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Christianity Today: "Trump should be removed from Office." (Original Post) triron Dec 2019 OP
Lol @ that photo. You're not scaring anyone with your "mad face", dickhead. John Fante Dec 2019 #1
Wow! That's a big deal! Happyhippychick Dec 2019 #2
That link isn't working for me, and I can't get there through google either. pnwmom Dec 2019 #3
Yea, it says the site is down. Maraya1969 Dec 2019 #4
Interesting that the editorial goes up and the site goes down. n/t pnwmom Dec 2019 #5
It may be that the site can't handle the traffic? Or something more sinister. octoberlib Dec 2019 #8
Ah, it was founded by Billy Graham. Wonder if Franklin had it taken down. octoberlib Dec 2019 #9
Crashing due to high traffic most likely. nt PunkinPi Dec 2019 #16
I just pulled it up. They showed some courage I guess but in ways the article was disappointing triron Dec 2019 #17
The site works for me, but I had to do something else on the computer for awhile for it to load. NBachers Dec 2019 #23
This is the biggest publication in the world for evangelical christianity. A big deal for Trump. octoberlib Dec 2019 #6
Just seems to be that editorial only via Google. Kittycow Dec 2019 #7
Why does hovering over or copying the link give: Disaffected Dec 2019 #10
That's the link generated when you post a link on Twitter. WhiskeyWulf Dec 2019 #20
OK, thanks, Disaffected Dec 2019 #22
Wow! This is huge mcar Dec 2019 #11
Axios has some quotes from the editorial octoberlib Dec 2019 #12
Thanks! n/t pnwmom Dec 2019 #13
Just Googled it, apparently the magazine circulation is only 130,000. CaptainTruth Dec 2019 #14
It just got amplified in the NYT. Mme. Defarge Dec 2019 #26
LOL, that magazine just became a socialist rag. Thomas Hurt Dec 2019 #15
I posted to Facebook since I know many red state evangelicals. Lonestarblue Dec 2019 #18
Thank you for posting this... Upthevibe Dec 2019 #19
He's got to be angriest president ever. rickyhall Dec 2019 #21
It Ain't Immoral If It's Only Oral! panfluteman Dec 2019 #24
That was a good read. nt UniteFightBack Dec 2019 #25
This Ms. Toad Dec 2019 #27
Remove the Chosen One? Blasphemous. dalton99a Dec 2019 #28
K&R...👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 spanone Dec 2019 #29
Here is a link to Christianlty Today website, the link to the editorial, and PufPuf23 Dec 2019 #30
Wow wow wow wow wow renate Dec 2019 #31
So needed right now! Thank you. 7wo7rees Dec 2019 #32

pnwmom

(109,000 posts)
3. That link isn't working for me, and I can't get there through google either.
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 06:57 PM
Dec 2019

Is anyone else able to view this or is their site shut down?

triron

(22,025 posts)
17. I just pulled it up. They showed some courage I guess but in ways the article was disappointing
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 08:11 PM
Dec 2019

Like their comparison of Trump's impeachment rationale with Bill Clinton's. That bordered on incredulous to me.

NBachers

(17,149 posts)
23. The site works for me, but I had to do something else on the computer for awhile for it to load.
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 10:21 PM
Dec 2019

I think this is an indication of all the bleevers flooding to the site.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
6. This is the biggest publication in the world for evangelical christianity. A big deal for Trump.
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 07:13 PM
Dec 2019

And Pence.

Kittycow

(2,396 posts)
7. Just seems to be that editorial only via Google.
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 07:14 PM
Dec 2019

At 3:13 PST. I hope they don't start issuing apologies

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
12. Axios has some quotes from the editorial
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 07:20 PM
Dec 2019

An editorial published Thursday by Christianity Today, a magazine founded by the late Rev. Billy Graham, called for President Trump's removal from office in the wake of his impeachment, deeming him "grossly immoral."

"We have reserved judgment on Mr. Trump for years now. Some have criticized us for our reserve. But when it comes to condemning the behavior of another, patient charity must come first. ... To use an old cliché, it’s time to call a spade a spade, to say that no matter how many hands we win in this political poker game, we are playing with a stacked deck of gross immorality and ethical incompetence."

Why it matters: Christianity Today is an influential mainstream magazine for evangelicals, with 4.3 million monthly visitors on its site and hundreds of thousands of print subscribers. President Trump won 81% of the evangelical vote in 2016, a group that makes up about 25% of the electorate, according to the Pew Research CenteHighlights: The editorial calls Christianity Today's stance a moral choice — similar to how the magazine reacted when former President Bill Clinton was impeached.

"[T]he facts in this instance are unambiguous: The president of the United States attempted to use his political power to coerce a foreign leader to harass and discredit one of the president’s political opponents. That is not only a violation of the Constitution; more importantly, it is profoundly immoral."

"Trump’s evangelical supporters have pointed to his Supreme Court nominees, his defense of religious liberty, and his stewardship of the economy, among other things, as achievements that justify their support of the president. ... None of the president’s positives can balance the moral and political danger we face under a leader of such grossly immoral character."

https://www.axios.com/christianity-today-evangelicals-supports-impeachment-92956ccb-241c-48d7-bad3-d3e4ddd2d64d.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=1100

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
15. LOL, that magazine just became a socialist rag.
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 07:45 PM
Dec 2019

Disavowed by the christian hypocrites and idolators in an instant.

Upthevibe

(8,080 posts)
19. Thank you for posting this...
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 08:52 PM
Dec 2019

I read it on another site and was hoping that it'd be somewhere here.

I think this could be a bid deal....

What a disgrace Franklin Graham is (I think I read his father helped to start this publication).

rickyhall

(4,889 posts)
21. He's got to be angriest president ever.
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 09:03 PM
Dec 2019

I saw (on tv) both Bushes kind of angry but cool about. Same for the Clintons. But dump looks like his head's fixin' to blow like Scanners.

panfluteman

(2,070 posts)
24. It Ain't Immoral If It's Only Oral!
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 12:36 AM
Dec 2019

That was my big takeaway from the Monica Lewinsky scandal and Clinton's impeachment. But ahh, I was much younger then, and much more lighthearted, too. But comparing Trump to Clinton is drawing false equivalencies, and comparing apples to oranges. Bill Clinton managed to do a very good job of running the country even while he was embroiled in the Monica Lewinsky scandal and the impeachment process that followed it. That's my position - the president was elected to run the country, and whatever else he does in his private life is his own business - and no one else's.

Ms. Toad

(34,114 posts)
27. This
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 01:12 AM
Dec 2019
None of the president’s positives can balance the moral and political danger we face under a leader of such grossly immoral character.


(Not that i believe he has any positives . . . but I certainly agree with their characterization of his character.)

PufPuf23

(8,842 posts)
30. Here is a link to Christianlty Today website, the link to the editorial, and
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 01:54 AM
Dec 2019

the Wikipedia Christianity Today link.

https://www.christianitytoday.com/

https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2019/december-web-only/trump-should-be-removed-from-office.html

Trump Should Be Removed from Office

It’s time to say what we said 20 years ago when a president’s character was revealed for what it was.

Mark Galli


In our founding documents, Billy Graham explains that Christianity Today will help evangelical Christians interpret the news in a manner that reflects their faith. The impeachment of Donald Trump is a significant event in the story of our republic. It requires comment.

The typical CT approach is to stay above the fray and allow Christians with different political convictions to make their arguments in the public square, to encourage all to pursue justice according to their convictions and treat their political opposition as charitably as possible. We want CT to be a place that welcomes Christians from across the political spectrum, and reminds everyone that politics is not the end and purpose of our being. We take pride in the fact, for instance, that politics does not dominate our homepage.

That said, we do feel it necessary from time to time to make our own opinions on political matters clear—always, as Graham encouraged us, doing so with both conviction and love. We love and pray for our president, as we love and pray for leaders (as well as ordinary citizens) on both sides of the political aisle.

Let’s grant this to the president: The Democrats have had it out for him from day one, and therefore nearly everything they do is under a cloud of partisan suspicion. This has led many to suspect not only motives but facts in these recent impeachment hearings. And, no, Mr. Trump did not have a serious opportunity to offer his side of the story in the House hearings on impeachment.

More at link.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_Today

renate

(13,776 posts)
31. Wow wow wow wow wow
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 01:55 AM
Dec 2019

I bet most evangelical pastors subscribe even if not all their church members do.

I loved the part asking the readers how they can witness for their faith while defending a person like Trump (or words to that effect). That, in a nutshell, is what I’ve wondered about evangelicals all along.

7wo7rees

(5,128 posts)
32. So needed right now! Thank you.
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 07:16 AM
Dec 2019

7wo7rees parents are on way from NC to Dallas for Christmas. They are staunch, old school Republicans that have lost their way (FoxNews). Also very Christian.

I sent the link to his Mom tonight. I hope it registers before they get here. We've been stewing for days on how this visit was going to go. This essay gives us all we need to survive.

There is much fault to be found in much of it, but many gems are there to use!

Peace and Happy Holidays to everyone....

Ms. 7wo7rees

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