M (emphasis on $ in this context) has to standardize and not trying to drive a narrative with polls like these.

I don't know why CNN even wasted their money on this shit

gab13by13

(32,321 posts)
19. How do you know the other polls that claim lower MOE
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 07:37 AM
Dec 2019

aren't also rigged? Polls are used for propaganda. There may be a few legits out there but there is no way to know which ones.

Gallup used to be considered one of the best, now it is certainly one of the worst.

uponit7771

(93,532 posts)
26. crosstabs, peer review etc. Here the "crosstab" data is glaring, shit they put it on the screen...
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 08:02 AM
Dec 2019

... why even report on a 9.3% moe

getagrip_already

(17,802 posts)
29. Because 95% of people will believe any statistic..
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 08:05 AM
Dec 2019

They hear. Especially in a news report or blog posting.

Thats a pretty significant number. Not.

brer cat

(27,587 posts)
16. Many white women are happily living in patriarchy;
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 07:17 AM
Dec 2019

they love authoritarians, especially those who also reinforce their white superiority. Ask them how they voted and you will hear "we voted for trump." They are an extension of their fathers/husbands without an original thought of their own.

hlthe2b

(113,971 posts)
32. That is what I mentioned earlier as well. It is a generational remnant, but very strong still
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 08:08 AM
Dec 2019

magicarpet

(18,511 posts)
67. I collect signatures for citizen's initiatives to be placed on the ballot...
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 11:16 AM
Dec 2019

You go to crowded areas to collect signatures and many women you approach say, "wait I can't sign that until I discuss it with my husband and see how he feels about that issue...." often they say this right in front of their daughters.

If they come back with their husbands and he is a Fascist and hates your political issue, the husbands become excessively rude, try to run you off, and threaten to cause you harm/injury. 2/3 of the wives stands back off to the side meek and demur, the other 1/3 egg him on and giggle at the fact you are being attacked by this rabid Nazi goon.

The church preaches that women should be subservient to men. Some women seem to think sure,... why not,... I'll just let my husband and Fux Nooz do all the heavy thinking and it simplifies my life. That way if/when he gets drunk he doesn't beat me up because I did something without getting his prior approval or go grab the 45 magnum and kill the whole family because something set him off into a fit of macho man toxic masculinity rage.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
109. Interesting and if you have spent any time in a red state
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 10:23 AM
Dec 2019

very valid. I see it all the time..the husband calls the shots. Especially on a subject such as politics because the man knows more about such things.

I see anti-intellectualism as a big factor along with innate bigotry in the men. You know deep inside you are not as smart or as educated as the liberal intelligentsia. And along comes someone like trump who "wins" the presidency and he is not intelligent and he is bigoted. He becomes their idol.

All that said there are things about trump that even these people dislike. Democrats should focus on these things everyday. I know the treatment of kids at the border is one. If you look at poll trends over his term there are major dips in approval...what did he do then that turned people off?

DFW

(60,186 posts)
22. The BBC sent one of their reporters to Racine, Wisconsin, recently, broadcast the report this week
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 07:47 AM
Dec 2019

There were only interviews with a few European-American (to coin a phrase) women shown. While there were a couple of them that said trump deserved everything coming to him and more, there was interview with the local chapter of "Republican women of Wisconsin." It was in a comfortably appointed living room, with three middle-aged white women who had identical frowns on their faces, angrily declaring their opinion that Trump was the greatest president of their lifetimes.

Right. For them, the world ends 100 meters from their front doors.

Mariana

(15,626 posts)
106. Go to the Christian churches.
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 09:20 AM
Dec 2019

A lot of them are teaching outright that support for Trump is a essentially a tenet of the Christian faith, that God put Trump in office to implement His will, and that to oppose Trump is to go against God.

OnDoutside

(20,868 posts)
28. I believe it. The polls have been pretty consistent. And the message
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 08:04 AM
Dec 2019

on the airwaves on Irish and UK media is full of bothsidesism about the impeachment.

IronLionZion

(51,268 posts)
33. They like white privilege and don't want to lose it
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 08:14 AM
Dec 2019

Why do conservative women oppose feminism? They benefit from the patriarchy.

Trump's Hispanic supporters are mostly the white looking ones like Ted Cruz, who don't face as much discrimination as the brown ones.

Then there are issues like tax cuts and the propped up stock market. That's important to some people.

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
68. IronLionZion, you explained a lot to me about the Hispanic trump voters...
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 11:17 AM
Dec 2019

with this factoid:

Trump's Hispanic supporters are mostly the white looking ones like Ted Cruz, who don't face as much discrimination as the brown ones.


Thank you.

IronLionZion

(51,268 posts)
80. Also some are conservative on economic or social issues.
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 11:44 AM
Dec 2019

People who have been lead to believe that Democrats are bad for business might vote GOP no matter how bad he his.

People who have been told Democrats encourage sinful behavior might support the sinful president because of his support from hypocritical religious conservatives. Some might find that more important than the racial and civil rights issues.

The Trump administration's propaganda arm has been sowing division through social media to encourage crab-barreling. Where wealthy minorities would want to stop the poorer ones from advancing their situation in life. The conservative mindset believes that for someone else to gain something, someone who has it must lose it.

LeftInTX

(34,294 posts)
121. Like this annoying guy who says immigrants bring diseases?
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 02:33 AM
Dec 2019

He's a perennial candidate who lives near me.

UpInArms

(54,983 posts)
38. There is a huge segment of white women
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 08:52 AM
Dec 2019

Who have been taught that their goal is to marry and have a man to rule the home

They follow blindly the words of evilangelical preachers and do not want to believe that all people are created equally...

They have baffled me for decades ... they oppose the ERA and all progressive thought

mercuryblues

(16,413 posts)
44. Let's put this in perspective
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 09:43 AM
Dec 2019

In 2016 53% of white women voted for trump. The largest voting block. An 11% drop among them spells trouble for republicans.

Broken down, even more; 62% white working class women voted for trump in 2016. in a Quinnipiac poll that number has dropped to 47% that say they would definitely not vote for him. A 9% drop in the republicans most reliable voting block should reign in the misogyny, instead they double down.


https://www.alternet.org/2019/07/trump-is-losing-support-among-white-women/

mia

(8,480 posts)
46. Stockholm syndrome
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 09:51 AM
Dec 2019

They approve of Trump because they cower beneath the bully mentality that characterizes their Trump-loving significant others. I haven't met a Republican male who didn't enjoy belittling women who don't agree with their politics. Trump is their idol. It's "Put up or shut up." Being around them is exhausting.

I suspect that many women in Republican circles are afraid to voice their opinions.

Trump controls the GOP legislators in much the same way.

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
51. nothing prevents any white woman from being batshit crazy just becasue its woman and being white
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 10:27 AM
Dec 2019

be glad its only 42%.

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,955 posts)
53. White supremacy is a hell of a drug. And white women have always been willing footsoldiers for
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 10:28 AM
Dec 2019

the patriarchy. We've got a lot of work to do.

lark

(26,081 posts)
57. Aarrgh, this is so frustrating.
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 10:39 AM
Dec 2019

All my life I've fought against the rednecks and religionists. I'm happy to say most of my friends get it and we are totally aligned against drumpf. I do have one friend raised repug and her dad was repug mayor. She supports drumpf, that's how brainwashed she is. She knows he's wrong on some things and will 100% turn against him if he cuts SS or Medicare. She hates Rick Scott for this and never once voted for him.

So frustrating that so many white women have been brainwashed by their families and churches and don't think. Yes, this is super common, especially here in the south, but it can be overcome. My sister and I both overcame our fundamentalist religious upbringing and make our own decisions. Some of my cousins have done the same. One of my most liberal cousins is 78.

Not at all happy that so many of my peers get it so wrong, but glad that more people are waking up. Just hope it's enough.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
58. Well...What's Different From Moments Like This.....
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 10:41 AM
Dec 2019


The more things change, the more they stay the damn same....

Polybius

(21,900 posts)
60. Depending on FiveThirtyEight or RCP, his overall average is 43 or 44%
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 10:42 AM
Dec 2019

So 42% is below that, so that's not that bad.

Cosmocat

(15,424 posts)
66. Its horrible because it is by far his second biggest "base"
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 11:13 AM
Dec 2019

White men get a lot of shit over this, rightfully, but white women are the Robin to the White men's Batman in this situation, the affable tag alongs ...

I know a L O T of them - some are sad, angry types, but most of the are otherwise seemingly decent people, but as someone else noted, abortion and guns are BIG with them.

Can't tell you how many of this women have reposted fake memes about guns from George Washington or whoever, and when I matter of factly note he did not say it, they start up with the "well, it is the truth, so I don't care" thing ...

treestar

(82,383 posts)
77. It could be an improvement since 53% white women voted
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 11:36 AM
Dec 2019

for him. Means he is losing some of them. Maybe 3 years of misogyny is enough for some, whereas the campaign was not.

Submariner

(13,365 posts)
83. I bet most of the white women polled vote for whoever
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 11:51 AM
Dec 2019

their husband ORDERS them to vote for.

I can't seriously envision too many republican women proudly announcing their Hillary vote to their Trump loving husbands.

maxrandb

(17,428 posts)
86. Those numbers are actually pretty good considering that...
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 12:10 PM
Dec 2019
52% of white women voted for this prick in 2016

These are the same women that wear "Trump can grab my pussy anytime" T-Shirts, and would gladly deliver their teenage children to a sleepover hosted by Jeffrey Epstein and Donnie Short Fingers.

They deserve not one grain of empathy or understanding.

58Sunliner

(6,330 posts)
88. I don't see any race reference by sex etc.., in the CNN link to poll-
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 12:12 PM
Dec 2019

Only reference to race is in respondents phoned for sampling.
From the SSRS website-


MORE ON METHODOLOGY

A total of 1,639 adults were interviewed by telephone nationwide by live interviewers calling both landline and cell
phones. Interviews were conducted in English and Spanish. Among the entire sample, 31% described themselves
as Democrats, 25% described themselves as Republicans, and 44% described themselves as independents or
members of another party.
All respondents were asked questions concerning basic demographics, and the entire sample was weighted to
reflect national Census figures for gender, race, age, education, region of country, and telephone usage.
Results for the full sample have a margin of sampling error of +/- 3.2 percentage points. For the sample of 1,526
registered voters it is +/- 3.2 percentage points. For the subset of 908 Democrats and Democratic-leaning
independents who are registered to vote, it is +/- 4.3 percentage points. For the subset of 693 white non-Hispanic
adults, it is +/- 4.3 percentage points. For the subset of 431 black non-Hispanic adults, it is +/- 7.3 percentage
points. For the subset of 387 Hispanic/Latino adults, it is +/- 7.3 percentage points.
Interviews were conducted among a representative sample of the adult population, age 18 or older, of the United
States. Members of demographic groups not shown in the published cross tabs are represented in the results for
each question in the poll. Cross tabs on the pages that follow only include results for subgroups with a minimum
n=125 unweighted cases. Results for subgroups with fewer than n=125 unweighted cases are not displayed and
instead are denoted with "SN" because samples of that size carry larger margins of error.
Unless you have a real link to a real poll-you should delete this post.
http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2019/images/09/10/rel10a.-.trump.pdf
Also from the SSRS website-https://ssrs.com/6-in-10-say-trump-does-not-deserve-a-second-term/

jalan48

(14,914 posts)
90. I work with a "white woman" who's liberal in many ways; she volunteers at the local animal shelter,
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 12:22 PM
Dec 2019

drives an energy efficient car and donates money to environmental organizations. Her big driver though is money-if a politician supports cutting her taxes she's all in with that candidate. Even though she attended public schools she votes against school levies because she doesn't have children and doesn't see why she should have to pay for other people's kids. I think she's basically a selfish person.

WhiteTara

(31,260 posts)
92. thank the Goddess that there are more
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 12:31 PM
Dec 2019

white women who get it; but 4 or 5 out of 10 who don't is depressing indeed. No wonder I have so few friends.

Generic Other

(29,080 posts)
95. One of those times being mixed race is a blessing
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 01:44 PM
Dec 2019

I don't have to be counted with that white group. 66% of Asian women disapprove of Trump.

Bettie

(19,704 posts)
107. Evangelicals
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 09:57 AM
Dec 2019

they tend to vote for who their husbands/fathers and ministers tell them to.

Greybnk48

(10,724 posts)
114. To stay in the good graces of their white husbands and boyfriends.
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 12:47 PM
Dec 2019

The mouth breather, knuckle dragger, podunk (North), red-neck (South), sheet-wearing, sociopathic window lickers. You know the kind.

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
115. Speaking as white woman... we aren't a cohesive group
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 12:50 PM
Dec 2019

Just having the same skin color and gender isn't a big enough commonality for us to all be on board with anything. I have just in much in common with all white woman as I do with all green eyed people or all people who are 5'6". 42% support actually seems pretty low to me though because I think probably half of white women are Republican and that means he's turned off some of them. Your message isn't going to be seen by those 42% of white women that support Trump because I'm certain none of them come to this message board.

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