BREAKING: House beginning Impeachment Rule debate...

[brooklynite]

[BumRushDaShow]

1. 1 hour of debate (equally divided) for the Rule that will govern the final debate criteria

The Rule being debated - https://rules.house.gov/sites/democrats.rules.house.gov/files/Rule_HRES755.pdf

[Mersky]

2. Was quite a moment hearing the title of the res read on the House floor

[BumRushDaShow]

3. I caught it right before I had to go out and run some errands

Listened while in the car and am back now!

(McGovern giving closing remarks for the rule debate)

[Mersky]

5. I could hardly sleep last night, lol.

Have been clinging to the coffee mug for dear life as the republicans continue with their charades and delays this morning.

Gotta feed the critters then I'll prolly find myself compelled to comment. I just can't help it at a point. Am very pleased I was able to make arrangements to have free time today and tomorrow, phew.

Is good to see you in here

[BumRushDaShow]

6. LOL

You and one of my cousins. She was texting early this morning jumping up and down.

It's gonna be a long long day because it will be the full blown 3-ring circus from the GOP side plus CSPAN indicated that they plan to introduce all kinds of delaying motions - mostly motions to adjourn - all day long (meaning recorded votes for each time they do this).

Good to see you around too!!

[Mersky]

7. Yeah, am getting my game plan together

Looking for especially good or foul moments. Was surprised by the amount of rehash that went on in the Rules Cmte yesterday.

Am gonna have to pace myself, somehow, lol.



(on the gross end of things has been cole (R-OK) saying they are violently opposed to the process. Abhorrent language choice, that's gonna make me break out a copy of the Constitution. I really hope there isn't more of that type speech, and I'm unsure how to make comment on it. Am thinking.)

[BumRushDaShow]

8. At least Cole was not flailing around like GYMSUIT OR GRAETZ

He and Burgess are some of the original crazies who eventually became the "elder" teabaggers of the GOP but they are not hyperactive like some of the others that we have seen prominently out there (including Collins - who even got a dig from Raskin yesterday about how fast he talks ).

[Mersky]

10. Ha, points taken. Elder teabaggers, bwah!

And then there’s, collins, becoming over-exercised about time keeping tools: clocks and calendars.

[BumRushDaShow]

12. They were extreme conservative loons before 2010

brought about the teabaggers and their "Freedom Caucus".

Another "elder" just got done talking right now - Sensenbrenner.

[Mersky]

15. Yeah, I remember those days.

At that time, I tracked Dem members more closely than the republicans. I mean, there’s plenty of characters on the right I’ve known for years. Somehow, the portly burgess slipped by my awareness. Might be because I thought they’d cause damage to the nation, but really didn’t foresee how far they would go to undermine our institutions and Constitution.

[BumRushDaShow]

17. Burgess was usually on Energy and Commerce

And I believe was Ranking member when Dingell and Waxman were Chairs.

[Mersky]

19. Okay, I appreciate the background

I saw the shenanigans coming from the naming of the patriot act, but that it snowballed to the tea party, and now this? I just wish I’d seen it coming, and did more to pushback than I did (which I was fairly engaged, really).

Is astoundingly awful what the republicans are doing.

[BumRushDaShow]

20. I worked for the federal government for 30+ years before retiring

so I got into the habit of watching the hearings when I could (thank goodness for CSPAN) - particularly those that dealt with funding for my agency and any new mandates!

[Mersky]

24. I dated someone on a colligate debate team for three years,

and I've never been the same since (in a good way). I've spent a fair amount of time watching C-SPAN, and for that matter, UK parliament... But dang, this year has been beyond any Congressional footage I've pushed through before.

Gotta add - 30+ years! Is neat-o, and I really appreciate your voice.

[BumRushDaShow]

31. My mom was a political science/history major so she was a CSPAN-junky

She would call and tell me to "Turn on CSPAN!".

When we first got cable in our area in Philly in 1989 and my mom got signed up, the first channel she put on was CNN (she was a Ted Turner follower) and the 2nd channel she turned on was CSPAN (and she taped a lot of panels and hearings and events from there too).

[Recursion]

4. They got every last Blue Dog other than Tulsi to speak

That was impressive.

[BumRushDaShow]

9. Rules Resolution H.R. 767 has now been adopted.

228 - 197.

[Mersky]

11. Nadler is now speaking at the lectern.

[BumRushDaShow]

14. Was glad to see him earlier this morning on the House floor

I know his wife had a medical emergency so he had been unable to participate in the final hearing by the Rules Committee.

[Mersky]

16. I was thinking about him and his family yesterday.

I certainly know how medical problems happen in families at the worst time, and tried to hold positive thoughts for them.

For him to be here today is a bit super human, and I am grateful for his presence.

[Mersky]

13. Sensestupid just woke up from his nap

To call the Dems the radical left. I say the republicans are out to go too far with their demonizing language today, and I seriously hope I’m wrong.

[Mersky]

18. Republicon not running for re-election

Was reading of his speech like an auctioneer selling off a lot of painted mules.

Just gotta get through the dirty work, and fast.

Was conaway (R-TX).

Eta: Painted mules were mules that were dyed to look healthier than they were. It was a scam during the Great Depression, and a phrase that’s still artful in older circles here in TX. I think it speaks to the truth of what the republicans are trying to do with their angles. Added this to avoid unintended offense.

[Mersky]

21. Joe Neguse (D-CO) is up

Speaking about tRump undermining our elections and covering-up his deeds through obstruction.

Was succinct and clear explanation of the gravity of tRump's charges for impeachment.

[Mersky]

22. Nadler asked how long each side has remaining

Majority has 156.75 mins (2.6 hours) remaining to the minority's 157 mins (~2.62 hours).

[BumRushDaShow]

23. As a note - all who have been speaking are members of the House Judiciary Committee

[Mersky]

26. Ah, okay, thanks for pointing that out!

[BumRushDaShow]

28. There are 41 of them on that committee!

And as a note - Ted Lieu had been absent for their final vote out of the Committee as he had a stent operation done (as I found out ). So it was great to see him give remarks earlier when they started the formal debate.

[Mersky]

30. Am glad he could be here.

I heard him earlier and he's always smart/reassuring.

Stents are amazing, and I hope he does as well as my father has after having one placed.

[onetexan]

35. Thanks so much for the updates

& great to hear Rep Lieu is well enough to attend. I bet nothing could keep him away. I've been so tense as of late over this whole impeachment thing going on so have been avoiding watching the news or MSNBC. I can only read about it once in a while. Otherwise it consumes my mind constantly.

[BumRushDaShow]

37. I was helping with the Intelligence and Judiciary Hearing Live threads

so I remember posting about every single one of these folks on Judiciary who are talking right now.



The danger is yet to come when it's time for the crazies like GYMSUIT JORDAN who was jammed onto that Committee.

I know this is a long haul today and needed to be in and out so could juggle a huge thread. They are all basically retiterating remarks they made in the hearings.

[onetexan]

40. Exactly, trying to distort & distract

Bless you for keeping us up to date.

[crickets]

25. Of course someone had to break out a red/blue electoral map.

I hate that map; it's so deliberately misleading.

[C_U_L8R]

27. That dude was quite a bonehead.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

29. The blue counties are the ones where most of the people are.

That map makes it look like the vast majority of the country is GOP, but a lot of those red counties are just about vacant. Adjust for population and you get something like this:

[crickets]

32. +1

[BumRushDaShow]

34. This map is what I yelled at the TV was needed to be shown for election REALITY

[Mersky]

42. Wanted to point out this other thread

Have had a couple interruptions myself, and might pick up over in the other thread when I can settle. Wasn't tryin to step on this thread, tho. Just want us all to come together.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212794437

[BumRushDaShow]

43. Thanks for that!

[Mersky]

44. You're welcome!

[onetexan]

36. Yes, but getting left leaning folks out to vote is the problem

Repubs vote for the most part. Dems dont consistently. Hopefully the gravity of the situation will bring apathetic voters to the polls next november.

[Mersky]

33. I need that adjusted for population map on a t-shirt.

[Mersky]

38. Fyi, Nolabear started a new official discussion thread

I'm up for a continuing group effort to give commentary. This thread is fairly developed already, so am not sure whether this should become the first discussion thread and the other the second?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212794437#post5

[miyazaki]

39. As usual, notice the disparity in racial/ethnic minorities bewteen the parties.

[Mersky]

41. Time remaining - D: 2hr 2 mins; R: 2hr 3 mins

Oof, how is collins not out of more time?