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Sat Dec 21, 2019, 01:45 PM

Hot Water

 “George Washington is said to have told Jefferson that the framers had created the Senate to "cool" House legislation just as a saucer was used to cool hot tea. “
https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/minute/Senate_Created.htm


Many of us are happy, because daylight will begin to be longer now. However, for Donald Trump, the concept of the beginning of “longer days” has a very different meaning. His presidency has been stained in 2019 by impeachment, thus insuring that he belongs to an exclusive club in our nation's history.

Before we consider what 2020 holds for Trump, it may be useful to put this into context. The 2008 presidential election was fast approaching. Since 1988, when he wrote to Bush the Elder saying he would be willing to serve as his vice president, Trump was intent upon entering national politics. In 1998, he responded to an interviewer on national television, saying John McCain was “no hero,” because “he got caught.” In 2000, he filed to be considered as a candidate in the Reform Party. By 2008, as a member of the republican party, he resented McCain being the nomine

Now, let's take a brief look back at a conversation Donald had with CNN's Wolf Blitzer in October of 2008. Speaking of Speaker Nancy Pelosi, he said, “I was surprised that she didn't do more in terms of Bush and going after Bush. Which personally I( think would have been a wonderful thing.”

“To impeach him?” asked Wolf.

“”For the war,” Trump responded. “For the war! Well, he lied. He got us into the war with lies!”

Perhaps Trump should have listened to his mother when she said, “Be careful what you wish for.” Maybe he assumed she was speaking about her marriage. But now, as forum member dlk noted, he has the entire holiday season to stew over the situation he is currently in.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=12806049

Trump's future depends upon Mitch McConnell and Senate republicans. Many people are worried that Mitch's public statements about aborting the impeachment trial as quickly as possible are an accurate preview of process. And they may be right.

In a discussion here yesterday, regarding why – if Senator Schumer expects at least four republicans to join Democrats in calling for witnesses to testify – things are not moving ahead quickly? That's a good question, a valid question, one that admittedly calls for speculation no matter how one answers it. Thus, my opinion is exactly that – mere speculation – and thus of no more value than anyone else's.

The House impeachment hearings were the hot cup of tea that Washington spoke of. From my admittedly non-objective point of view, the republicans put on an emotional shit-show, and avoided dealing with facts. For rage is their language, and hostility drips from every republican's tongue. No one in the Senate wants a repeat of that in the trial. A quick move to end the trial would avoid that, at least in theory, and is surely one thing McConnell is considering.

But it isn't the only thing. For doing that would create an environment where the Democratic Party would be energized in the 2020 elections, and no intelligent politician purposely motivates the opposition before elections. Especially not one concerned about elections that could remove him from his comfortable and coveted leadership position. More, those republican Senators at risk in November of 2020 – likely among those that Schumer is in communications with – most likely want to have more discussions with the other republicans about how to proceed.

Despite the nonsense we hear publicly from McConnell, which is clearly directed to an audience of one enraged fellow, it is safe to assume that some degree of negotiating is going on in DC. The noise we hear on the surface hides what is going on outside of public view. And that includes between both parties in the Senate, within each party, and definitely between our House and Senate leadership, and their legal team.

While McConnell certainly prefers a shorter trial for obvious reasons, and may actually bring it to a premature end, it is also possible that he will negotiate with his party members and Democrats, and that we will hear from at least John Bolton in the trial. The best thing we can do at this point is to exercise our Amendment 1 rights, by contacting Senators from both parties, and insisting upon a fair trial.

Peace,
H2O Man

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H2O Man Dec 2019 OP
pwb Dec 2019 #1
H2O Man Dec 2019 #5
Me. Dec 2019 #2
H2O Man Dec 2019 #6
lunatica Dec 2019 #3
H2O Man Dec 2019 #7
Hekate Dec 2019 #11
coeur_de_lion Dec 2019 #12
malaise Dec 2019 #4
H2O Man Dec 2019 #8
malaise Dec 2019 #9
H2O Man Dec 2019 #10
coeur_de_lion Dec 2019 #13

Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sat Dec 21, 2019, 02:15 PM

1. His resignation would be very relaxing for his Republican comrades.

So he won't do it. It is going to be a very bad year for republicans. Every few weeks things will be released from Muller's investigation that most Americans don't know. Other Trump crimes will all come out making the republicans who voted against impeachment look very very unpatriotic. In my view Democrats are playing this just right. And the republicans deserve every bit of whats coming.

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Response to pwb (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 21, 2019, 05:17 PM

5. I agree.

There is more corruption, much more. It includes others in the administration, as well as several in Congress. And the republican party owns it.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sat Dec 21, 2019, 02:26 PM

2. KR

Good back scene figuring

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Response to Me. (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 21, 2019, 05:19 PM

6. Thank you!

McConnell's public babble is to be expected. I he's talking to Trump's legal team, because they need to keep him from freaking in public.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sat Dec 21, 2019, 02:37 PM

3. 2020 promises to be a spectacular year of upheaval and turmoil.

In both parties, in our elections and in the life and death struggle for our future from all sides.

Fasten you’re seat belts America! We’re in for a skidding, slipping and sliding, very bumpy ride!

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Response to lunatica (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 21, 2019, 05:24 PM

7. Yep!

2020 will be the strangest year since at least 1968. Very possibly it will eclipse '68 in some ways. I'm confident that starting on election day, things will begin to improve significantly.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 21, 2019, 11:07 PM

11. If the mad king is still in office, I fear the months between voting day and inauguration day...

...as a time of great peril for us. He really is crazy and vengeful.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #11)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 06:38 PM

12. I'm with you.

A good friend of mine said the best thing for the country would be if he dies in his sleep.

I don't care how we get rid of him -- we need to in order to achieve peace in this country.

Ballot box or impeachment, the nutjob needs to be gone.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sat Dec 21, 2019, 02:49 PM

4. K & R

I am not ruling out a Con resignation

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Response to malaise (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 21, 2019, 05:26 PM

8. That's a possibility.

As we've noted previously, he may decide he wants to spend more time with Ivanka.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 21, 2019, 05:37 PM

9. I laughed so loud the kitty took off running

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Response to malaise (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 21, 2019, 06:11 PM

10. This is good.

Laughter is necessary in times like these.

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Response to malaise (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 23, 2019, 06:39 PM

13. If it gets embarrassing enough

he will resign. Let's see how can we make that happen?

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