****Impeachment Thread. Because, damn...****

[nolabear]

I’ve been reading a bunch of threads but sure would like a group commentary. I can’t always be here so anyone who wants to try to start new ones please do.

I’m bloody exhausted. But...it’s happening!

[underpants]

1. DO WE HAVE TO POST IN ALL CAPS?!???

ala the guy who isn’t watching?

[Atticus]

4. uh, no. nt

[Atticus]

2. Thank you. I've been watching since the start and must say that I am very impressed---again---

by the obvious and thorough preparation of Rep. Nadler and his team. Nadler's brief comments between speakers are on point and well delivered. Collins' attempts at responding come off as whiny "Oh, yeah?"-style taunts.

[crickets]

3. Good idea - kicking

[Mersky]

5. Links to live streams

[Marthe48]

7. Thanks!

Once again, after I give repukes a chance to say something true, I mute.

[Mersky]

10. You're welcome!

I can't help but listen so I can spout back at their indecorous lying. However, the mute button will become necessary at points.

[Marthe48]

12. I get too angry

I'm at home alone and can curse at the tv to my heart's content, but I imagine my b/p goes up every time I hear a lie or a defnse or a denial.

I'm thinking of entering a large house plant I have as a repub. in the next election. It would do as well :/

[Mersky]

16. I use jokes and gratitude to my fellow righteous DUers to get through all this

As I don't know how I could otherwise process all of this and keep my health together without it.

Glad you're in here, and I'll filter their bs as I can, so mute away!

[Marthe48]

20. I love our blue line

The Democratic representatives are my heroes.

[nolabear]

8. Thank you so much!

[Mersky]

13. Happy to!

There's another discussion thread from earlier that has some back and forth. I'm glad you started another with a direct call for active commenting - I really enjoy a big collection of voices during these, as I can miss a lot.

Wanted to mention the other, so we can perhaps consolidate over time:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212793408

[Marthe48]

6. Thanks nolabear!

I was looking for an impeachment thread.

[nolabear]

9. I'm so tired of Collins' opening snark for each speaker.

Once this is over I hope to never hear his whinging again.

[New Breed Leader]

11. What is wrong with Republicans, seriously?

Why are they refusing to see Trump's crimes?

[nolabear]

14. They see. They are just betting on him.

Why wouldn’t they do everything they can to get that horse to come in first? Cheat? Sure. Lie? Why not? Bully? Well isn’t that how we get things?

[New Breed Leader]

116. That's awful. Just terrible, awful.

[hlthe2b]

15. I know it is historic, but how many hours left of these comments?

Hitting the mute button between every Democrat is getting tiresome.

[Mersky]

18. I think it's about 2 hours and a few mins each at this point

Someone will likely ask for a time update soon.

[nolabear]

19. Something like four hours and change.

They said two hours and something like twenty minutes each about a half hour ago.

[yellowdogintexas]

83. surely they are going to need to take a break at some point

unless they are doing what Wendy Davis did and wear a catheter.

[IcyPeas]

17. loudermilk takin' bout pontius pilate and jesus

[nolabear]

21. Well, might as well go full foaming at the mouth.

So, Salem Witch Trials, Pontius Pilate...strange bedfellows.

[Kali]

22. why do some go to the front and others stay by the committee leaders?

[yellowdogintexas]

43. Are there speakers from the general House as well as from the Judiciary Committee?

That might be the reason...

[Kali]

59. I can't quite figure it out.

[yellowdogintexas]

86. I think it is anyone who wants to speak.

It seems too many have spoken to just be the members of the two committees.

I have lost count though

[BKDem]

109. I think you're right.

We’re getting a rare look at some of dim bulbs the Republicans usually keep hidden.

[brooklynite]

23. Apparently, Salem Witch Trials weren't enough...

Link to tweet

[Marthe48]

91. educate yourself about the process

The investigation showed there was enough proof of wrong-doing to have an impeachment trial. You had a chance to present proof that trump had done no wrong. But no. He ordered people not to appear, he refused to send papers and other records, so if you don't feel he had rights, well, his fault. And you ignorant as**kissers backed him up, utterly willing to surrender your power to a treasonous criminal.

You are debating to vote to go forward with a trial, which as this point is a big fat fake, but that is another opportunity for trump to present his evidence. What part of that do you not get? And why did you even run for public office if you don't bother to read and understand the rule of law, the oath you took and other points germane to your elected position.

[uponit7771]

24. Sooooooo, Obama used the NSA to win the 2012 election ?!!? WTF Kinda flat earth shit is this?!

[Hermit-The-Prog]

25. I heard Collins (the auctioneer) and King (he's still there) and couldn't take it.

My tv was at risk.

Russiapublicans still have nothing but "process" and "Bidens", neither of which address the Articles.

[nolabear]

26. This is a naked power grab by the GOP. They're now accusing Dems of everything

from FDR to JFK to Johnson and ohhhh, they were too kind to impeach them! Ohhhhhhhh...

[nolabear]

27. Boy, when we win in 2020 the President is going to be put through hell.

They’re saying as much. We need to control the House and Senate, and the incoming had better be prepared and have absolutely everything in place.

[Mersky]

28. Time remaining - D: 2hr 2 mins; R: 2hr 3 mins

Gah, feels like the Rs should be nearly out of time.

[GaYellowDawg]

29. It's so distressing. So disgusting.

Every time one of these Republicans spews his/her bullshit, it gets worse and worse. When Trump was elected, I wouldn’t have thought that Republicans would engage in such a full-throated defense of him. Hearing Republican representative after Republican representative rise and lie to defend the worst, crookedest president in modern history is so demoralizing. They are so corrupt. It’s terrible to see, even when expected.

[nolabear]

30. Collins' book, The Clock and the Calendar, out in 3...2...1...

[Atticus]

32. Or, as Louie Gohmert would call it, "The Crock and the Collander". (After rinsing, cast aspersions

into the collander to drain)

[yellowdogintexas]

37. Ha LOL Casting asparagus

Louie's speciality

[Mersky]

39. Ha. Haha. Totally, complete with the aspersions.

[JHB]

44. "Your aparagus is limp and blighted"

How'dya like them aspersions?

[Atticus]

31. Hyperbole and sacrilege---the GOP has, so far, compared Trump to Christ and the impeachment

hearings to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.

[romana]

33. Disgusting GOP behavior

Shouting and ad hominem attacks on the Democrats. They have no way to defend Trump so they are going to tear down the process and their colleagues. They should be ashamed of themselves.

[Generic Other]

34. My mute button is gonna wear out my batteries

I can't listen to those traitors.

[yellowdogintexas]

35. Finally, Rep Al Green from Texas

He is a force of Nature.

[BumRushDaShow]

36. Al Green (D-TX) had that famous crying separated Central Am. child picture on a poster next to him

(and note that he has tried twice to introduce Articles of Impeachment)

[yellowdogintexas]

38. Yes, he was on top of that starting in Jan 2017 nt

[Mersky]

45. Stark image that said a lot

During his brief, but forceful speaking.

[superpatriotman]

40. presidents (according to the repukes) can kill, steal, rape -

at will, during election season apparently

[yellowdogintexas]

41. these SnacilbupeR jerks are so nasty

and the Democrats are so courteous and formal.


I have things to do and I can't get myself out of my chair. I want to sit here with my yarn and crochet hook and sip tea for the rest of the day.

Alas, I have cookies to bake and cake ingredients to buy, and a bank to visit.

I do not have cable so I am grateful for CSpan Radio.

God I hate Collins from Georgia

[Hermit-The-Prog]

42. same -stuff- from GOP; if you've heard 1 Russiapublican, you've heard 'em all

Process! Democrats are mean! Bidens!

Not one word from the GOP defending a president extorting, bribing, coercing foreign interference in our elections and then ordering subordinates to ignore lawful subpoenas.

[ChubbyStar]

46. The fucking idiot who called it draining the swath?

Swamp?

[helpisontheway]

47. How long can they drag this out? When will they vote?nt

[ChubbyStar]

48. Is the dude from Texas worried about his girlfriend in NY?

Coerced into an abortion? By whom?

[nolabear]

49. In about four hours.

[BumRushDaShow]

50. As a note - the rethug from PA - Lloyd Smucker (R-PA) got Parnas $$$$

[Kali]

51. SO. MANY. OLD. WHITE. MEN.

[Kaleva]

52. The Dead Dick Society.

[Kali]

55. AND NOW...

GOMER!!!

[nolabear]

53. Note the House is less than 1/4 full.

[Mersky]

58. Gocart knows how to clear a room.

[BumRushDaShow]

61. That is what normally happens during these types of debates

Just un-muted Loopy Gocart. Luckily caught it as Nadler dismissed him while Loopy was still yelling and whining about his being called out for spouting the Russian propaganda that Nadler accused him of spouting.

Each side creates a schedule for speakers and they show up around the time they are scheduled. Otherwise you often have everyone else in Committee meetings.

[nolabear]

63. Yes I knew they came and went. Didn't think about voting.

Wait...you mean something’s getting done?

[BumRushDaShow]

69. When the GOP is in charge

they head for the bars. When the Democrats are in charge, they head for the hearing rooms!

[Mersky]

54. Most frequent word of GOPer projection for the day:

Sham, followed by charade.

They are frauds giving over ever more power to an authoritarian level of presidential power. Is antithetical to the Constitution and they know it.

Is unfortunate that hurd used the other often used word: danger.

[meow2u3]

56. Loony Gohmert is up now

I muted my TV because I didn't want to hear the insanity.

[Arthur_Frain]

68. Yeah, but he is damned effective

He almost won. When he started blathering his Obama hatred I was within arms reach of the entertainment center, and I almost switched it off, and put on some Miles Davis, Milestones to soothed my soul. It’s pretty chapped just now, and I’ll get to the Milestones a little later in the day. I’m forcing myself to watch, I’m forcing myself to listen.

I don’t want to forget the liars faces. I want to know that my anger, which I go a long way to avoid sometimes, I’m pretty non confrontational, is justified and right.

It’s tough to listen to the sincerity they put into what I know are lies sometimes. But I have to.

[nolabear]

57. Lord, Gohmert. Hillary? It's Hillary's fault?

[mahatmakanejeeves]

60. CanDougCollinsgetfivegetfiveIseefivecanhegettententenwho'sgonnagotenIhavetenandfifteenthere'sfifteen

CanDougCollinsgetfivegetfiveIseefivecanhegettententenwho'sgonnagotenIhavetenandfifteenthere'sfifteenandtwentytwentyherecomestwentythankyousirdoIseemoremorenogoingoncegoingtwiceandSOLDAMERICAN

Link to tweet

[nolabear]

62. *snort!*

[BumRushDaShow]

67. That's perfect!

(even Raskin called him out on it last evening during the Rules Committee debate :rofl

[mahatmakanejeeves]

88. Billings, Montana, might not have been the cowboy hat capital of the world on that day, but

it was in the running.

Thanks.

[BumRushDaShow]

90. I saw a video of Billy Long (R-MO) doing what he was actually trained to do

[mahatmakanejeeves]

92. Bloomberg blocked it. NT

[BumRushDaShow]

93. I picked that because it was a shorter clip but here is PBS's version

[mahatmakanejeeves]

103. I remember that. Thanks. NT

[mahatmakanejeeves]

64. This video of Trump praising Pelosi is so great I can't stand it.

Kevin M. Kruse Retweeted

This video of Trump praising Pelosi and saying W Bush should've been impeached for lying is so great I can't stand it.

Link to tweet

.
.
.

Interesting. In 2008 Trump said Clinton should not have been impeached (“it was an unimportant thing”) but Bush should have.

Link to tweet

[nolabear]

65. Quite the case for diminished capacity too.

Striking, the difference.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

66. Trump confessed in the memo that he calls a transcript.

Every GOPer claiming "no evidence" or "no first-hand evidence" is a liar. Trump's confession of abuse of power is available to them all. This is sufficient, by itself, to support the first Article of Impeachment.

Trump ordered subordinates to ignore lawful subpoenas. Witnesses could invoke executive privilege during testimony and that could be litigated in court, but they cannot lawfully ignore a subpoena. This is sufficient to support the second Article of Impeachment.

Republicans are deliberately deceiving, a.k.a., lying.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

70. I call it the laying on of the stain.....

of impeachment. This fool deserves it laid on thick and indelible.......

Someone please do a cartoon of trump being painted with a huge impeachment brush and brown stain.....

Or, perhaps indigo stain for the "I"........

[BumRushDaShow]

71. Adam Schiff is now taking over the control of remaining time - giving an opening

[Hermit-The-Prog]

72. I was slow on the unmute, dammit

[nolabear]

75. Let's see how they treat him. I may have to restrain myself.

[Mersky]

78. Gave a powerful quote from Hamilton

I’d like to see that quote on a nice graphic layout next to Schiff speaking from the floor to mark the day.

[BumRushDaShow]

84. When he uttered the term "whirlwind" it made me thing of this

(of course the song referenced right before he wrote his pamphlet admitting to having had an affair when being threatened by his political foes)

[Mersky]

113. Cool, thanks!

I’ll be sure to soak that in later. For that matter, I need to see the production in its entirety very sooon.

[BumRushDaShow]

115. I was able to see it here in Philly in September

While the production was running here, the cast got to visit all the places where the people they are playing, used to work, live and eat.

[jalan48]

73. Does anyone know the approximate time for the vote to begin? Thanks in advance.

[nolabear]

76. Eight-ish EST.

[jalan48]

77. Thank you.

[Mersky]

74. Schiff is stepping in for Nadler. What a great team we have in there.

Thank you to Nadler for his tireless efforts.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

79. Schiff giving an excellent outline of this particular crime spree by Trump.

[Mersky]

82. Absolutely excellent. Is one of the sections I'll be sure to rewatch with my SO this evening.

[Mersky]

80. Schiff calling out the republicans for enabling this pResident

...”so long as it is in service of their party and their power”

[nolabear]

81. Jason Smith. Ew. He's clammy. And creepy.

[nolabear]

85. LOL "Can I have one minute?" in a completely different tone.

What terrible performers they are.

[BumRushDaShow]

89. Eric Swalwell up -

Schiff is doing this to handle members of the Intelligence Committee for speeches now...

[BumRushDaShow]

94. As a note - Schiff has been introducing the (D) Intelligence Committee members for remarks

(like Nadler controlled the time for his Judiciary Committee (D)s)

[BumRushDaShow]

95. John Lewis giving remarks

[hlthe2b]

96. Has Justin Amash spoken yet?

[BumRushDaShow]

98. One of the parties would have to yield him time

since Amash is an Independent. But since he has been supporting impeachment, then it would be up to either Nadler or Schiff to give him time (if he wishes to give public remarks) after all the scheduled (D)s have spoken. They all have the opportunity to enter written remarks into the record (they don't have to do it as a speech).

[BumRushDaShow]

101. YOU ASKED AND HE IS SPEAKNG NOW

(sorry for the all caps )

2 minutes given to him.

[Mersky]

110. "We have the sole power of impeachment" - Amash

[Kali]

97. John Lewis

[Kali]

99. Castro lays it out perfectly.

[Kali]

100. new thread time?

[BumRushDaShow]

104. You can go ahead and start one

(I have been in and out of the threads today )

[Kali]

106. I'm a slow sp[az but I can set it up

[BumRushDaShow]

102. Justin Amash given time by (D)s to speak

[nolabear]

105. Bodes well.

[nolabear]

107. Let's start a new thread. Excelsior!!

[samnsara]

108. i want Jim Lewis to rebut each Repug.. he will make them feel like shit and they will apologize for

...being asses....then go home and cry.

[nolabear]

111. New thread started.

[Kali]

112. 2nd thread

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212795504

[oasis]

117. "He Got Caught"

[nolabear]

118. Get 'em, Auntie Maxine!